Hi Branden, and other fellow Debianites,
Quoting G. Branden Robinson (2024-09-07 05:47:17)
On a less sarcastic note, I am taken aback by the fact that this
project can have a ~100 message thread proposing a DEP
"Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages"
without either the proponents or the detractors finding the blatant
thumb on the scale in the proposal's very _title_ a cause for
embarrassment.
Thank you for rehashing(!) this point, in your famously sharp tongue.
In case you really didn't notice the previous objections to the title,
and to others that might have missed it, here are some quotes:
Quoting Jonas Smedegaard (2024-07-28 01:48:10)
Sorry, but I disagree that the only true collaboration is Salsa-rich collaboration.
Quoting Shengjing Zhu (2024-08-03 08:43:14)
I also feel uncomfortable with this proposal that pushes the use of
Gitlab in the name of true collaboration.
Quoting Simon Richter (@sjr) (2024-08-04 07:14:07)
Simon Richter started a new discussion on web/deps/dep18.mdwn: https://salsa.debian.org/dep-team/deps/-/merge_requests/8#note_512536
[...]
"true open source" is marketing drivel (as is most of this document).
Please educate yourself on the political aspects of the free software movement, and why the term "open source" has a negative connotation
for many. You might also understand why building on top of an overly
complex framework that requires non-transferable knowledge to operate
is not seen as desirable for many.
Quoting Louis-Philippe Véronneau (@pollo) (2024-08-11 15:15:45)
Louis-Philippe Véronneau commented on a discussion on
web/deps/dep18.mdwn: https://salsa.debian.org/dep-team/deps/-/merge_requests/8#note_514421
[...]
I'd propose to remove `which severely stifles the true open source
process from progressing` from that sentence. IMO it doesn't make the
point clearer and brings in additional controversy to this DEP.
Quoting Simon Richter (@sjr) (2024-08-08 05:05:56)
Simon Richter commented on a discussion on web/deps/dep18.mdwn: https://salsa.debian.org/dep-team/deps/-/merge_requests/8#note_513638
[...]
The argument against this DEP is that it doesn't take a step closer to collaboration, it just claims that what we had before was not
collaboration. Which is frankly offensive to people collaborating long
before git was introduced.
Quoting Jonas Smedegaard (2024-08-28 12:43:08)
Quoting Guido Günther (@agx) (2024-08-28 11:51:44)
Guido Günther commented on a discussion on web/deps/dep18.mdwn:
https://salsa.debian.org/dep-team/deps/-/merge_requests/8#note_520426
[...]
Or maybe put on the tin what's inside:
"Encourage Continuous Integration and Merge Request based
Collaboration for Debian packages"
I like this suggestion a lot: I find it quite distracting that the
title implies other workflows to be "untrue", and this avoids such distraction.
Yeah, the second half of the above quotes are arguably not from *this*
thread, as they appeared in the tightly related discussion spawned on
Salsa. I I included them here out of respect for those considering the
Salsa tooling more "true" than other collaboration, including this dusty
old email conversation (who uses email nowadays anyway, right? Please
stop using email: It is a dinosaur tool doscouraging new developers, so
is slowly killing Debian!).
- Jonas
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