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  • Re: Proposal for a Yearly Stable Release Cycle for Educational Institut

    From Andrey Rakhmatullin@21:1/5 to Sarbjit Singh Sandhu on Tue Mar 4 10:10:01 2025
    On Tue, Mar 04, 2025 at 02:12:05PM +0530, Sarbjit Singh Sandhu wrote:
    Dear Debian Developers,

    I am writing to propose the creation of a new Debian branch that offers a >stable release every year, as opposed to the current 5-year cycle. This
    would be particularly beneficial for educational institutions, where a >balance between stability and up-to-date software is crucial.

    A yearly stable release would allow schools to benefit from the latest >software and security updates without the long wait between releases. This >would also make it easier for schools to plan their IT infrastructure and >ensure that students have access to the latest tools and technologies.

    I believe this could be achieved by creating a new branch that is based on >Debian Stable but receives more frequent updates, similar to how Ubuntu LTS >works but with a shorter cycle.

    Thank you for considering this proposal. I look forward to your feedback
    and discussion on this matter.

    Unfortunately, while proposing is cheap, actually *doing* this is somewhat harder. So unless you, and a suitable number of other people, are ready to work on this, this won't happen.
    (I'm intentionally not discussing the actual details, they never matter at this stage)


    --
    WBR, wRAR

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  • From Henrik Ahlgren@21:1/5 to Andrey Rakhmatullin on Tue Mar 4 10:20:01 2025
    Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> writes:

    Unfortunately, while proposing is cheap, actually *doing* this
    is somewhat harder. So unless you, and a suitable number of
    other people, are ready to work on this, this won't happen.

    A more realistic goal might be to increase the number of packages
    in the backports repository. Regardless, I'm thrilled to witness
    such enthusiasm for Debian from 10th-grade students. The project
    greatly needs engagement from the next generation!

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  • From Stephan =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Verb=FCcheln@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 4 10:40:01 2025
    In my opinion, the better solution would be to have more backports in
    the stable release because people are mostly unhappy with outdated apps
    and not with outdated essential core components.

    This would probably not even require a policy change in Debian. But it
    requires a lot of people with a lot of free time willing to do a lot of
    work.

    Firefox and Chromium show that this can be a lot of pain.

    Regards
    Stephan

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  • From PICCA Frederic-Emmanuel@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 5 08:50:01 2025
    In my opinion, the better solution would be to have more backports in
    the stable release because people are mostly unhappy with outdated apps
    and not with outdated essential core components.

    What about the project to automatically build backports around janitor ?

    What is the status of this service ?

    Fred

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  • From Gard Spreemann@21:1/5 to Sarbjit Singh Sandhu on Wed Mar 5 09:20:01 2025
    Sarbjit Singh Sandhu <sarbjitsinghsandhu509@gmail.com> writes:

    I am writing to propose the creation of a new Debian branch that
    offers a stable release every year, as opposed to the current 5-year
    cycle.

    It's really great to see young people interested in Debian. I do need to
    point out that the current cycle has been approximately 2 years long for
    quite a while, not 5.


    Best,
    Gard

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  • From Stephan =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Verb=FCcheln@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 5 11:50:01 2025
    Am Mittwoch, dem 05.03.2025 um 09:14 +0100 schrieb Gard Spreemann:
    I do need to point out that the current cycle has been approximately
    2 years long for quite a while, not 5.

    That is technically correct, but the freeze period is quite long as
    well. As a result, the software is significantly older.

    For example, the Bookworm freeze started in January 2023, so the
    desktop apps are based on the Gnome release of September 2022. When
    Trixie will be released, the apps in Bookworm will be almost three
    years old. This is where average users feel the age.

    Ubuntu schedules its LTS release always for April (normal releases
    October), because Gnome is always releasing in March and September. So
    for Ubuntu LTS users, the age of desktop apps is up to two years.

    Fortunately, the Debian Gnome team has already included the current
    release candidate (scheduled for March 19, 2025) for Trixie.

    Regards

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  • From Jeremy Stanley@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 5 15:40:02 2025
    On 2025-03-05 10:40:38 +0000 (+0000), Stephan Verbücheln wrote:
    [...]
    Ubuntu schedules its LTS release always for April (normal releases
    October), because Gnome is always releasing in March and September. So
    for Ubuntu LTS users, the age of desktop apps is up to two years.
    [...]

    Not really. The LTS releases are in April of even-numbered years.
    The April releases in odd-numbered years are short-term support just
    like October releases.

    There's also a several-month freeze after taking a snapshot of
    packages from sid before the release occurs, so when an Ubuntu LTS
    release happens the contemporary age of packages in the prior LTS is
    well over two years by then.
    --
    Jeremy Stanley

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  • From Stephan =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Verb=FCcheln@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 5 16:00:01 2025
    Am Mittwoch, dem 05.03.2025 um 14:38 +0000 schrieb Jeremy Stanley:
    There's also a several-month freeze after taking a snapshot of
    packages from sid before the release occurs, so when an Ubuntu LTS
    release happens the contemporary age of packages in the prior LTS is
    well over two years by then.

    No. In Ubuntu's freeze, they already include the beta/rc of the
    upcoming Gnome, regardless of what is in Sid.

    For example, Ubuntu 24.04 has Gnome 46, which was released in March
    2024.

    There have been few exceptions in the past when they did not want to
    introduce too big changes in LTS, e.g. Wayland/Unity related stuff.

    Regards

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  • From Andrey Rakhmatullin@21:1/5 to Sarbjit Singh Sandhu on Wed Mar 26 09:30:01 2025
    On Wed, Mar 26, 2025 at 12:26:42PM +0530, Sarbjit Singh Sandhu wrote:
    Thanks for your suggestion I liked that but can you please help me that how >to use and install debian on approx 20 computers of my schools with the kde >plasma desktop and how to update them every 2 years and also making it user >friendly for the people who are going to use them

    debian-devel@ is a wrong place to ask user questions. The right one is debian-user@.

    --
    WBR, wRAR

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