Copy: rodarima@gmail.com (Rodrigo Arias)
Copy: abe@debian.org (Axel Beckert)

Rodrigo,

It looks like dillo is maintained by Axel Beckert <abe@debian.org>.

https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/dillo

He would be the first person you should probably ask about updating
the package.

On Friday, April 4, 2025 2:33:22 PM Mountain Standard Time Rodrigo
Arias wrote:

Hi,

I'm trying again to reach debian-devel, this time by subscribing
first to the list. I have also contacted your #debian-lists IRC
channel for more information on what happened, but I didn't got any
reply.

I'll write a slightly shorter email here, the full email is
forwarded below (some typos corrected about dates).

The version of the Dillo web browser that you currently distribute
with Debian (3.0.5) is 10 years old. Since that version, a lot of
changes were done by the original developers, but they never got
into a release before the project was abandoned around 2017 (last
email from Jorge was from 2019). Among those changes was the
support for floats or the switch to mbedTLS instead of OpenSSL.

The 3.0.5 version has several issues on the network side, as it is
unable to properly handle TLS alerts. On the rendering side, there
are problems with floats, image ratios and with the lack of CSS
units among others.

In 2024 I decided to resurrect the project and fix those and many
other problems. You can try by yourself and see the difference on
the sites side by side. Here is the new website and changelog:

https://dillo-browser.github.io/

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/dillo-browser/dillo/refs/heads/ma ster/ChangeLog

Our latest release 3.2.0 fixes A LOT of problems in the rendering
side and introduces new features like SVG support for Wikipedia
math equations. It also includes the unreleased changes from the
original developers. I presented some features and the overall
state at FOSDEM this year:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFJp8JDg8Yg

Dillo is designed to run on very old computers and/or low power
devices like Raspberry Pi. Given that newcomers to Linux often
begin with Debian based distros, it is unlikely that they know how
to build an updated Dillo browser from source, so I'm interested in distributing already built binaries.

Do you have any interest in updating Dillo in the Debian repository,
or should I invest my time in finding other ways to distribute a
binary package to users?

Thanks,
Rodrigo.

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Soren Stoutner
soren@debian.org

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Copy: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
Copy: abe@debian.org (Axel Beckert)

On Friday, April 4, 2025 3:50:13 PM Mountain Standard Time Rodrigo
Arias wrote:

On Fri, Apr 04, 2025 at 03:26:14PM -0700, Soren Stoutner wrote:

Rodrigo,

It looks like dillo is maintained by Axel Beckert <abe@debian.org>.

https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/dillo

He would be the first person you should probably ask about updating
the package.

TL;DR:

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1022726

https://chaos.social/@xtaran/112905124915743612

If you have already made an effort to contact the maintainer without satisfaction, then what you are really looking for is someone to
salvage the package.

https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/ pkgs.en.html#package-salvaging

debian-devel isn’t the best place to make a package salvaging request. Realistically, if you really care about the package, your best option
is probably to become the maintainer of the package yourself.

If you have any interest, I would recommend you read:

https://mentors.debian.net/intro-maintainers/

Questions about how to package should be directed to debian- mentors@lists.debian.org.

--
Soren Stoutner
soren@debian.org
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Copy: abe@debian.org (Axel Beckert)
Copy: rodarima@gmail.com (Rodrigo Arias)

On Friday, April 4, 2025 4:14:23 PM Mountain Standard Time Rodrigo
Arias wrote:

I was under the assumption that the Debian Developers were the only
group suitable to perform the update. If this is not the case, I can
ask around in case someone is interested in helping with the
salvage process.

I suggest you read over the salvaging criteria I linked to earlier.

Note that salvaging a package is not a fast process and the current
maintainer has plenty of opportunities to stop it by committing to
actively maintain it themselves.

Smaller problems can be handled by an NMU (Non-Maintainer Upload).
Indeed, the last upload of dillo was an NMU. However, switching the
upstream of a package is beyond the scope of something that an NMU
normally handles.

Any Debian Contributor or Debian Maintainer can salvage a package.
They do need a Debian Developer to sponsor the upload.

https://mentors.debian.net/sponsors/

--
Soren Stoutner
soren@debian.org
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On Fri, 04 Apr 2025 16:24:28 -0700, Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org>
wrote:

On Friday, April 4, 2025 4:14:23?PM Mountain Standard Time Rodrigo
Arias wrote:

I was under the assumption that the Debian Developers were the only
group suitable to perform the update. If this is not the case, I can
ask around in case someone is interested in helping with the
salvage process.

I suggest you read over the salvaging criteria I linked to earlier.

Note that salvaging a package is not a fast process and the current >maintainer has plenty of opportunities to stop it by committing to
actively maintain it themselves.

Also, please note that Debian is going to freeze for the next stable
release in ten days. It is unlikely that the new Dillo package will be
in that release.

Greetings
Marc
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