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  • Formal warning for conduct on Debian mailing lists

    From Andrew M.A. Cater@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 5 18:10:01 2025
    Dear Branden,

    The Debian Code of Conduct[1] (and the mailing list Code of Conduct[2]) can
    be boiled down to two sentences in simple English:
    Assume good faith.
    Treat others with respect, both within and outside Debian.


    You seem to be complaining about the conduct of the Community Team with
    almost every email. Each of the three members of the team has written separately to you here in the threads on debian-devel or on the
    debian-private mailing list. The content of the one (private) email written directly to you by the Community Team has previously been quoted by you to
    the lists.

    The first few lines in your response to that initial mail from the Community Team were that you would go quiet on the lists - I understood you to have meant that in good faith. Instead, you have escalated the tone of your responses in
    debian-private, here in debian-devel, and in your questions to prospective
    DPLs on debian-vote.

    You have taken it upon yourself to tell the Project and the team how
    Community Team business should be run, not once but several times and at
    great length. You have expressly treated this like a debate.
    Robert's Rules of Order aren't appropriate here.

    Assuming good faith is very much on point: you have chosen to use personal attacks on style as veiled attacks on the character of the members of the Community Team. You have chosen to mischaracterise replies written in good faith as attacks on you. Stop this, please.

    As a former DPL, and as someone who was very much around when the Code of Conduct was introduced, the way the Community Team works should not be a surprise to you. The common expectations of proper behaviour from every
    Debian developer should not come as a shock nor should you feel that you
    have been unduly singled out to be reminded.

    This is an explicit reminder to you that the mailing list Code of Conduct [2] applies in each Debian mailing list.
    This is a formal warning to you that we believe your conduct on the Debian mailing lists appears to be in breach of the main Debian Code of Conduct [1]. This warning (and the tone of any subsequent emails from you) may be shared with the listmasters. They may consider suspending you from Debian lists in
    due course if this conduct continues.

    [1]: https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct
    [2]: https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct

    For the Community Team,

    Andrew Cater
    (amacater@debian.org)

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  • From Salvo Tomaselli@21:1/5 to Andrew M.A. Cater on Sat Apr 5 18:41:01 2025
    Copy: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
    Copy: community@debian.org

    I'd surely feel more confident about this if there was a signature.
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  • From Andrew M.A. Cater@21:1/5 to Andrew M.A. Cater on Tue Apr 8 22:50:01 2025
    [Forwarded copy of original email: signed for authentication]

    On Sat, Apr 05, 2025 at 04:06:17PM +0000, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:

    Dear Branden,

    The Debian Code of Conduct[1] (and the mailing list Code of Conduct[2]) can be boiled down to two sentences in simple English:
    Assume good faith.
    Treat others with respect, both within and outside Debian.


    You seem to be complaining about the conduct of the Community Team with almost every email. Each of the three members of the team has written separately to you here in the threads on debian-devel or on the debian-private mailing list. The content of the one (private) email written directly to you by the Community Team has previously been quoted by you to the lists.

    The first few lines in your response to that initial mail from the Community Team were that you would go quiet on the lists - I understood you to have meant that in good faith. Instead, you have escalated the tone of your responses in
    debian-private, here in debian-devel, and in your questions to prospective DPLs on debian-vote.

    You have taken it upon yourself to tell the Project and the team how Community Team business should be run, not once but several times and at great length. You have expressly treated this like a debate.
    Robert's Rules of Order aren't appropriate here.

    Assuming good faith is very much on point: you have chosen to use personal attacks on style as veiled attacks on the character of the members of the Community Team. You have chosen to mischaracterise replies written in good faith as attacks on you. Stop this, please.

    As a former DPL, and as someone who was very much around when the Code of Conduct was introduced, the way the Community Team works should not be a surprise to you. The common expectations of proper behaviour from every Debian developer should not come as a shock nor should you feel that you
    have been unduly singled out to be reminded.

    This is an explicit reminder to you that the mailing list Code of Conduct [2] applies in each Debian mailing list.
    This is a formal warning to you that we believe your conduct on the Debian mailing lists appears to be in breach of the main Debian Code of Conduct [1].
    This warning (and the tone of any subsequent emails from you) may be shared with the listmasters. They may consider suspending you from Debian lists in due course if this conduct continues.

    [1]: https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct
    [2]: https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct

    For the Community Team,

    Andrew Cater
    (amacater@debian.org)

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