Hi Andreas,

According to constitution A.1.6, would you mind helping us extend
the discussion period by a week?
https://www.debian.org/devel/constitution

From the feedbacks I've heard, there are a couple of problems we are

facing currently.

* Myself being confident in proposal A is one thing. But the audience
of this GR needs more information in order to make a well-thought
vote, while I'm suffering from low bandwidth in recent weeks.

* People holding different opinions have really short time to prepare
a formal polished proposal.

Maybe those factors indicate this is not the best time to vote.
I'm considering whether I should withdraw the proposal, collect more information to fill up the overlooked aspects, further polish the
proposal A, and come back when it is ready. Doing so also allows
enough time for proposal B,C,D... since people know that I'm really
pushing this forward now.


On Mon, 2025-05-05 at 16:09 -0400, Jeremy Bícha wrote:

On Mon, May 5, 2025 at 2:49 PM Mo Zhou <lumin@debian.org> wrote:

On 5/5/25 11:44, Andrey Rakhmatullin wrote:

It is too rush to start to vote for this within 3 weeks

Does this maybe sound like the GR call was premature?
The project consensus, especially after https://www.debian.org/vote/2021/vote_003, seems to say that we don't want multi-month GR discussions.

Not quite. Proposal A is mature and I'm confident in it.
Potential proposal B,C,D,... are premature.
I have no intention to let people holding different opinions
to have a very short time to prepare a formal proposal B,C,D.

But, the whole series of discussions started 7 years ago.
And I have already mailed everywhere about my intention
to submit the GR. If there is no proposal B, that could mean
it is really difficult to formally write a proposal B.

I lean towards going ahead.

I don't believe we have enough information to do the GR now (or one
week from today, the longest we can delay). I am unclear on whether
existing packages in Debian are affected. Your proposal does not
indicate whether the GR would be effective immediately.

My suggestion is for you to ask the DPL to extend the discussion
period by a week (for constitutional reasons) followed by an immediate withdrawal of the GR. Withdrawing the GR allows you to resubmit later
and wait 2-3 weeks from that point.

Thank you,
Jeremy Bícha

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Hi Mo,

Am Mon, May 05, 2025 at 06:24:32PM -0400 schrieb M. Zhou:

Hi Andreas,

According to constitution A.1.6, would you mind helping us extend
the discussion period by a week?
https://www.debian.org/devel/constitution

I hereby extend the discussion period by a week.

I admit that I consider this one of the most complex problems I've
encountered during my time in Debian, and I hope the additional week
will be sufficient. In any case, thanks to Mo for initiating the
discussion and to everyone who contributed constructively.

Kind regards
Andreas.

From the feedbacks I've heard, there are a couple of problems we are

facing currently.

* Myself being confident in proposal A is one thing. But the audience
of this GR needs more information in order to make a well-thought
vote, while I'm suffering from low bandwidth in recent weeks.

* People holding different opinions have really short time to prepare
a formal polished proposal.

Maybe those factors indicate this is not the best time to vote.
I'm considering whether I should withdraw the proposal, collect more information to fill up the overlooked aspects, further polish the
proposal A, and come back when it is ready. Doing so also allows
enough time for proposal B,C,D... since people know that I'm really
pushing this forward now.

...

I don't believe we have enough information to do the GR now (or one
week from today, the longest we can delay). I am unclear on whether existing packages in Debian are affected. Your proposal does not
indicate whether the GR would be effective immediately.

My suggestion is for you to ask the DPL to extend the discussion
period by a week (for constitutional reasons) followed by an immediate withdrawal of the GR. Withdrawing the GR allows you to resubmit later
and wait 2-3 weeks from that point.

Thank you,
Jeremy Bícha

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