Roland Mas <lolando@debian.org> writes:

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Roland Mas <lolando@debian.org>
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* Package name : gwh
Version : 0.6.14
Upstream Contact: Roland Mas
* URL : https://salsa.debian.org/lolando/gwh
* License : GPL-3+
Programming Lang: bash
Description : git-buildpackage workflow helper

This is a wrapper script around git-buildpackage

so you have gwh, calling gbp, calling sbuild?, calling dpkg-buildpackage?, calling debian/rules, calling dh, calling dh_auto_build?, calling upstream's build system (which may itself often include layers)

i know some of these do add new features, but at some point isnt there enough wrapping?

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On Mon, May 19, 2025 at 05:50:08PM +0100, Richard Lewis wrote:

This is a wrapper script around git-buildpackage

so you have gwh, calling gbp, calling sbuild?, calling dpkg-buildpackage?, calling debian/rules, calling dh, calling dh_auto_build?, calling upstream's build system (which may itself often include layers)

i know some of these do add new features, but at some point isnt there enough wrapping?

Please name at least 2 layers that you want to remove and describe briefly
how would you do that.

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On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 12:42:20AM +0500, Andrey Rakhmatullin wrote:

so you have gwh, calling gbp, calling sbuild?, calling dpkg-buildpackage?, calling debian/rules, calling dh, calling dh_auto_build?, calling upstream's build system (which may itself often include layers)
i know some of these do add new features, but at some point isnt there enough wrapping?

Please name at least 2 layers that you want to remove and describe briefly how would you do that.

In my setups I'm not using gwh nor gbp. (SCNR)


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Hi,

* Package name : gwh
Version : 0.6.14
Upstream Contact: Roland Mas
* URL : https://salsa.debian.org/lolando/gwh
* License : GPL-3+
Programming Lang: bash
Description : git-buildpackage workflow helper

This is a wrapper script around git-buildpackage

I know git-buildpackage has a lot of options and historically it has
been a little bit hard for packagers to figure out which commands
exactly to use with git-buildpackage to achieve the normal day-to-day
packaging tasks, but the man pages and the manual at https://gbp.sigxcpu.org/manual/ is nowadays much improved.

Are you sure that creating a new abstraction layer on top of
git-buildpackage is useful?

You basically just have one bash script with git-buildpackage aliases
in a fancy way. Could you just contribute to upstream git-buildpackage
to make it easier, or have your script included at https://salsa.debian.org/agx/git-buildpackage/-/tree/master/examples
instead of creating a whole new Debian package?

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On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 01:03:47PM +0200, Mechtilde Stehmann wrote:

I'm deeply concerned that the "surface area" of Debian packaging
tools is too large already for new folk, and adding something like
gwh into the archive makes that problem worse.

I would really like to see an effort to improve gbp itself directly
at least first. Have you tried to do that?

I try to describe, how packaging with gbp (git-buildpackage) can work, >including the workflow and why.

It should help to unterstand the process of packaging.

salsa.debian.org/ddp-team/dpb

"The main script which the book explains ("Programmskript") is called "build-gbp.sh""

This also sounds like an extra wrapper. It's also unlikely to be related
to gbp based on what I've read.


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Hi Otto,
On Mon, May 19, 2025 at 02:13:29PM -0700, Otto Kek�l�inen wrote:

Hi,

* Package name : gwh
Version : 0.6.14
Upstream Contact: Roland Mas
* URL : https://salsa.debian.org/lolando/gwh
* License : GPL-3+
Programming Lang: bash
Description : git-buildpackage workflow helper

This is a wrapper script around git-buildpackage

I know git-buildpackage has a lot of options and historically it has
been a little bit hard for packagers to figure out which commands
exactly to use with git-buildpackage to achieve the normal day-to-day packaging tasks, but the man pages and the manual at https://gbp.sigxcpu.org/manual/ is nowadays much improved.

Are you sure that creating a new abstraction layer on top of
git-buildpackage is useful?

You basically just have one bash script with git-buildpackage aliases
in a fancy way. Could you just contribute to upstream git-buildpackage
to make it easier, or have your script included at https://salsa.debian.org/agx/git-buildpackage/-/tree/master/examples
instead of creating a whole new Debian package?

Roland and I chatted about this off list and examples/ wouldn't make it prominent enough and as it encodes a very specific work flow it wouldn't
be suitable to install with gbp by default either so a separate package
looks like the best way forward.

Cheers,
-- Guido

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On Wed May 21, 2025 at 12:45 AM BST, Soren Stoutner wrote:

As someone who is one of the most vocal supporters of standardizing
how we package things, I would like to say that I always worry when
someone says, “Don’t package this new thing. The things we have are already good enough.” I worry that attitude hinders progress, mostly because it is hard to tell which things will end up being really
useful over time.

This is not what I said. In particular I have not asserted that the
existing tools are good enough. (Far from it). I argued for improving
the existing tools.

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👱🏻 Jonathan Dowland
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On Wednesday, May 21, 2025 12:37:11 AM Mountain Standard Time Jonathan Dowland
wrote:

On Wed May 21, 2025 at 12:45 AM BST, Soren Stoutner wrote:

As someone who is one of the most vocal supporters of standardizing
how we package things, I would like to say that I always worry when
someone says, “Don’t package this new thing. The things we have are already good enough.” I worry that attitude hinders progress, mostly because it is hard to tell which things will end up being really
useful over time.

This is not what I said. In particular I have not asserted that the
existing tools are good enough. (Far from it). I argued for improving
the existing tools.

Sometimes the only way to improve existing tools is to create new ones. They have argued that is the case here. I do not know if they are correct or not, but I think they should be encouraged in their efforts to try.

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Soren Stoutner
soren@debian.org
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XPost: linux.debian.bugs.dist
From: lolando@debian.org

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Roland Mas <lolando@debian.org>
X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org

* Package name : gwh
Version : 0.6.14
Upstream Contact: Roland Mas
* URL : https://salsa.debian.org/lolando/gwh
* License : GPL-3+
Programming Lang: bash
Description : git-buildpackage workflow helper

This is a wrapper script around git-buildpackage that helps automate
common operations in a Debian package maintainer's workflow. To be fair,
this should currently read "in *this* Debian package maintainer's
workflow". It condenses years of automating things I do all day long,
and as such it fits my own workflows, but I still think it could be
useful to others.

The main features are:
- bind-mount machinery to make previously built packages available in
the chroot, in order to build complex dependency chains even before
the packages are available on standard mirrors;
- a set of hooks that can perform common tasks after the build: run
lintian, or piuparts, or autopkgtest, or try a second build in a
row;
- other hooks that allow running a shell before the build, or after
the build if it succeeds, or if it fails;
- a build-sign-upload-push sequence.

I've been asked how opinionated this is. My initial answer was "not very",
but I acknowledge this is a subjective opinion. The main assumption is pbuilder/cowbuilder (because of the hooks system), and debrelease for now
(but that part could probably be made modular).

Given the current discussions on -devel, I'd eventually like to sort of integrate DEP-14 and/or team policies wrt. branch naming. So far I'm
still in the process of making sure that the scripts can actually be useful
on somebody else's system; a few weeks ago they were still living in
my ~/bin and ~/.config and so on, with some hardcoded paths and
assumptions everywhere.

I am of course open to contributions, and will gladly move the package
to the /debian namespace on salsa to facilitate things if there's interest beyond myself.

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XPost: linux.debian.bugs.dist
From: soren@debian.org
To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org

On Tuesday, May 20, 2025 7:15:19 AM Mountain Standard Time Roland Mas wrote:

I've read all the feedback on this ITP, and will take it into account, including the renaming part. I'm uncomfortable with withdrawing it altogether, but I propose to sit on it for a few weeks, at least long
enough to make the tool good enough to add real value to the archive.
Then I'll restart a discussion on -devel, and if the consensus then is
that gwh has no place in Debian I'll withdraw the ITP.

How does that sound?

As someone who is one of the most vocal supporters of standardizing how we package things, I would like to say that I always worry when someone says, “Don’t package this new thing. The things we have are already good enough.”
I worry that attitude hinders progress, mostly because it is hard to tell which things will end up being really useful over time.

There are a number of teams that have already packaged scripts and wrappers that are useful for particular packaging workflows. An example is pkg-kde- tools, which includes pkgkde-symbolshelper. This ends up being crazy useful when dealing with symbols files, so much that I (and other people) use it for any package, not just KDE ones.

https://qt-kde-team.pages.debian.net/symbolfiles.html

I would be very sad if this hadn’t been packaged because someone said there shouldn’t be any more wrappers.

--
Soren Stoutner
soren@debian.org
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