• Was: Im stuck

    From Daniel =?utf-8?Q?Gr=C3=B6ber?=@21:1/5 to Andrey Rakhmatullin on Thu Jul 4 15:50:01 2024
    On Thu, Jul 04, 2024 at 06:28:17PM +0500, Andrey Rakhmatullin wrote:
    On Thu, Jul 04, 2024 at 03:22:35PM +0200, Daniel Gröber wrote:
    I don't think this is necessary or helpful: most RFSes are sponsored because they are in a good shape and somebody decided to sponsor them, not
    because a sponsor is actually interested in that software. https://mentors.debian.net/sponsors/ makes sense to me: you either find a relevant team or wait until people that sponsor random packages sponsor yours. Knowing what does the package actually do is mostly useful to skip ones that don't deserve sponsoring.

    Andrey, when was the last time you requested sponsorship on a package with an identity that's not yet well established in the project? Perhaps you should try it next time you want to have something in Debian and see what happens.

    Sorry? I know that we have a problem with not having enough sponsors and
    that many RFSes, especially for new packages, are open for months, I'm
    just saying that providing more info about a package won't help solve it.

    Sponsors are more likeley to pick up a package if it's personally
    interesting to them, that's just human nature. Making the ITP/RFS more appealing doesn't really fix the root cause, no, but many of us work on
    Debian because it's intrinically interesting, no? So why shouldn't new contributors try to maximize the appeal of their work to motivate us DDs to look at it?

    More motivation for sponsors -> fewer sponsors needed overall :)

    --Daniel

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  • From Phil Wyett@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 4 18:40:02 2024
    On Thu, 2024-07-04 at 15:44 +0200, Daniel Gröber wrote:
    On Thu, Jul 04, 2024 at 06:28:17PM +0500, Andrey Rakhmatullin wrote:
    On Thu, Jul 04, 2024 at 03:22:35PM +0200, Daniel Gröber wrote:
    I don't think this is necessary or helpful: most RFSes are sponsored because they are in a good shape and somebody decided to sponsor them, not
    because a sponsor is actually interested in that software. https://mentors.debian.net/sponsors/ makes sense to me: you either find a
    relevant team or wait until people that sponsor random packages sponsor yours. Knowing what does the package actually do is mostly useful to skip
    ones that don't deserve sponsoring.

    Andrey, when was the last time you requested sponsorship on a package with
    an identity that's not yet well established in the project? Perhaps you should try it next time you want to have something in Debian and see what happens.

    Sorry? I know that we have a problem with not having enough sponsors and that many RFSes, especially for new packages, are open for months, I'm
    just saying that providing more info about a package won't help solve it.

    Sponsors are more likeley to pick up a package if it's personally
    interesting to them, that's just human nature. Making the ITP/RFS more appealing doesn't really fix the root cause, no, but many of us work on Debian because it's intrinically interesting, no? So why shouldn't new contributors try to maximize the appeal of their work to motivate us DDs to look at it?

    More motivation for sponsors -> fewer sponsors needed overall :)

    --Daniel

    Hi Daniel, Andrey,

    I agree with Andrey that many packages are sponsored because they are in good shape rather than a
    particuler DD having a personal interest in the area of a Request For Sponsorship (RFS) package. I
    do have one very busy DD (ain't they all) who has indicated that they will accept infrequent
    packages suggested by me based on a particular technology area, but this is rare.

    Motivation for DD sponsors can be partly accomplished by lowering the workload when they take a
    package on. Reduction in basic errors and as Andrey stated having packages in good order makes it
    easier on a busy DD who may be getting pulled in a variety of directions i.e. real world, own
    packages, NMUs, QA/Orphaned and of course mentors. I believe we have started the beginnings of this
    with contributors being all put through the same review with specific tests they should pass. This
    is an evolving process and by no means complete with all suggestions welcome.

    Motivation for contributors also needs to be addressed. Contributors need a friendly atmosphere and
    not fear being wrong and stung with short snippy feedback on Request For Sponsorship (RFS) bug
    reports - We all started somewhere. Contributors need hints, links to correct information and
    encouragement to feel that they are getting there and instilling good packaging and maintenance
    habits for when they make submissions in the future.

    Not going to write an essay, but just some thoughts.

    Regards

    Phil

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  • From Peter B@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 10 14:10:01 2024
    On 04/07/2024 14:44, Daniel Gröber wrote:
    Sponsors are more likeley to pick up a package if it's personally
    interesting to them,

    Something that might help here,
    is for the RFS template to include the long description of the package.

    Otherwise, potential sponsors have to unpack the source package to find
    out what it does.

    Regards,
    Peter

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  • From Daniel =?utf-8?Q?Gr=C3=B6ber?=@21:1/5 to Peter B on Wed Jul 10 15:20:01 2024
    On Wed, Jul 10, 2024 at 12:57:48PM +0100, Peter B wrote:
    On 04/07/2024 14:44, Daniel Gröber wrote:
    Sponsors are more likeley to pick up a package if it's personally interesting to them,

    Something that might help here, is for the RFS template to include the
    long description of the package.

    The way I see it for new packages the description and a pitch on the ML
    have a different focus and just using the exact same text for both purposes
    is suboptimal, but I'd rather have the long description than
    only the oneline summary :)

    Otherwise, potential sponsors have to unpack the source package to find out what it does.

    Right. mentors.d.o also doesn't show it (I thought it did).

    --Daniel

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