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Hello,

On Wed 26 Feb 2025 at 02:22pm +01, Chris Hofstaedtler wrote:

Seconded. Thanks for dealing with this, sorry for the trouble.

No problem, I'm glad we kind of got a transition going.

Editorial: s/a exception/an exception/?

Thanks, fixed.

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* Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> [250226 14:09]:

On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 08:33:46PM +0800, Sean Whitton wrote:

("may" and "encouraged" here have their official Policy meanings)

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diff --git a/policy/ch-files.rst b/policy/ch-files.rst
index 6fda3b1..c2e4700 100644
--- a/policy/ch-files.rst
+++ b/policy/ch-files.rst
@@ -19,6 +19,13 @@ to the ``debian-devel`` mailing list and try to find a consensus about
which program will have to be renamed. If a consensus cannot be reached,
*both* programs must be renamed.

+There is a exception to the above rules for ``/usr/games``: packages that +already install programs to ``/usr/games``, where another package installs a
+program of the same with different functionality to a different directory on
+the default ``PATH``, may continue to do so. However, packages must not +install any newly conflicting programs to ``/usr/games``, and packages already
+doing so are encouraged to move these programs to non-conflicting names.
+
Packages must not install files to paths whose first component is a name
directly under the file system root and which is a symbolic link to a
directory of the same name under ``/usr``. That is, packages must not install
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seconded, thanks.

Seconded. Thanks for dealing with this, sorry for the trouble.

Editorial: s/a exception/an exception/?

Chris

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On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 7:36 AM Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> wrote:

Therefore I am seeking seconds for the following patch.

Sean, I appreciate the work you do on Debian Policy. I can understand
your desire to want to quickly release a hotfix because the effects of
4.7.1 were more disruptive than you intended. In this case, you got 3
"seconds" which is great, but I believe there were also multiple
people replying here that Policy didn't need to be reverted. So I was
surprised to see 4.7.2 announced so quickly but apparently after you
had already seen replies against your proposal.

Maybe it's not that big of a deal and we can expect a version of the
4.7.1 Policy wording to be restored soon after Trixie is released. And
maybe it is appropriate for the Policy Editor to quickly and
decisively act since we're late in this release cycle.

Thank you,
Jeremy Bícha

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On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 08:33:46PM +0800, Sean Whitton wrote:

("may" and "encouraged" here have their official Policy meanings)

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
diff --git a/policy/ch-files.rst b/policy/ch-files.rst
index 6fda3b1..c2e4700 100644
--- a/policy/ch-files.rst
+++ b/policy/ch-files.rst
@@ -19,6 +19,13 @@ to the ``debian-devel`` mailing list and try to find a consensus about
which program will have to be renamed. If a consensus cannot be reached,
*both* programs must be renamed.

+There is a exception to the above rules for ``/usr/games``: packages that +already install programs to ``/usr/games``, where another package installs a +program of the same with different functionality to a different directory on +the default ``PATH``, may continue to do so. However, packages must not +install any newly conflicting programs to ``/usr/games``, and packages already
+doing so are encouraged to move these programs to non-conflicting names.
+
Packages must not install files to paths whose first component is a name
directly under the file system root and which is a symbolic link to a
directory of the same name under ``/usr``. That is, packages must not install
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seconded, thanks.


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* Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> [2025-02-26 20:33]:

("may" and "encouraged" here have their official Policy meanings)

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diff --git a/policy/ch-files.rst b/policy/ch-files.rst
index 6fda3b1..c2e4700 100644
--- a/policy/ch-files.rst
+++ b/policy/ch-files.rst
@@ -19,6 +19,13 @@ to the ``debian-devel`` mailing list and try to find a consensus about
which program will have to be renamed. If a consensus cannot be reached, *both* programs must be renamed.

+There is a exception to the above rules for ``/usr/games``: packages that >+already install programs to ``/usr/games``, where another package installs a >+program of the same with different functionality to a different directory on >+the default ``PATH``, may continue to do so. However, packages must not >+install any newly conflicting programs to ``/usr/games``, and packages already
+doing so are encouraged to move these programs to non-conflicting names.
+
Packages must not install files to paths whose first component is a name directly under the file system root and which is a symbolic link to a directory of the same name under ``/usr``. That is, packages must not install
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Seconded.

Cheers Jochen

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