• LibreOffice removed from Debian

    From Vincent Lefevre@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 17 15:20:01 2024
    Is there any reason why LibreOffice has been removed from Debian???

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  • From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 17 15:20:01 2024
    Am 17.04.2024 um 15:12:39 Uhr schrieb Vincent Lefevre:

    Is there any reason why LibreOffice has been removed from Debian???

    https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/libreoffice
    According to the tracker, it specific release got removed from
    experimental. This is a special repo for testing and should only be
    used by people who want an unstable testing system.

    It is still available in stable and also in unstable.

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  • From Vincent Lefevre@21:1/5 to Marco Moock on Wed Apr 17 15:30:01 2024
    On 2024-04-17 15:19:26 +0200, Marco Moock wrote:
    Am 17.04.2024 um 15:12:39 Uhr schrieb Vincent Lefevre:

    Is there any reason why LibreOffice has been removed from Debian???

    https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/libreoffice
    According to the tracker, it specific release got removed from
    experimental. This is a special repo for testing and should only be
    used by people who want an unstable testing system.

    It is still available in stable and also in unstable.

    No, I do not use experimental (except in rare cases, but libreoffice
    was not concerned), and (all?) my bug reports against libreoffice have
    been closed due to this removal.

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  • From Thomas Schmitt@21:1/5 to Vincent Lefevre on Wed Apr 17 15:40:01 2024
    Hi,

    Vincent Lefevre wrote:
    Is there any reason why LibreOffice has been removed from Debian???

    https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/libreoffice

    says

    The dependencies of libuno-cppuhelpergcc3-3=4:24.2.0-1 cannot be
    satisfied in unstable on arm64, s390x, i386, ppc64el, armel, amd64,
    and armhf
    [...]
    Depends on packages which need a new maintainer
    [...]
    This package has been requested to be removed. [...]
    Please see bug number #1069123 for more information.

    This bug looks somewhat like a misunderstanding between the maintainer
    and the Debian FTP Master.
    The maintainer declares a lot of packages to be "cruft" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Harvard_Cruft_Hall.png)
    referring to various arches, but not to amd64.
    The Masters seem to react by marking the source package "libreoffice"
    for removal. (It is in the maintainer's cruft list, indeed.)


    Have a nice day :)

    Thomas

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  • From Vincent Lefevre@21:1/5 to Brad Rogers on Wed Apr 17 15:40:01 2024
    On 2024-04-17 14:26:12 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
    On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 15:12:39 +0200
    Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> wrote:

    Hello Vincent,

    Is there any reason why LibreOffice has been removed from Debian???

    https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/libreoffice

    Has all the info you need, and more. Expect it to be removed from
    testing, too.

    Indeed:

    "This package has been requested to be removed. This means that, when
    this request gets processed by an ftp-master, this package will no
    longer be in unstable, and will automatically be removed from testing
    too afterwards. If for some reason you want keep this package in
    unstable, please discuss so in the bug. Please see bug number #1069123
    for more information."

    This is not permanent.

    If this is not permanent, why have all the bugs been closed?

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  • From Vincent Lefevre@21:1/5 to Vincent Lefevre on Wed Apr 17 15:40:02 2024
    On 2024-04-17 15:24:47 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
    On 2024-04-17 15:19:26 +0200, Marco Moock wrote:
    Am 17.04.2024 um 15:12:39 Uhr schrieb Vincent Lefevre:

    Is there any reason why LibreOffice has been removed from Debian???

    https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/libreoffice
    According to the tracker, it specific release got removed from experimental. This is a special repo for testing and should only be
    used by people who want an unstable testing system.

    It is still available in stable and also in unstable.

    No, I do not use experimental (except in rare cases, but libreoffice
    was not concerned), and (all?) my bug reports against libreoffice have
    been closed due to this removal.

    Not just mine. It seems that *all* bug reports against
    libreoffice have been closed:

    https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?archive=0;ordering=normal;repeatmerged=0;src=libreoffice

    Only bug 883734 is open, but this is because it has been reopened.

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  • From Vincent Lefevre@21:1/5 to Brad Rogers on Wed Apr 17 16:20:01 2024
    On 2024-04-17 14:59:18 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
    On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 15:35:57 +0200
    Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> wrote:

    Hello Vincent,

    If this is not permanent, why have all the bugs been closed?

    That I have no answer for.

    I've sent a message to bug 1069123 (which requested the removal).

    https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1069123#20 and https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1069123#25 say
    that the request was correct, but the bugs shouldn't have been
    closed. They have now been reopened.

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  • From Vincent Lefevre@21:1/5 to Vincent Lefevre on Wed Apr 17 16:20:01 2024
    On 2024-04-17 16:13:30 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
    I've sent a message to bug 1069123 (which requested the removal).

    https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1069123#20 and https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1069123#25 say
    that the request was correct, but the bugs shouldn't have been
    closed. They have now been reopened.

    Actually, if I understand correctly, LibreOffice will really be
    removed on some architectures (armhf ppc64el s390x mips64el riscv64). Fortunately, I am not concerned by this removal (only by the fact
    that my bug reports were closed, but this has now been fixed).

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  • From Jonathan Dowland@21:1/5 to Jonathan Dowland on Wed Apr 17 17:40:01 2024
    On Wed Apr 17, 2024 at 4:31 PM BST, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
    That's not what I see here. Perhaps share one of your affected bug
    numbers?

    Ah <https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1069123#25> (from elsewhere in the thread) explains it.


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  • From Jonathan Dowland@21:1/5 to Vincent Lefevre on Wed Apr 17 17:40:01 2024
    On Wed Apr 17, 2024 at 2:30 PM BST, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
    Not just mine. It seems that *all* bug reports against
    libreoffice have been closed:

    https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?archive=0;ordering=normal;repeatmerged=0;src=libreoffice

    Only bug 883734 is open, but this is because it has been reopened.

    That's not what I see here. Perhaps share one of your affected bug
    numbers?




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  • From Stefan Monnier@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 18 04:30:01 2024
    Actually, if I understand correctly, LibreOffice will really be
    removed on some architectures (armhf ppc64el s390x mips64el riscv64).

    🙁


    Stefan

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  • From Erwan David@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 18 10:00:01 2024
    Le 17/04/2024 à 15:26, Brad Rogers a écrit :
    On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 15:12:39 +0200
    Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> wrote:

    Hello Vincent,

    Is there any reason why LibreOffice has been removed from Debian???
    https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/libreoffice

    Has all the info you need, and more. Expect it to be removed from
    testing, too.

    This is not permanent.

    What scares me is seeing part of 18 ongoing transition, and 4 "coming
    soon transitions" with "please do not upload if it is not related to the transition".

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  • From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 18 10:10:01 2024
    Am 18.04.2024 schrieb Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org>:

    What scares me is seeing part of 18 ongoing transition, and 4 "coming
    soon transitions" with "please do not upload if it is not related to
    the transition".

    That is Debian unstable. There will be changes that break things and it
    is intended to find and fix them.

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  • From Michael =?utf-8?B?S2rDtnJsaW5n?=@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 18 10:30:02 2024
    On 18 Apr 2024 09:55 +0200, from erwan@rail.eu.org (Erwan David):
    https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/libreoffice

    What scares me is seeing part of 18 ongoing transition, and 4 "coming soon transitions" with "please do not upload if it is not related to the transition".

    Why does that scare you?

    Those entries are related to testing; that is, it seems to me, Trixie.

    We're over a year away from a likely release of Trixie, or
    correspondingly half way in between the Bookworm and Trixie releases.
    (Note: I have no special knowledge of the release cycle planning for
    Trixie. This is based on historical evidence and an assumption that
    something approximating the release cycle for the last several
    releases will apply also to Trixie, which would put a Trixie release
    in mid-2025.)

    Large-scale changes in Testing and Unstable _especially_ at this point
    in the release cycle are to be expected. Sometimes those changes will
    by necessity block other changes until everything is sorted out in
    terms of versions, dependencies and packaging.

    If you want stability, run Stable (and maybe Backports). If you're
    running Testing or Unstable (let alone with Experimental on top of
    that), then you should _expect_ there to be occasional breakage or
    large-scale changes that can block upgrades until it is all sorted
    out by the package maintainers, and which may sometimes require local intervention as well.

    To be fair, this did apparently cause some side effects of bugs being
    closed incorrectly; but my understanding from the sidelines of this
    thread is that that was corrected quickly once brought to attention.

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  • From Michael =?utf-8?B?S2rDtnJsaW5n?=@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 18 12:50:01 2024
    On 18 Apr 2024 11:38 +0200, from hans.ullrich@loop.de (Hans):
    And for libreoffice I suppose, it is planned, to change from 7.6 to 24.4, which will be a major jump.

    LibreOffice recently changed the version numbering scheme from X.Y
    (relatively arbitrary numbering) to YY.M (release year and month).

    Given that 7.6 was released in August 2023 and 24.2 _just_ before
    February 2024 (Wikipedia puts it at 31 Jan 2024), the jump from 7.6 to
    24.2 represents about half a year's worth of development.

    And please trim your mail system's "SPAM" markers from subject lines
    when replying.

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