• Zoom in the official repo is outdated

    From =?UTF-8?Q?Luiz_Rom=C3=A1rio_Santana@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 24 22:10:01 2024
    Hello,

    (Please cc me when replying as I'm not subscribed to the list)

    Earlier this month, I noticed I was no longer able to login to Zoom
    meetings using the client installed from the Debian repos. In order to
    join meetings, I had to uninstall it then install the flatpack Zoom package.

    I think it should either be updated or outright removed in favor of the flatpack version. What do you think? Should I report a bug?

    Sds,

    Romário

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Luiz_Rom=C3=A1rio_Santana@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 24 23:00:01 2024
    I forgot I had installed zoom from the official zoom deb package, not
    from the Debian repo. And, as it turns out, they provide just the deb package[1], not a repo where the push updates, so I'd have to manually
    download the new deb package in order to update Zoom.

    Whoops...

    Sorry for the noise. And thanks for the attention.

    (Using the flatpak version is more convenient anyway, since I don't have
    to keep manually updating Zoom)

    [1]: https://zoom.us/client/6.0.2.4680/zoom_amd64.deb

    Em 24/04/2024 17:28, Michael Kjörling escreveu:
    On 24 Apr 2024 16:42 -0300, from luizromario@tecgraf.puc-rio.br (Luiz Romário Santana Rios):
    Earlier this month, I noticed I was no longer able to login to Zoom meetings >> using the client installed from the Debian repos. In order to join meetings, >> I had to uninstall it then install the flatpack Zoom package.

    I think it should either be updated or outright removed in favor of the
    flatpack version. What do you think? Should I report a bug?
    I can't seem to find any Zoom client at all in the official Debian repositories. It also doesn't really sound like something that the
    Debian project _would_ package.

    https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=zoom (which searches
    everything from buster to trixie plus sid and experimental, across all architectures) lists packages named libnet-z3950-simple2zoom-perl, libnet-z3950-zoom-perl, libnet-z3950-zoom-perl-dbgsym, node-d3-zoom, ruby-zoom, ruby-zoom-dbgsym, xzoom, xzoom-dbgsym, zoom-player and zoom-player-dbgsym; none of which appear to be in any way related to
    the proprietary videoconferencing service.

    That said, if it's packaged for Debian somewhere and the packaged
    version does not work for its intended purpose on a version of Debian
    it's advertised as being packaged for, then yes, my firm belief is
    that making some sort of report of this to whoever packages it that it doesn't work properly (ideally with steps to reproduce the incorrect behavior) is entirely reasonable.

    _If_ that is the Debian project, then filing a bug against the
    specific package through the Debian bug tracker is the correct way to
    do it. _If so_, then start at <https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting>.


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  • From Michael =?utf-8?B?S2rDtnJsaW5n?=@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 24 22:30:01 2024
    On 24 Apr 2024 16:42 -0300, from luizromario@tecgraf.puc-rio.br (Luiz Romário Santana Rios):
    Earlier this month, I noticed I was no longer able to login to Zoom meetings using the client installed from the Debian repos. In order to join meetings, I had to uninstall it then install the flatpack Zoom package.

    I think it should either be updated or outright removed in favor of the flatpack version. What do you think? Should I report a bug?

    I can't seem to find any Zoom client at all in the official Debian repositories. It also doesn't really sound like something that the
    Debian project _would_ package.

    https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=zoom (which searches
    everything from buster to trixie plus sid and experimental, across all architectures) lists packages named libnet-z3950-simple2zoom-perl, libnet-z3950-zoom-perl, libnet-z3950-zoom-perl-dbgsym, node-d3-zoom,
    ruby-zoom, ruby-zoom-dbgsym, xzoom, xzoom-dbgsym, zoom-player and zoom-player-dbgsym; none of which appear to be in any way related to
    the proprietary videoconferencing service.

    That said, if it's packaged for Debian somewhere and the packaged
    version does not work for its intended purpose on a version of Debian
    it's advertised as being packaged for, then yes, my firm belief is
    that making some sort of report of this to whoever packages it that it
    doesn't work properly (ideally with steps to reproduce the incorrect
    behavior) is entirely reasonable.

    _If_ that is the Debian project, then filing a bug against the
    specific package through the Debian bug tracker is the correct way to
    do it. _If so_, then start at <https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting>.

    --
    Michael Kjörling 🔗 https://michael.kjorling.se “Remember when, on the Internet, nobody cared that you were a dog?”

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  • From Dan Ritter@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 24 22:20:01 2024
    Luiz Romrio Santana Rios wrote:
    Hello,

    (Please cc me when replying as I'm not subscribed to the list)

    Earlier this month, I noticed I was no longer able to login to Zoom meetings using the client installed from the Debian repos. In order to join meetings, I had to uninstall it then install the flatpack Zoom package.

    I think it should either be updated or outright removed in favor of the flatpack version. What do you think? Should I report a bug?

    Can you point to the zoom client in the Debian repos? I can't
    find it.

    -dsr-

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  • From Eike Lantzsch ZP5CGE / KY4PZ@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 24 23:00:02 2024
    This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

    On Mittwoch, 24. April 2024 15:42:39 -04 Luiz Romrio Santana Rios wrote:
    Hello,

    (Please cc me when replying as I'm not subscribed to the list)

    Earlier this month, I noticed I was no longer able to login to Zoom
    meetings using the client installed from the Debian repos. In order to
    join meetings, I had to uninstall it then install the flatpack Zoom
    package.

    I think it should either be updated or outright removed in favor of
    the flatpack version. What do you think? Should I report a bug?

    Sds,

    Romrio

    Hello Romrio,
    To me it seems that Zoom on your Debian installation will be outdated forever because it
    is not part of any Debian repository. Not even zoom.us hints on a repository lurking in the
    realms of proprietary software somewhere.
    You need to install a new version from here:

    https://support.zoom.com/hc/en/article? id=zm_kb&sysparm_article=KB0063458#h_adcc0b66-b2f4-468b-bc7a-12c182f354b7[1] You may download the package from herehttps://zoom.us/download?os=linux[2] Enter OS Type, architecture and further download the public key.
    Check the package against it and then
    dpkg -i zoom-package
    You might have to install some additional dependencies manually.
    Then hope that it will work as designed.

    Have a nice day and all the best to you
    --
    Eike Lantzsch KY4PZ / ZP5CGE

    On a note about Re: Sv: and so on "feature" of MS email clients.
    Re: is not a short for "Reply" as MS seems to think.
    A re (the ablative of res 'thing') has been used in English
    since the 18th century to mean 'in the matter of', 'referring to'.


    --------
    [1] https://support.zoom.com/hc/en/article? id=zm_kb&sysparm_article=KB0063458#h_adcc0b66-b2f4-468b-bc7a-12c182f354b7
    [2] https://zoom.us/download?os=linux

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  • From Bret Busby@21:1/5 to Jeffrey Walton on Thu Apr 25 02:40:01 2024
    On 25/4/24 08:13, Jeffrey Walton wrote:

    <snip>

    Related, if you control the venue, then you might consider using Jitsi.
    Jitsi is open source, and it does not have the obscene terms of service
    that companies like Google, Microsoft and Zoom push onto people using
    their service. With Jitsi, your meeting data is yours. It is not used internally for other products, and it is not shared with partners like
    the Big Tech companies do.

    And last but not least, Zoom is not trustworthy. The company will lie to users until the cows come home. It was so bad the FCC had to sue them to
    get the company to stop. That's saying something when the FCC moves
    against a company. The FCC is captured, and the regulatory body rarely
    moves against any company.

    Jeff

    This has been discussed (and disgusted) some months ago, on this list.

    zoom, like the big g (that appears to be the ominous g in the freemasons symbolism), is known to be a spybot thingy, making use of content from communications.

    As the big g does it with the goggle searches and with geemail, zoom
    does it with the audio and video from its audiovisual communications.
    Using either, for communications that are not wanted to be made public,
    or sold to people that want to cause harm, is not a good idea.

    jitsi is recognised as being significantly less of a spybot, and so, is recommended for use, by the FSF, I believe, where use of zoom, is
    strongly discouraged, I believe.

    ....
    Bret Busby
    Armadale
    Western Australia
    (UTC+0800)
    .................

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  • From Peter Ehlert@21:1/5 to luizromario@tecgraf.puc-rio.br on Thu Apr 25 02:40:01 2024
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    On April 24, 2024 1:00:29 PM Luiz Romário Santana Rios <luizromario@tecgraf.puc-rio.br> wrote:

    Hello,

    (Please cc me when replying as I'm not subscribed to the list)

    Earlier this month, I noticed I was no longer able to login to Zoom
    meetings using the client installed from the Debian repos. In order to
    join meetings, I had to uninstall it then install the flatpack Zoom package.

    I think it should either be updated or outright removed in favor of the flatpack version. What do you think? Should I report a bug?

    Sds,

    Romário


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  • From Stefan Monnier@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 25 06:00:01 2024
    Jeffrey Walton [2024-04-24 20:13:57] wrote:

    On Wed, Apr 24, 2024 at 7:13 PM Van Snyder <van.snyder@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On Wed, 2024-04-24 at 16:42 -0300, Luiz Romário Santana Rios wrote:

    Hello,


    (Please cc me when replying as I'm not subscribed to the list)


    Earlier this month, I noticed I was no longer able to login to Zoom

    meetings using the client installed from the Debian repos. In order to

    join meetings, I had to uninstall it then install the flatpack Zoom package. >>

    I think it should either be updated or outright removed in favor of the

    flatpack version. What do you think? Should I report a bug?


    I was expected to use zoom for a meeting. The zoom app didn't work at all
    in Debian 10, completely refusing even to open a window. I at first started >> with the zoom support in Firefox, but it didn't have a button to select
    high resolution for the camera, so the meeting host asked me to run in the >> app.

    I re-opened the session on a different computer that is running Debian 12. >> The app worked OK on that computer.


    Related, if you control the venue, then you might consider using Jitsi.
    Jitsi is open source, and it does not have the obscene terms of service
    that companies like Google, Microsoft and Zoom push onto people using their service. With Jitsi, your meeting data is yours. It is not used internally for other products, and it is not shared with partners like the Big Tech companies do.

    There's also BigBlueButton (more featureful than Jitsi, but apparently
    harder to install/setup/maintain) and I also heard good things about
    Galène https://galene.org/ (which is apparently the simplest to install/setup/maintain and the least demanding on the server).


    Stefan

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