• Re: [ SOLVED] Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic... Text

    From James H. H. Lampert@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 3 18:20:01 2024
    I will say that one should probably not expect perfection from an email
    reader that's named after a cheap wine.

    In my experience, T-Bird is the worst email reader I've ever used . . .
    except for *every other* email reader (without a single exception) I've
    tried. I'm particularly irritated with those that have no way to disable
    HTML rendering, and those that have no way to send properly formatted plain-text-only emails, those that try to trick you into top-posting,
    and (especially) those mobile email readers that waste finite processor resources by insisting on checking your email even when closed.

    Compared to that, dealing with T-Bird's imperfections is a walk in the park.

    --
    JHHL
    (who still hasn't figured out why Ford named a car, and the Air Force
    named its demonstration team, after that same cheap wine)

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  • From Bret Busby@21:1/5 to James H. H. Lampert on Mon Jun 3 20:20:01 2024
    On 4/6/24 00:10, James H. H. Lampert wrote:
    I will say that one should probably not expect perfection from an email reader that's named after a cheap wine.


    ?


    ....
    Bret Busby
    Armadale
    Western Australia
    (UTC+0800)
    .................

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  • From Dan Ritter@21:1/5 to Bret Busby on Mon Jun 3 20:40:01 2024
    Bret Busby wrote:
    On 4/6/24 00:10, James H. H. Lampert wrote:
    I will say that one should probably not expect perfection from an email reader that's named after a cheap wine.


    ?

    USA-centric reference. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flavored_fortified_wine

    -dsr-

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  • From Chris M@21:1/5 to James H. H. Lampert on Mon Jun 3 21:10:01 2024
    James H. H. Lampert wrote:
    I will say that one should probably not expect perfection from an
    email reader that's named after a cheap wine.

    In my experience, T-Bird is the worst email reader I've ever used . .
    . except for *every other* email reader (without a single exception)
    I've tried. I'm particularly irritated with those that have no way to
    disable HTML rendering, and those that have no way to send properly
    formatted plain-text-only emails, those that try to trick you into top-posting, and (especially) those mobile email readers that waste
    finite processor resources by insisting on checking your email even
    when closed.

    Compared to that, dealing with T-Bird's imperfections is a walk in the
    park.

    --
    JHHL
    (who still hasn't figured out why Ford named a car, and the Air Force
    named its demonstration team, after that same cheap wine)




    Thunderbird is the name of a cheap wine?

    I love Evolution and Claws to a point. Its a PITA to forward emails with
    HTML in them, like the Informed Delivery email I get each morning
    letting us know whats coming in the USPS that day.

    ============================================================

    THANKS IN ADVANCE!

    CHRIS

    CHRIS@CWM030.COM

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  • From Chris M@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 3 21:10:02 2024
    I am needing a "refresher course" on mail clients that use the .mbox
    format to store emails.
    It's been years since I've used this kind of mail client.

    Is there any "dangers" I need to know about? Like, keeping the mailbox a certain size?
    or a certain amount of emails per folder etc?

    The last client I used, before I went FULL TIME LINUX, was Eudora 7.1 on Windows 10. And you had
    to keep the .mbx files TINY TINY TINY or else, you'd face corruption.

    I always go offline, and then compact my folders after I get done
    reading emails.

    Right now my "2024 Archives" folder is at:

    Number Of Messages: 4776

    Size: 300 MB

    ============================================================
    THANKS IN ADVANCE!

    CHRIS

    CHRIS@CWM030.COM

    * Lenovo ThinkCentre M710q*~~~* 1 TB SSD*~~~*15.5 GiB of ram*

    ~~* Q4OS Trinity Edition* ~~

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  • From Felix Miata@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 3 21:40:01 2024
    Chris M composed on 2024-06-03 14:08 (UTC-0500):

    Is there any "dangers" I need to know about? Like, keeping the mailbox a certain size?
    or a certain amount of emails per folder etc?
    ...
    I always go offline, and then compact my folders after I get done
    reading emails.

    In SM at least, since I've only ever used it and its ancestors, deleting an email
    merely copies a "deleted" email to the Trash "folder", and marks its source that
    it's been "deleted" so that it becomes invisible in the mailnews reader. It's the
    compacting process that actually frees disk space by removing the "deleted" emails. IOW, "deleting" an email roughly doubles the disk space it consumes until
    such time as compacting its source occurs, when both copies get removed from the
    storage system.

    As I'm up 24/7, I never bother going "offline" in SM.
    --
    Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion,
    based on faith, not based on science.

    Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

    Felix Miata

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  • From Bret Busby@21:1/5 to Chris M on Mon Jun 3 21:20:01 2024
    On 4/6/24 03:08, Chris M wrote:
    I am needing a "refresher course" on mail clients that use the .mbox
    format to store emails.
    It's been years since I've used this kind of mail client.

    Is there any "dangers" I need to know about? Like, keeping the mailbox a certain size?
    or a certain amount of emails per folder etc?

    The last client I used, before I went FULL TIME LINUX, was Eudora 7.1 on Windows 10. And you had
    to keep the .mbx files TINY TINY TINY or else, you'd face corruption.

    I always go offline, and then compact my folders after I get done
    reading emails.

    Right now my "2024 Archives" folder is at:

    Number Of Messages: 4776

    Size: 300 MB


    I do not know about the mbox file format in email applications, but, if
    you want a powerful email client, as I believe that I have previously
    stated, I use, for downloading, storing, and, archiving email, the most powerful email client that I have found - alpine, previously known as pine.

    The folder properties for the applicable stored messages folder, show
    "Total count of files: 13720
    Total size of files: 24.5GB"

    I think that I have a couple of hundred filters (it could be more),
    involving some thousands of filter parameter field values.



    ....
    Bret Busby
    Armadale
    Western Australia
    (UTC+0800)
    .................

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  • From Chris M@21:1/5 to Bret Busby on Mon Jun 3 21:30:01 2024
    Bret Busby wrote:
    On 4/6/24 03:08, Chris M wrote:
    I am needing a "refresher course" on mail clients that use the .mbox
    format to store emails.
    It's been years since I've used this kind of mail client.

    Is there any "dangers" I need to know about? Like, keeping the
    mailbox a certain size?
    or a certain amount of emails per folder etc?

    The last client I used, before I went FULL TIME LINUX, was Eudora 7.1
    on Windows 10. And you had
    to keep the .mbx files TINY TINY TINY or else, you'd face corruption.

    I always go offline, and then compact my folders after I get done
    reading emails.

    Right now my "2024 Archives" folder is at:

    Number Of Messages: 4776

    Size: 300 MB


    I do not know about the mbox file format in email applications, but,
    if you want a powerful email client, as I believe that I have
    previously stated, I use, for downloading, storing, and, archiving
    email, the most powerful email client that I have found - alpine,
    previously known as pine.

    The folder properties for the applicable stored messages folder, show
    "Total count of files: 13720
    Total size of files: 24.5GB"

    I think that I have a couple of hundred filters (it could be more),
    involving some thousands of filter parameter field values.



    ....
    Bret Busby
    Armadale
    Western Australia
    (UTC+0800)
    .................


    Hi Bret,

    I just googled Alpine and, as y'all say in Australia... CRIKEY! its a
    Terminal Email client that uses IMAP. interesting.


    ============================================================
    THANKS IN ADVANCE!

    CHRIS

    CHRIS@CWM030.COM

    * Lenovo ThinkCentre M710q*~~~* 1 TB SSD*~~~*15.5 GiB of ram*

    ~~* Q4OS Trinity Edition* ~~

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  • From eben@gmx.us@21:1/5 to James H. H. Lampert on Mon Jun 3 21:30:01 2024
    On 6/3/24 12:10, James H. H. Lampert wrote:
    (who still hasn't figured out why Ford named a car, and the Air Force named its demonstration team, after that same cheap wine)

    The USAF Thunderbirds predate Gallo Thunderbird by at least a year. They
    were founded in 1953, and the law allowing Gallo Thunderbird's creation
    wasn't passed until the next year. The wine was certainly out by 1957. The Ford Thunderbird _might_ predate the wine, since it came out in 1955. The email client though, no excuse for that one.

    https://drunkard.com/whats-the-word-thunderbird/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbird_(wine)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Air_Force_Thunderbirds

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Thunderbird

    --
    When I were a lad, if grandpa caught us double sigging,
    it's be straight to bed with no bread and butter
    after a good thrashing.
    -- Peter Radcliffe on ASR

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  • From debian-user@howorth.org.uk@21:1/5 to Chris M on Mon Jun 3 22:00:02 2024
    Chris M <CHRIS@CWM030.COM> wrote:
    I love Evolution and Claws to a point. Its a PITA to forward emails
    with HTML in them, like the Informed Delivery email I get each morning letting us know whats coming in the USPS that day.

    Claws forwards mails with a text/html part just fine. What's your actual problem with it?

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  • From Bret Busby@21:1/5 to eben@gmx.us on Mon Jun 3 21:50:01 2024
    On 4/6/24 03:25, eben@gmx.us wrote:
    On 6/3/24 12:10, James H. H. Lampert wrote:
    (who still hasn't figured out why Ford named a car, and the Air Force
    named
    its demonstration team, after that same cheap wine)

    The USAF Thunderbirds predate Gallo Thunderbird by at least a year.  They were founded in 1953, and the law allowing Gallo Thunderbird's creation wasn't passed until the next year.  The wine was certainly out by 1957.
    The
    Ford Thunderbird _might_ predate the wine, since it came out in 1955.  The email client though, no excuse for that one.


    But, do any of them, predate the real Thunderbirds, with Lady Penelope?

    ....
    Bret Busby
    Armadale
    Western Australia
    (UTC+0800)
    .................

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  • From Bret Busby@21:1/5 to Chris M on Mon Jun 3 22:10:01 2024
    On 4/6/24 03:26, Chris M wrote:

    <snip>

    Hi Bret,

    I just googled Alpine and, as y'all say in Australia... CRIKEY! i

    Funnily enough, I do not remember hearing anyone in Australia, say
    "crikey".

    Maybe some do, in the eastern states, but, I do not remember hearing the
    word (if it is a real word) being spoken, or, written, other it than
    being the name of an online political web site.

    ....
    Bret Busby
    Armadale
    Western Australia
    (UTC+0800)
    .................

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  • From Bret Busby@21:1/5 to Chris M on Mon Jun 3 22:00:02 2024
    On 4/6/24 03:26, Chris M wrote:
    Bret Busby wrote:
    On 4/6/24 03:08, Chris M wrote:
    I am needing a "refresher course" on mail clients that use the .mbox
    format to store emails.
    It's been years since I've used this kind of mail client.

    Is there any "dangers" I need to know about? Like, keeping the
    mailbox a certain size?
    or a certain amount of emails per folder etc?

    The last client I used, before I went FULL TIME LINUX, was Eudora 7.1
    on Windows 10. And you had
    to keep the .mbx files TINY TINY TINY or else, you'd face corruption.

    I always go offline, and then compact my folders after I get done
    reading emails.

    Right now my "2024 Archives" folder is at:

    Number Of Messages: 4776

    Size: 300 MB


    I do not know about the mbox file format in email applications, but,
    if you want a powerful email client, as I believe that I have
    previously stated, I use, for downloading, storing, and, archiving
    email, the most powerful email client that I have found - alpine,
    previously known as pine.

    The folder properties for the applicable stored messages folder, show
    "Total count of files: 13720
    Total size of files: 24.5GB"

    I think that I have a couple of hundred filters (it could be more),
    involving some thousands of filter parameter field values.



    ....
    Bret Busby
    Armadale
    Western Australia
    (UTC+0800)
    .................


    Hi Bret,

    I just googled Alpine and, as y'all say in Australia... CRIKEY! its a Terminal Email client that uses IMAP. interesting.



    And, in goggling alpine

    "
    Alpine supports IMAP, POP, SMTP, NNTP and LDAP protocols natively.
    Although it does not support composing HTML email, it can display emails
    that only have HTML content as text. Alpine can read and write to
    folders in several formats, including Maildir, mbox, the mh format used
    by the mh message handling system, mbx, and MIX.
    "
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpine_(email_client)

    So, it appears to be able to deal with your mbox thingy.

    alpine is available through synaptic, if you want to try it, and, the
    alpine mailing list includes the current named developer, and, others
    who are highly knowledgeable of alpine.

    And, alpine's predecessor, pine, has been around, and usable, since
    before the Internet.

    My current alpine email archive goes back more than 20 years. I was
    using pine (and elm) on an IBM 3081 mainframe, in the early 1990's.

    ....
    Bret Busby
    Armadale
    Western Australia
    (UTC+0800)
    .................

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  • From Chris M@21:1/5 to debian-user@howorth.org.uk on Mon Jun 3 22:40:01 2024
    debian-user@howorth.org.uk wrote:
    Chris M <CHRIS@CWM030.COM> wrote:
    I love Evolution and Claws to a point. Its a PITA to forward emails
    with HTML in them, like the Informed Delivery email I get each morning
    letting us know whats coming in the USPS that day.
    Claws forwards mails with a text/html part just fine. What's your actual problem with it?



    When the recipient gets the email it looks jumbled and like the days
    USPS mail scans are at the very bottom of the email. instead of under
    the right headers
     Its very weird looking. I would just about have to show you for you to
    get it.

    ============================================================
    THANKS IN ADVANCE!

    CHRIS

    CHRIS@CWM030.COM

    * Lenovo ThinkCentre M710q*~~~* 1 TB SSD*~~~*15.5 GiB of ram*

    ~~* Q4OS Trinity Edition* ~~

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  • From eben@gmx.us@21:1/5 to Bret Busby on Mon Jun 3 22:40:01 2024
    On 6/3/24 15:45, Bret Busby wrote:
    On 4/6/24 03:25, eben@gmx.us wrote:
    On 6/3/24 12:10, James H. H. Lampert wrote:
    (who still hasn't figured out why Ford named a car, and the Air Force
    named its demonstration team, after that same cheap wine)

    The USAF Thunderbirds predate Gallo Thunderbird by at least a year.
    They were founded in 1953, and the law allowing Gallo Thunderbird's
    creation wasn't passed until the next year. The wine was certainly out
    by 1957. The Ford Thunderbird _might_ predate the wine, since it came
    out in 1955. The email client though, no excuse for that one.


    But, do any of them, predate the real Thunderbirds, with Lady Penelope?

    You mean this series?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbirds_(TV_series)

    Looks like it came out in 1964, so the USAF team, wine, and car did. It's probable Gallo Thunderbird was fairly unknown in 1960s UK, so they're off
    the hook.

    --
    Save the willing first.
    -- a friend of Traveling-Techie on Reddit

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  • From Chris M@21:1/5 to Bret Busby on Mon Jun 3 22:40:01 2024
    Bret Busby wrote:
    alpine is available through synaptic, if you want to try it,

    Hi Bret,

    So you use POP 3 too huh, if your archive goes back 20 years?

    I installed ALPINE and couldn't get it to connect to my server. I just
    kept getting " INVALID PASSWORD"

    Even though I watched a Youtube video and followed their directions to a T.

    imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=chris

    I tried with an app password, still errored.

    Then I tried:

    imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=chris@cwm030.com

    used the same app password

    FAILED.

    Tried typing the password in manually.

    FAILED.

    Then I tried imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=FASTMAILUSERNAME

    Typed in password.

    FAILED

    Then I tried imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=FMUSERNAME@FASTMAIL.COM

    Typed in password by hand

    FAILED.

    * shrugs*

    ============================================================
    THANKS IN ADVANCE!

    CHRIS

    CHRIS@CWM030.COM

    * Lenovo ThinkCentre M710q*~~~* 1 TB SSD*~~~*15.5 GiB of ram*

    ~~* Q4OS Trinity Edition* ~~

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  • From fxkl47BF@protonmail.com@21:1/5 to Bret Busby on Mon Jun 3 23:10:01 2024
    On Tue, 4 Jun 2024, Bret Busby wrote:

    On 4/6/24 03:26, Chris M wrote:
    Bret Busby wrote:
    On 4/6/24 03:08, Chris M wrote:
    I am needing a "refresher course" on mail clients that use the .mbox
    format to store emails.
    It's been years since I've used this kind of mail client.

    Is there any "dangers" I need to know about? Like, keeping the
    mailbox a certain size?
    or a certain amount of emails per folder etc?

    The last client I used, before I went FULL TIME LINUX, was Eudora 7.1
    on Windows 10. And you had
    to keep the .mbx files TINY TINY TINY or else, you'd face corruption.

    I always go offline, and then compact my folders after I get done
    reading emails.

    Right now my "2024 Archives" folder is at:

    Number Of Messages: 4776

    Size: 300 MB


    I do not know about the mbox file format in email applications, but,
    if you want a powerful email client, as I believe that I have
    previously stated, I use, for downloading, storing, and, archiving
    email, the most powerful email client that I have found - alpine,
    previously known as pine.

    The folder properties for the applicable stored messages folder, show
    "Total count of files: 13720
    Total size of files: 24.5GB"

    I think that I have a couple of hundred filters (it could be more),
    involving some thousands of filter parameter field values.



    ....
    Bret Busby
    Armadale
    Western Australia
    (UTC+0800)
    .................


    Hi Bret,

    I just googled Alpine and, as y'all say in Australia... CRIKEY! its a
    Terminal Email client that uses IMAP. interesting.



    And, in goggling alpine

    "
    Alpine supports IMAP, POP, SMTP, NNTP and LDAP protocols natively.
    Although it does not support composing HTML email, it can display emails
    that only have HTML content as text. Alpine can read and write to
    folders in several formats, including Maildir, mbox, the mh format used
    by the mh message handling system, mbx, and MIX.
    "
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpine_(email_client)

    So, it appears to be able to deal with your mbox thingy.

    alpine is available through synaptic, if you want to try it, and, the
    alpine mailing list includes the current named developer, and, others
    who are highly knowledgeable of alpine.

    And, alpine's predecessor, pine, has been around, and usable, since
    before the Internet.

    My current alpine email archive goes back more than 20 years. I was
    using pine (and elm) on an IBM 3081 mainframe, in the early 1990's.

    i started using pine in the 90's on hpux
    still using alpine and no problems

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  • From Bret Busby@21:1/5 to Chris M on Mon Jun 3 23:10:01 2024
    On 4/6/24 04:34, Chris M wrote:
    Bret Busby wrote:
    alpine is available through synaptic, if you want to try it,

    Hi Bret,

    So you use POP 3 too huh, if your archive goes back 20 years?

    I installed ALPINE and couldn't get it to connect to my server. I just
    kept getting " INVALID PASSWORD"

    Even though I watched a Youtube video and followed their directions to a T.

    imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=chris

    I tried with an app password, still errored.

    Then I tried:

    imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=chris@cwm030.com

    used the same app password

    FAILED.

    Tried typing the password in manually.

    FAILED.

    Then I tried imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=FASTMAILUSERNAME

    Typed in password.

    FAILED

    Then I tried imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=FMUSERNAME@FASTMAIL.COM

    Typed in password by hand

    FAILED.

    * shrugs*


    Here is a suggestion for you...

    1. Visit http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info

    2. Subscribe.

    3. Forward the above message to the list, and ask why you cannot log in.

    :)

    Oh, and, let us know the outcome...

    ....
    Bret Busby
    Armadale
    Western Australia
    (UTC+0800)
    .................

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  • From Bret Busby@21:1/5 to eben@gmx.us on Mon Jun 3 23:40:02 2024
    On 4/6/24 04:30, eben@gmx.us wrote:
    On 6/3/24 15:45, Bret Busby wrote:
    On 4/6/24 03:25, eben@gmx.us wrote:
    On 6/3/24 12:10, James H. H. Lampert wrote:
    (who still hasn't figured out why Ford named a car, and the Air Force
    named its demonstration team, after that same cheap wine)

    The USAF Thunderbirds predate Gallo Thunderbird by at least a year.
    They were founded in 1953, and the law allowing Gallo Thunderbird's
    creation wasn't passed until the next year.  The wine was certainly out >>> by 1957. The Ford Thunderbird _might_ predate the wine, since it came
    out in 1955.  The email client though, no excuse for that one.


    But, do any of them, predate the real Thunderbirds, with Lady Penelope?

    You mean this series?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbirds_(TV_series)

    "Supermarionation"

    ?

    A country of Super Mario's?

    ARRRRRRGH!


    ....
    Bret Busby
    Armadale
    Western Australia
    (UTC+0800)
    .................

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  • From Chris M@21:1/5 to Felix Miata on Tue Jun 4 00:20:02 2024
    Felix Miata wrote:
    As I'm up 24/7, I never bother going "offline" in SM.


    What I meant was, I always click in SM:

    File > Offline > Work Offline

    That way SM isn't doing anything in the background while I am compacting folders. OLD bad habit, I know.


    ============================================================
    THANKS IN ADVANCE!

    CHRIS

    CHRIS@CWM030.COM

    * Lenovo ThinkCentre M710q*~~~* 1 TB SSD*~~~*15.5 GiB of ram*

    ~~* Q4OS Trinity Edition* ~~

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  • From Greg Wooledge@21:1/5 to Bret Busby on Tue Jun 4 00:20:01 2024
    On Tue, Jun 04, 2024 at 03:45:11AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
    On 4/6/24 03:25, eben@gmx.us wrote:
    On 6/3/24 12:10, James H. H. Lampert wrote:
    (who still hasn't figured out why Ford named a car, and the Air
    Force named
    its demonstration team, after that same cheap wine)

    The USAF Thunderbirds predate Gallo Thunderbird by at least a year.  They were founded in 1953, and the law allowing Gallo Thunderbird's creation wasn't passed until the next year.  The wine was certainly out by 1957.
    The
    Ford Thunderbird _might_ predate the wine, since it came out in 1955.  The email client though, no excuse for that one.


    But, do any of them, predate the real Thunderbirds, with Lady Penelope?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbird_(mythology)

    The thunderbird is a legendary creature particular to North American
    indigenous peoples' history and culture. It is considered a supernatural
    being of power and strength.

    I'm pretty sure this one wins the age contest.

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  • From Charles Curley@21:1/5 to eben@gmx.us on Tue Jun 4 00:50:02 2024
    On Mon, 3 Jun 2024 15:25:12 -0400
    eben@gmx.us wrote:

    The USAF Thunderbirds predate Gallo Thunderbird by at least a year.
    They were founded in 1953, and the law allowing Gallo Thunderbird's
    creation wasn't passed until the next year. The wine was certainly
    out by 1957. The Ford Thunderbird _might_ predate the wine, since it
    came out in 1955. The email client though, no excuse for that one.

    Possibly sore or all of the various Thunderbirds out there were named
    for the Native American mythological creatures called thunderbirds.


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  • From Curt@21:1/5 to Chris M on Thu Jun 6 18:10:01 2024
    On 2024-06-03, Chris M <CHRIS@CWM030.COM> wrote:

    Thunderbird is the name of a cheap wine?


    A mutt is a mongrel dog, if that adds anything to the conversation.

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