Tell that to your mail program. If it chooses to show you the mail that way, >> don't blame me.
- insisting on an "industry standard" mail style
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-famil=
y:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Tell that to your mail progra=
-------------------------------^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I would add that it's up to the *sender* mail program to send text only
mail to this list (and others).
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-famil=
y:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Tell that to your mail progra=
-------------------------------^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I would add that it's up to the *sender* mail program to send text only
mail to this list (and others). As the html part is useless and multiply
the mail size by almost 10.
On 4/7/24 17:13, Roger Price wrote:
The Debian mailing list Code of Conduct at https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/
is clear:
« Please don't send your messages in HTML; use plain text instead »
I presume there is some compelling reason that the mailing list doesn't filter html emails and only resend the text only version?
On 4/7/24 18:34, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
But let me try: perhaps because the people who set up the mailing
list don't believe in enforcing behavior by technological means,
but rather by convincing people?
If I understand the history correctly:
- All early email lists were text only
- After some long time people started sending mixed format emails to lists
- Shortly afterwards list administrators asked people to not send mixed format emails
- Since then people either in ignorance of list etiquette or ignorance
of their mailer properties kept on sending mixed format emails to lists
The problem is mostly because users have email software that
automatically uses mixed format. That's not their fault as they are
probably unaware of the problem.
List administrators have the ability to ban users who violate etiquette
and in this list actively do so. Banning a user for using mixed format
in violation of list etiquette is obviously not an option.
Unless there is a compelling reason to accept mixed format ( HTML ) I
can't see why the list can't filter submissions to text only - which is
the list policy anyway - and by doing so provide education to users
about what the list format is.
Unless there is a compelling reason to accept mixed format ( HTML ) I can't see why the list can't filter submissions to text only - which is the list policy anyway - and by doing so provide education to users about what the list format is.
The problem is mostly because users have email software that automatically uses mixed format. That's not their fault as they are probably unaware of the problem.
Unless there is a compelling reason to accept mixed format ( HTML ) I can't see why the list can't filter submissions to text only - which is the list policy anyway - and by doing so provide education to users about what the list
format is.
Regrettably the list archives seem to have a preference for publishing
the HTML version of list mails. At least i see two different fonts in
an archived mail of Richard:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2024/07/msg00124.html
If you ever want to be taken seriously, stop spreading such bogus nonsense. Even base64 encoding wouldn't blow up the size that much. No idea what bs mail you are talking about, but for me, both the plain text and html
version are said to be 4k in size (by du). Even though that's not that
exact, simple logic is enough to be able to tell your claim is pretty much impossible.
Best
On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 3:43 PM Michel Verdier <mv524@free.fr> wrote:
As the html part is useless and multiply
the mail size by almost 10.
Right, because 4x = 10x. Jesus, stop being so ridiculous. Also, there's
some magic trick called compression. Human readable text is especially easy to compress, basically negating all those effects. So just stick to
reality, everything else is just embarrassing.
Compression reduces the size but it's proportionnal so don't negate the
extra html size. The global size will always be 4-10x.
You really need to better read who writes what. I didn't start the
discussion on message sizes due to HTML, I simply ended it because of irrelevance.
And who was talking about transport? The whole discussion was about
storage, and storing mail compressed is hardly a security issue.
I'm not able to read this message.
On Fri, 2024-07-05 at 14:01 +0200, Richard wrote:Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion,
You really need to better read who writes what. I didn't start the
discussion on message sizes due to HTML, I simply ended it because of
irrelevance.
On Fri, Jul 5, 2024 at 1:30 PM Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> wrote:
[...]Â you chose to shift the topic to message
sizes (which isn't the primary reason HTML email is frowned upon)
[...]--
On Fri, 2024-07-05 at 14:07 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
I'm not able to read this message.
Can you suggest to us why you think that might be?
Because the message was composed in html using a very small font, and
my mail reader (evolution) automatically prefers to read mail in html.
I've never before had to make an explicit request to the mail reader to switch to plain text, so I haven't taken the trouble to work out how to
do it. It's easier to ignore messages that are either incompetently or intentionally composed so as to be unreadable without special actions
taken by the recipients.
It's not my responsibility to deal with messages the senders aren't
serious about being read.
I know what to do to read messages with tiny fonts -- if I can see
enough of it to decide they're interesting.
So far, only one correspondent, whom I have by-and-large concluded
doesn't have anything interesting to way.
What I'm offering to those who send messages that they seriously
consider to be worth reading: You ought to make them readable. If you
make it hard for recipients to read them, they'll ignore your wisdom.
FWIW to any not familiar with how email was 30+ years ago, M$ and Win95 seem to be
the root blame for the practice of both use of not only HTML for email by default,
but also of defaulting to imposition of a smaller than default font size in those
HTML emails, apparently to match what web designers were doing, making email mousetype similar to the web page mousetype those eagle-eyed designers were fond
of imposing on everyone in the days before zoom was invented.
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