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This is a testmail!

From Hans@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 4 13:20:01 2024

Hi folks,

this is a testmail, because I got some trouble with the mailingist. As
reported before, I get all ,mails from debian-user@lists.debian.org with
tagged with *****SPAM**** added to the subject. This is because of some DKIM failure, as reported before. As I could fix this by setting a special rule for this mailaddresse in spamassassin, I know dicovered another issue.

When I am sending a mail to the list, it looks like the subject is completely replaced with only "*****SPAM*****".

I would like to know, when this happens. Either during the transfer from me to the debian server, or when it is sent from the debian server to me.

This mail has the subject "This is a testmail!".

It would be nice, if someone could tell me, if this mail is tagged with "****SPAM****" somewhere and if the subject is removed or not.

This behaviour appeared suddenly several months ago and I do not know, what, might have changed since then.

Thank you for your help.

Best regards

Hans

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From The Wanderer@21:1/5 to Hans on Thu Jul 4 13:30:02 2024

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On 2024-07-04 at 07:14, Hans wrote:

Hi folks,

this is a testmail, because I got some trouble with the mailingist.
As reported before, I get all ,mails from
debian-user@lists.debian.org with tagged with *****SPAM**** added to
the subject. This is because of some DKIM failure, as reported
before. As I could fix this by setting a special rule for this
mailaddresse in spamassassin, I know dicovered another issue.

When I am sending a mail to the list, it looks like the subject is
completely replaced with only "*****SPAM*****".

I have not noticed this, but I'll admit that I have not been reading
every thread, so it's possible it might have been in the depths of a
thread which I was not reading.

I would like to know, when this happens. Either during the transfer
from me to the debian server, or when it is sent from the debian
server to me.

This mail has the subject "This is a testmail!".

It would be nice, if someone could tell me, if this mail is tagged
with "****SPAM****" somewhere

It does not appear to be, unless these occurrences of that string in the
*body* of the message count.

and if the subject is removed or not.

It was not. I have not, that I'm aware of, seen that happen.

Also, looking at the message headers, I see what appear to be multiple indications that DKIM validation passed.

--
The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw

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From CToID@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 4 13:50:02 2024

Subject and the content LGTM.
--
Best,
ID

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From Roger Price@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 4 14:10:01 2024

Hi, this what I received from you. Cheers, Roger

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Hi folks,

this is a testmail, because I got some trouble with the mailingist. As
reported before, I get all ,mails from debian-user@lists.debian.org with
tagged with *****SPAM**** added to the subject. This is because of some DKIM failure, as reported before. As I could fix this by setting a special rule for this mailaddresse in spamassassin, I know dicovered another issue.

When I am sending a mail to the list, it looks like the subject is completely replaced with only "*****SPAM*****".

I would like to know, when this happens. Either during the transfer from me to the debian server, or when it is sent from the debian server to me.

This mail has the subject "This is a testmail!".

It would be nice, if someone could tell me, if this mail is tagged with "****SPAM****" somewhere and if the subject is removed or not.

This behaviour appeared suddenly several months ago and I do not know, what, might have changed since then.

Thank you for your help.

Best regards

Hans

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From Hans@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 4 14:00:01 2024

Hmm, this is strange. Maybe I wrote my testmail from scratch.

This one is a reply as it have been, when the issue appeared.

Strangely my own testmail appeared without the SPAM tag this time.

Maybe there is a difference, if I am using a reply mail.

I will watch this and search for more information.

Hope, not everyone is replying now, only one feedback is enough.

Thanks for help though.

Best

Hans

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From Roger Price@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 4 14:30:01 2024

My apologies for flooding the list with what should have been a private mailing. Roger

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From Hans@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 4 14:30:01 2024

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

Me again, sorry.

Now I got my last mail back with the spam tag!

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From: Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de>
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<body>Me again, sorry.
 
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Am Donnerstag, 4. Juli 2024, 13:58:07 CEST schrieb Hans:
Answering myself: 
 
At the moment everything is looking fine.
 
Maybe after the big issue yesterday, the mail admins somewhere in the world 
have fixed the problem? Dunno. Whatever, strange..... 
 
I will watch this in the future.
 
Let's close this issue for now, so that this list is not too much filled with 
unusefull spam. 
 
However, if this issue appears again, I will allow myself to ask again for 
help. 
Thank you all for your quick response!
 
Best regards
 
Hans 
> Hmm, this is strange. Maybe I wrote my testmail from scratch.
> > This one is a reply as it have been, when the issue appeared.
> > Strangely my own testmail appeared without the SPAM tag this time.
> > Maybe there is a difference, if I am using a reply mail.
> > I will watch this and search for more information.
> > Hope, not everyone is replying now, only one feedback is enough.
> > Thanks for help though.
> > Best
> > Hans
 
<hr />
 
Looks like it is some DKIM problem. Maybe this is related to, which way my mail goes.
 However, let us close this issue for now. There is even no way, I myself can fix this. I suppose, if Debian admins are responsible, they might read here or may not. But all in
all, as I can do nothing, this issue is closed for me.
 Happy hacking!
 Hans
  
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From Thomas Hochstein@21:1/5 to Hans on Thu Jul 4 19:20:02 2024

Hans wrote:

Now I got my last mail back with the spam tag!

That's very surprising.

X-Spam-Flag: YES
X-SPAM-FACTOR: DKIM
Authentication-Results: mail39c50.megamailservers.eu;
dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key)
header.d=megamailservers.eu header.i=@megamailservers.eu header.b="QLjumGn/"

I have absolutely no idea where that spam flag may be coming from.
It's a mystery.

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From The Wanderer@21:1/5 to Thomas Hochstein on Thu Jul 4 21:00:02 2024

This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156)
On 2024-07-04 at 12:59, Thomas Hochstein wrote:

Hans wrote:

Now I got my last mail back with the spam tag!

That's very surprising.

X-Spam-Flag: YES
X-SPAM-FACTOR: DKIM
Authentication-Results: mail39c50.megamailservers.eu;
dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key)
header.d=megamailservers.eu header.i=@megamailservers.eu header.b="QLjumGn/"

I have absolutely no idea where that spam flag may be coming from.
It's a mystery.

Perhaps even more interestingly, I see the following, in the ARC-Authentication-Results header in three mails from Hans in this
thread. (This is not the same as the Authentication-Results header, such
as you quoted, of which there appear to be four in each mail.)

The one which was sent as a reply to my mail has:

dkim=pass (1024-bit rsa key sha256) header.d=megamailservers.eu
header.i=@megamailservers.eu header.b=QOWbQzHX header.a=rsa-sha256
header.s=maildub

The one with the [SOLVED] tag, which was a reply to the previous, has:

dkim=fail (message has been altered, 1024-bit rsa key sha256)
header.d=megamailservers.eu header.i=@megamailservers.eu
header.b=QLjumGn/ header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=maildub

The one you were replying to has:

dkim=fail (message has been altered, 1024-bit rsa key sha256)
header.d=megamailservers.eu header.i=@megamailservers.eu
header.b=r8P8m4Og header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=maildub

Perhaps interestingly (or perhaps not), that last one appears to be
multipart MIME (one part with HTML and one part plain-text), whereas the
other two appear to be plain-text-only.

(I am not entirely certain which mail is the one from which Hans quoted
a set of headers. Those headers include a Subject: line with the
[SOLVED] tag, of which I've received only one message thus far via the
list in this thread; however, the headers in that mail as I received it
do not appear to *remotely* match the ones Hans quoted, enough so that I
am not confident of them being the same message. If they are, then that
might narrow down the places where the failure could be being
introduced.)

So we have three at least visible scenarios in just this thread: plain
text with DKIM pass, plain text with DKIM fail, and multipart MIME with
DKIM fail.

Hans, are you certain you composed those three messages the same way,
using the same interface of the same program, and sent them the same
way?

--
The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw

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From The Wanderer@21:1/5 to Hans on Thu Jul 4 21:40:02 2024

This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156)
On 2024-07-04 at 15:25, Hans wrote:

Hi The Wanderer,

Hans, are you certain you composed those three messages the same
way, using the same interface of the same program, and sent them
the same way?

No, the first mail was created natively (= a new mail),

To clarify: the mail I listed first was the one which you wrote as a
reply to me, not the mail with which you started this thread. So both
that *and* the one after it were replies, but the one got a pass and the
other didn't.

the one with the "[SOLVED] in the subject was a reply to someones
mail from the list and the last mail was also a reply this time of my
of my own.

It looks like replying to soemone (my normal behaviour) is causing
this issue.

Except that the reply to my previous message did not get the issue.

(FWIW, your most recent reply - which is also a reply to a mail from me
- does have the "DKIM fail" header information.)

And it looks like, that I am getting the SPAM tag, not you.

That much does seem to be the case, yes.

Some minutes ago I informed megamailservers.eu of my problem and sent
them the mail with the headers, i sent here, too.

Hopefully I will get some response.

The strange thing is,this issue suddenly apeared from nowhere. I have
nothing changed here (except of upgrades). I am running debian
bookworm and my mail client is kmail. But that should not be the
problem.

I do agree that, as I think I've seen suggested in previous threads, the
most likely culprit here is your mail provider having changed something. Hopefully the inquiry you've started with them will bear fruit; if it
does not, you may want to look into changing providers. (I can recommend Fastmail, for whatever that's worth.)

--
The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw

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From Hans@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 4 21:30:03 2024

Hi The Wanderer,

Hans, are you certain you composed those three messages the same way,
using the same interface of the same program, and sent them the same
way?

No, the first mail was created natively (= a new mail), the one with the "[SOLVED] in the subject was a reply to someones mail from the list and the last mail was also a reply this time of my of my own.

It looks like replying to soemone (my normal behaviour) is causing this issue. And it looks like, that I am getting the SPAM tag, not you.

Some minutes ago I informed megamailservers.eu of my problem and sent them the mail with the headers, i sent here, too.

Hopefully I will get some response.

The strange thing is,this issue suddenly apeared from nowhere. I have nothing changed here (except of upgrades). I am running debian bookworm and my mail client is kmail. But that should not be the problem.

Best

Hans

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From Detlef Vollmann@21:1/5 to Hans on Thu Jul 4 23:00:02 2024

Isn't this the usual DKIM problem with lists?
The From: has @loop.de, but the sender and DKIM signature
is from lists.debian.org.

That's why most lists these days rewrite the From: header.

Detlef

On 7/4/24 14:24, Hans wrote:

Me again, sorry.

Now I got my last mail back with the spam tag!

Subject:
Re: *****SPAM***** [SOLVED] Re: This is a testmail!

This is the header:

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From Jeff Pang@21:1/5 to Detlef Vollmann on Fri Jul 5 00:30:01 2024

I didn’t chech the header.
But loop.de should have its own signature.
Debian list server rewrite envelope address to list adress due to SRS requirements.
But message header address is not changed as well as message body
(debian list seems not modifying message body), so DKIM for loop.de will
be valid, then DMARC for loop.de will pass as well.

On 2024-07-05 04:54, Detlef Vollmann wrote:

Isn't this the usual DKIM problem with lists?
The From: has @loop.de, but the sender and DKIM signature
is from lists.debian.org.

That's why most lists these days rewrite the From: header.

Detlef

On 7/4/24 14:24, Hans wrote:

Me again, sorry.

Now I got my last mail back with the spam tag!

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