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  • Re: Results of Testmail_1-3

    From The Wanderer@21:1/5 to Hans on Thu Jul 4 22:20:01 2024
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    On 2024-07-04 at 16:12, Hans wrote:

    So, these are th eresults:

    1. A new created maiil does not have a spam tag.

    2. Reply to my own mail does also not have a spam tag.

    3. Reply to any user mail DOES have a spam tag.

    So it looks like there is something , which some mailservers do not
    like.

    As I am sending only text from me, seldom the text of the users, I
    suppose, there is something in the header of the mail, which causes
    this issue.

    I suppose, I can do nothing else but create a new mail and copy and
    paste from the received mail of the user. This should avoid the spam
    tag.

    That will break threading, though, unless you manually set up your reply
    to include In-Reply-To: and/or References: headers with proper contents
    (which will depend on the message you're replying to). And for all we
    know, doing that might bring the problem back.

    Weired thing at all.....

    I would really recommend pursuing the cause with your mail provider, and
    if they don't/won't fix it, considering switching mail providers.

    --
    The Wanderer

    The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
    persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
    progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw


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  • From Hans@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 4 22:20:01 2024
    So, these are th eresults:

    1. A new created maiil does not have a spam tag.

    2. Reply to my own mail does also not have a spam tag.

    3. Reply to any user mail DOES have a spam tag.

    So it looks like there is something , which some mailservers do not like.

    As I am sending only text from me, seldom the text of the users, I suppose, there is something in the header of the mail, which causes this issue.

    I suppose, I can do nothing else but create a new mail and copy and paste from the received mail of the user. This should avoid the spam tag.

    Weired thing at all.....

    Hans

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  • From Dan Purgert@21:1/5 to Hans on Thu Jul 4 23:20:02 2024
    On Jul 04, 2024, Hans wrote:
    So, these are th eresults:

    1. A new created maiil does not have a spam tag.

    2. Reply to my own mail does also not have a spam tag.

    3. Reply to any user mail DOES have a spam tag.

    So it looks like there is something , which some mailservers do not like.


    Looking at your "test3" mail that you replied (and got ***SPAM*** on); I
    see the following details (and a score of -5.8 vs. a target of 4.0)

    tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,
    MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_NONE,URIBL_BLOCKED


    The "DNSWL_HI" is the big help there, having a value of "-5". But even
    without that, from the look of things, your message would only be about
    a 0.2 thanks to the DKIM checks.

    DKIM_INVALID => 0.1
    DKIM_SIGNED => 0.1

    Note -- checked on spamassassin 3.4.6 running on Bullseye.

    HTH

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  • From Michael =?utf-8?B?S2rDtnJsaW5n?=@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 4 23:30:02 2024
    On 4 Jul 2024 22:12 +0200, from hans.ullrich@loop.de (Hans):
    Weired thing at all.....

    This "testing" of yours, so far, involves about two dozen emails, each
    of which sent to about 3000 people. (Yes, I realize that I'm adding to
    the deluge; I do apologize. This will be my _only_ one in this thread.)

    Seriously, do all the about 3000 subscribers to debian-user (plus the
    about 500 who are subscribed to the digest version of the list)
    _really_ need to take part in your testing? Do the list archives
    really need to be cluttered up with all this, which has nothing
    whatsoever to do with Debian even in the slightest and is of _no_
    general interest to the Debian users community? Could you not have
    determined by looking at the publicly accessible archives that
    whatever mangling you might be seeing almost certainly does _not_
    happen before a problematic email reaches the list server?

    --
    Michael Kjörling 🔗 https://michael.kjorling.se “Remember when, on the Internet, nobody cared that you were a dog?”

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