• Installing current i386 Debian on OLD syst W/O CD/DVD drive

    From Richard Owlett@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 1 14:50:01 2024
    I have an elderly Sony laptop and a more ancient desktop with unknown motherboard happily running i386 Debian 9.0. As far as I can tell the
    BIOS of neither machine supports booting from a flash drive. Neither has functional CD/DVD drive. Both hard drives have copious free space.

    Both machines have internet access.
    Though this machine is 64Bit capable and bootable from flash, it does
    not have adequate free space for an additional OS.

    Are there documented install instructions covering machines described in
    first paragraph?

    TIA

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  • From George at Clug@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 1 15:30:01 2024
    Richard,

    Are both of your computers (laptop and desktop) 64 bit capable?  Not
    that this matters too much to my below suggestion.

    This might help you if you can remove the drives from the laptop
    and/or desktop. 


    I often take a drive out of a computer, then put the drive into a
    computer that can boot from a installation DVD or can boot from a USB
    install memory drive. 


    Then I install a my Debian installation selecting to install "all
    drivers" and not just drivers for this computer.


    After the installation, using "apt install [package]", I also
    install  most free and non-free firmware (particularly video and
    networking), then I put the drive back into the original computer, and
    boot up.



    (Note: Sometimes I have issues with Nvidia graphic's cards, and after
    booting up I have to press Alt-F2 to log in as root and then run any
    commands to specifically install or uninstall video drivers)


    After booting up, I run:
    # update-initramfs -u # update-grub
    And reboot again.


    This process may not always work, but in most cases it has helped me
    out.

    George.







    On Thursday, 01-08-2024 at 22:41 Richard Owlett wrote:
    I have an elderly Sony laptop and a more ancient desktop with
    unknown
    motherboard happily running i386 Debian 9.0. As far as I can tell
    the
    BIOS of neither machine supports booting from a flash drive. Neither
    has
    functional CD/DVD drive. Both hard drives have copious free space.

    Both machines have internet access.
    Though this machine is 64Bit capable and bootable from flash, it
    does
    not have adequate free space for an additional OS.

    Are there documented install instructions covering machines
    described in
    first paragraph?

    TIA





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    <body>Richard,<br>

    Are both of your computers (laptop and desktop) 64 bit capable?&nbsp;&nbsp;Not that this matters too much to my below suggestion.<br>
    <br><div>
    This might help you if you can remove the drives from the laptop and/or desktop.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>I often take a drive out of a computer, then put the drive into a computer that can boot from a installation DVD or can boot from a USB
    install memory drive.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Then I install a my Debian installation selecting to install "all drivers" and not just drivers for this computer.</div><div><br></div><div>After the installation, using "apt install [package]", I also
    install&nbsp; most free and non-free firmware (particularly video and networking), then I put the drive back into the original computer, and boot up. <br></div><div><br></div><div>(Note: Sometimes I have issues with Nvidia graphic's cards, and after
    booting up I have to press Alt-F2 to log in as root and then run any commands to
    specifically install or uninstall video drivers)</div><div><br></div><div>After booting up, I run:</div><div><pre><code># update-initramfs -u
    # update-grub</code></pre></div><div>
    And reboot again.</div><div><br></div><div>This process may not always work, but in most cases it has helped me out.</div><div><br>George.</div><div><br></div>





    On Thursday, 01-08-2024 at 22:41 Richard Owlett wrote:<br>
    &gt; I have an elderly Sony laptop and a more ancient desktop with unknown <br> &gt; motherboard happily running i386 Debian 9.0. As far as I can tell the <br> &gt; BIOS of neither machine supports booting from a flash drive. Neither has <br>
    &gt; functional CD/DVD drive. Both hard drives have copious free space.<br> &gt; <br>
    &gt; Both machines have internet access.<br>
    &gt; Though this machine is 64Bit capable and bootable from flash, it does <br> &gt; not have adequate free space for an additional OS.<br>
    &gt; <br>
    &gt; Are there documented install instructions covering machines described in <br>
    &gt; first paragraph?<br>
    &gt; <br>
    &gt; TIA<br>
    &gt; <br>
    &gt; <br>
    &gt; <br>
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  • From Andy Smith@21:1/5 to Richard Owlett on Thu Aug 1 15:30:02 2024
    Hi,

    On Thu, Aug 01, 2024 at 07:41:53AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
    I have an elderly Sony laptop and a more ancient desktop with unknown motherboard happily running i386 Debian 9.0. As far as I can tell the BIOS
    of neither machine supports booting from a flash drive. Neither has functional CD/DVD drive. Both hard drives have copious free space.

    I would shrink the partition and then use debootstrap to install
    Debian in new partition in the available space, from the running
    Debian 9.

    Since you say it has a 64-bit capable CPU I'd make sure to install
    amd64 though, as i686 Debian probably only has one more release
    where it's available for booting, maybe not even that.

    https://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap

    If the partition juggling here is too tricky, maybe you could:

    - take a drive out of one of them and put it into the other

    - debootstrap onto that new drive from the other's running Debian 9

    - Remove the drive and put it back in the computer it came from,
    where it now boots Debian 12

    - Once you're satisfied it's working, remove drive from the
    remaining old machine and do it all over again.

    Even though you say your machines can't boot from USB and have no
    optical drive, it seems likely that there would be a place inside
    them to attach another SATA drive which the Debian 9 would then see
    without any difficulty.

    Thanks,
    Andy

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  • From Andy Smith@21:1/5 to DdB on Thu Aug 1 15:40:01 2024
    Hi,

    On Thu, Aug 01, 2024 at 03:35:38PM +0200, DdB wrote:
    i recommend installing from netinstall iso image using the
    hd-media files to boot the installer using grub stanza (or
    manually). Description in the manual is a bit short, but you can
    ask me, if you need.

    Oh yes, great suggestion! I should have thought of just downloading
    an installer and booting it from existing install's grub.

    Thanks,
    Andy

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  • From Anssi Saari@21:1/5 to Richard Owlett on Thu Aug 1 15:40:01 2024
    Richard Owlett <rowlett@access.net> writes:

    I have an elderly Sony laptop and a more ancient desktop with unknown motherboard happily running i386 Debian 9.0. As far as I can tell the
    BIOS of neither machine supports booting from a flash drive. Neither
    has functional CD/DVD drive. Both hard drives have copious free space.

    Both machines have internet access.
    Though this machine is 64Bit capable and bootable from flash, it does
    not have adequate free space for an additional OS.

    Maybe fix that space issue then?

    Are there documented install instructions covering machines described
    in first paragraph?

    See https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.en.html for booting
    the installer from a hard disk.

    Come to think of it, grub supports booting ISO images and to make it
    easy, you could install grml-rescueboot and boot a grml image and use grml-debootstrap to install Debian.

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  • From Richard Owlett@21:1/5 to Richard Owlett on Thu Aug 1 17:30:01 2024
    On 08/01/2024 07:41 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
    I have an elderly Sony laptop and a more ancient desktop with unknown motherboard happily running i386 Debian 9.0. As far as I can tell the
    BIOS of neither machine supports booting from a flash drive. Neither has functional CD/DVD drive. Both hard drives have copious free space.

    Both machines have 32bit only hardware.


    Both machines have internet access.
    Though this machine is 64Bit capable

    I.E. has a 64bit processor capable of running 32bit software.
    It currently runs i386 Debian 9.13 .

    and bootable from flash, it does not have adequate free space for an additional OS.

    No sane person messes with OPERABLE system unless ABSOLUTELY *REQUIRED*!
    I date from era of 12AX7s and routine IO devices were 026s and KSR35s.
    Have been using Debian since Squeeze.
    At 80+ I've learned to ask first when in doubt ;}!


    Are there documented install instructions covering machines described in first paragraph?

    TIA





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  • From Andy Smith@21:1/5 to Richard Owlett on Thu Aug 1 17:40:02 2024
    Hi,

    On Thu, Aug 01, 2024 at 10:22:13AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
    On 08/01/2024 07:41 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
    I have an elderly Sony laptop and a more ancient desktop with unknown motherboard happily running i386 Debian 9.0. As far as I can tell the
    BIOS of neither machine supports booting from a flash drive. Neither has functional CD/DVD drive. Both hard drives have copious free space.

    Both machines have 32bit only hardware.

    Which part of the hardware is 32-bit only? You said the CPUs support
    64-bit, and that's normally all that matters.

    and bootable from flash, it does not have adequate free space for an additional OS.

    No sane person messes with OPERABLE system unless ABSOLUTELY *REQUIRED*!

    Why are you asking about upgrading it if you don't want to mess with
    the currently-installed system?

    Thanks,
    Andy

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