Hi, I got a new-to-me EVGA Nvidia GTX 970. I understand the Nouveau driver handles this card. Is this correct?

If so, do I just install the packages, install the card, tell the BIOS to
use it, power off, move the monitors, and that's it? With the card
connected, I can log in from console, but X won't run.

Also Grub gets a different video mode, maybe 24x80 instead of so tiny as to
be nearly illegible. Probably fine. Yeah I could probably change it if I wanted. I did change the console.

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On 2024-08-06 13:11 -0400, Eben King wrote:

Hi, I got a new-to-me EVGA Nvidia GTX 970. I understand the Nouveau driver handles this card. Is this correct?

Some features are missing, e.g. there is no accelerated video decoding.
Running a desktop should not be a problem though.

If so, do I just install the packages, install the card, tell the BIOS to
use it, power off, move the monitors, and that's it? With the card connected, I can log in from console, but X won't run.

Also Grub gets a different video mode, maybe 24x80 instead of so tiny as to be nearly illegible. Probably fine. Yeah I could probably change it if I wanted. I did change the console.

That may be a sign that the firmware for the card is not installed,
AFAIK it is necessary to do anything useful with it. In Debian 12 and
earlier the firmware is in the package firmware-misc-nonfree, in
unstable and testing it has been relocated to a new
firmware-nvidia-graphics package.

Cheers,
Sven

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Eben King composed on 2024-08-06 13:11 (UTC-0400):

Hi, I got a new-to-me EVGA Nvidia GTX 970. I understand the Nouveau driver handles this card. Is this correct?

Technically, no, because you wrote "the No..." The nouveau kernel module does provide kernel drm services, in conjunction with libdrm-nouveau2, on which competent X drivers, nouveau and modesetting, plus Mesa, depend. IOW, there are multiple nouveaus, not all of which are required. The modesetting DIX is newer and
better supported technology than the reverse-engineered, "experimental", old technology nouveau DDX driver. In any fresh installation, the modesetting DIX will
be used automatically, *if* xserver-xorg-video-nouveau is not installed.

If so, do I just install the packages, install the card, tell the BIOS to
use it, power off, move the monitors, and that's it? With the card connected, I can log in from console, but X won't run.

So you're saying it's already installed, but X won't start? Did you find Xorg.0.log in /var/log or ~/.local/share/xorg/, and if yes, identify any error messages? Did you look for error messages in journal or dmesg?

Does "won't run" mean won't try to start, or starts but black screens or aborts?
What exactly happens when you try?

Also Grub gets a different video mode, maybe 24x80 instead of so tiny as to be nearly illegible. Probably fine. Yeah I could probably change it if I wanted. I did change the console.

80x25 or 24 suggests no kernel graphics module loaded, leaving the system running
on the BIOS for video at least until a fallback driver, fbdev or vesa, can load.
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On 8/6/24 14:19, Felix Miata wrote:

Eben King composed on 2024-08-06 13:11 (UTC-0400):

Hi, I got a new-to-me EVGA Nvidia GTX 970. I understand the Nouveau
driver handles this card. Is this correct?

Technically, no, because you wrote "the No..." The nouveau kernel module
does provide kernel drm services, in conjunction with libdrm-nouveau2,

...

OK, thanks. It's not as simple as I thought it was. To make this thread relevant I should say that yes, I do run Debian 12 (Bookworm).

If so, do I just install the packages, install the card, tell the BIOS
to use it, power off, move the monitors, and that's it? With the card
connected, I can log in from console, but X won't run.

So you're saying it's already installed, but X won't start?

What I did was install it, hook up one monitor (out of three), set the BIOS
to show its stuff on that card, then boot. POST, Grub, and boot messages happened as normal, then a black screen with a flashing cursor. I waited a
bit but it appeared to be hung. After ctrl-alt-F1 I could log in and do an orderly shutdown (though technically a short press on the power button would have done the same), then I unplugged the card and put everything back the
way it was so I could use my computer as normal. Right now the card is in a crate to my right.

Did you find Xorg.0.log in /var/log or ~/.local/share/xorg/, and if yes, identify any error messages? Did you look for error messages in journal
or dmesg?

In ~/.xmessages.old I do see errors, but I'm not sure they came from X
failing. Next time I boot with the card I'll grab that file.

Also Grub gets a different video mode, maybe 24x80 instead of so tiny
as to be nearly illegible.

80x25 or 24 suggests no kernel graphics module loaded, leaving the system running on the BIOS for video at least until a fallback driver, fbdev or vesa, can load.

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On 8/6/24 14:43, Sven Joachim wrote:

On 2024-08-06 13:11 -0400, Eben King wrote:

Hi, I got a new-to-me EVGA Nvidia GTX 970. I understand the Nouveau driver >> handles this card. Is this correct?

Some features are missing, e.g. there is no accelerated video decoding. Running a desktop should not be a problem though.

Even unaccelerated it's probably much faster than my existing "card"
(whatever came with the i5).

Also Grub gets a different video mode, maybe 24x80 instead of so tiny as to >> be nearly illegible.

That may be a sign that the firmware for the card is not installed,
AFAIK it is necessary to do anything useful with it. In Debian 12 and earlier the firmware is in the package firmware-misc-nonfree, in

Weird. That package appears to be installed, as are libdrm-nouveau2 and xserver-xorg-video-nouveau, says Synaptic. Could they be dormant and need
to be activated to work?

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NVidia's driver search
at https://www.nvidia.com/Download/Find.aspx says that many drivers
still available with Debian 12 support this card. I don't know which
one is installed by "apt install nvidia-drivers" but it might be 535.
You can get a script to install a specific driver from the search page.
I installed 535 for my GM107L (K2200) without any problems. Run nvidia-
detect and see which one it recommends.

On Tue, 2024-08-06 at 20:43 +0200, Sven Joachim wrote:

On 2024-08-06 13:11 -0400, Eben King wrote:

Hi, I got a new-to-me EVGA Nvidia GTX 970.  I understand the
Nouveau driver
handles this card.  Is this correct?

Some features are missing, e.g. there is no accelerated video
decoding.
Running a desktop should not be a problem though.

If so, do I just install the packages, install the card, tell the
BIOS to
use it, power off, move the monitors, and that's it?  With the card connected, I can log in from console, but X won't run.

Also Grub gets a different video mode, maybe 24x80 instead of so
tiny as to
be nearly illegible.  Probably fine.  Yeah I could probably change
it if I
wanted.  I did change the console.

That may be a sign that the firmware for the card is not installed,
AFAIK it is necessary to do anything useful with it.  In Debian 12
and
earlier the firmware is in the package firmware-misc-nonfree, in
unstable and testing it has been relocated to a new
firmware-nvidia-graphics package.

Cheers,
       Sven

<html><head></head><body><div>NVidia's driver search at&nbsp;<a href="https://www.nvidia.com/Download/Find.aspx">https://www.nvidia.com/Download/Find.aspx</a>&nbsp;says that many drivers still available with Debian 12 support this card. I don't know
which one is installed by "apt install nvidia-drivers" but it might be 535. You can get a script to install a specific driver from the search page. I installed 535 for my GM107L (K2200) without any problems. Run nvidia-detect and see which one it
recommends.</div><div><br></div><div>On Tue, 2024-08-06 at 20:43 +0200, Sven Joachim wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex; border-left:2px #729fcf solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>On 2024-08-06 13:11 -0400, Eben King wrote:<br></div><

<br></div><blockquote type="cite" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex; border-left:2px #729fcf solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>Hi, I got a new-to-me EVGA Nvidia GTX 970.&nbsp; I understand the Nouveau driver<br></div><div>handles this card.&nbsp; Is this correct?<

</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Some features are missing, e.g. there is no accelerated video decoding.<br></div><div>Running a desktop should not be a problem though.<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;

border-left:2px #729fcf solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>If so, do I just install the packages, install the card, tell the BIOS to<br></div><div>use it, power off, move the monitors, and that's it?&nbsp; With the card<br></div><div>connected, I can log in
from console, but X won't run.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Also Grub gets a different video mode, maybe 24x80 instead of so tiny as to<br></div><div>be nearly illegible.&nbsp; Probably fine.&nbsp; Yeah I could probably change it if I<br></div><div>
wanted.&nbsp; I did change the console.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That may be a sign that the firmware for the card is not installed,<br></div><div>AFAIK it is necessary to do anything useful with it.&nbsp; In Debian 12 and<br></div><div>
earlier the firmware is in the package firmware-misc-nonfree, in<br></div><div>unstable and testing it has been relocated to a new<br></div><div>firmware-nvidia-graphics package.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,<br></div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&
nbsp;&nbsp; Sven<br></div><div><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><span></span></div></body></html>

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On 2024-08-06 14:56 -0400, eben@gmx.us wrote:

On 8/6/24 14:43, Sven Joachim wrote:

On 2024-08-06 13:11 -0400, Eben King wrote:

Hi, I got a new-to-me EVGA Nvidia GTX 970. I understand the Nouveau driver >>> handles this card. Is this correct?

Some features are missing, e.g. there is no accelerated video decoding.
Running a desktop should not be a problem though.

Even unaccelerated it's probably much faster than my existing "card" (whatever came with the i5).

Also Grub gets a different video mode, maybe 24x80 instead of so tiny as to >>> be nearly illegible.

That may be a sign that the firmware for the card is not installed,
AFAIK it is necessary to do anything useful with it. In Debian 12 and
earlier the firmware is in the package firmware-misc-nonfree, in

Weird. That package appears to be installed, as are libdrm-nouveau2 and xserver-xorg-video-nouveau, says Synaptic. Could they be dormant and need
to be activated to work?

If your monitor does not run in its native resolution, something has
gone wrong before. You could run "sudo dmesg| grep -E '(drm|nouveau)'"
and show us the results.

Cheers,
Sven

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eben@gmx.us composed on 2024-08-06 16:29 (UTC-0400):

Sven Joachim wrote:

You could run "sudo dmesg| grep -E '(drm|nouveau)'"
and show us the results.

[ 0.801515] ACPI: bus type drm_connector registered
[ 1.163819] i915 0000:00:02.0: [drm] Finished loading DMC firmware i915/skl_dmc_ver1_27.bin (v1.27)
[ 1.215096] i915 0000:00:02.0: [drm] [ENCODER:103:DDI C/PHY C] is disabled/in DSI mode with an ungated DDI clock, gate it
[ 1.215100] i915 0000:00:02.0: [drm] [ENCODER:107:DDI D/PHY D] is disabled/in DSI mode with an ungated DDI clock, gate it
[ 1.234211] [drm] Initialized i915 1.6.0 20201103 for 0000:00:02.0 on minor 0
[ 1.330006] fbcon: i915drmfb (fb0) is primary device
[ 1.389854] i915 0000:00:02.0: [drm] fb0: i915drmfb frame buffer device

He meant run the command with the GTX installed.

Which i5 do you have? Recent ones could be faster than a 10 year old GTX.
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On 8/6/24 15:48, Sven Joachim wrote:

On 2024-08-06 14:56 -0400, eben@gmx.us wrote:

On 8/6/24 14:43, Sven Joachim wrote:

That may be a sign that the firmware for the card is not installed,
AFAIK it is necessary to do anything useful with it. In Debian 12 and
earlier the firmware is in the package firmware-misc-nonfree, in

Weird. That package appears to be installed, as are libdrm-nouveau2 and
xserver-xorg-video-nouveau, says Synaptic. Could they be dormant and need >> to be activated to work?

If your monitor does not run in its native resolution, something has
gone wrong before.

It does, in X under the old card, which I'm running now.

You could run "sudo dmesg| grep -E '(drm|nouveau)'"
and show us the results.

[ 0.801515] ACPI: bus type drm_connector registered
[ 1.163819] i915 0000:00:02.0: [drm] Finished loading DMC firmware i915/skl_dmc_ver1_27.bin (v1.27)
[ 1.215096] i915 0000:00:02.0: [drm] [ENCODER:103:DDI C/PHY C] is disabled/in DSI mode with an ungated DDI clock, gate it
[ 1.215100] i915 0000:00:02.0: [drm] [ENCODER:107:DDI D/PHY D] is disabled/in DSI mode with an ungated DDI clock, gate it
[ 1.234211] [drm] Initialized i915 1.6.0 20201103 for 0000:00:02.0 on minor 0
[ 1.330006] fbcon: i915drmfb (fb0) is primary device
[ 1.389854] i915 0000:00:02.0: [drm] fb0: i915drmfb frame buffer device
[ 11.188251] systemd[1]: Starting modprobe@drm.service - Load Kernel
Module drm...
[ 11.204760] systemd[1]: modprobe@drm.service: Deactivated successfully.
[ 11.204908] systemd[1]: Finished modprobe@drm.service - Load Kernel
Module drm.

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On 8/6/24 16:39, Felix Miata wrote:

eben@gmx.us composed on 2024-08-06 16:29 (UTC-0400):

Sven Joachim wrote:

You could run "sudo dmesg| grep -E '(drm|nouveau)'" and show us the
results.

[ 0.801515] ACPI: bus type drm_connector registered

...

He meant run the command with the GTX installed.

Ah, my bad. My tendency to be overly literal bites me in the butt again. That'll take some doing, as I don't have a non-X mail client. Gimme a bit.

Which i5 do you have? Recent ones could be faster than a 10 year old
GTX.

It's not recent. "head /proc/cpuinfo" says

processor : 0
vendor_id : GenuineIntel
cpu family : 6
model : 94
model name : Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-6400 CPU @ 2.70GHz
stepping : 3
microcode : 0xf0
cpu MHz : 800.010
cache size : 6144 KB
physical id : 0

The speed's only as low as it is because the computer's pretty idle right now.

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On Wednesday, 07-08-2024 at 03:11 Eben King wrote:

Hi, I got a new-to-me EVGA Nvidia GTX 970. I understand the Nouveau driver handles this card. Is this correct?

With Debian Bookworm, I had Nvidia GTX 970 and Nvidia GTX 960 cards working on Nouveau, depending on what "working" means to you. The experience was limited, so most of the time I ran Debian packaged Nvidia drivers, until recently replacing it with
Radeon RX 6600.

Using the Radeon RX 6600 allows people to install KDE ('out of the box', as the phrase goes) and also run more games through Steam. Unless Nvidia support greatly improves, I do not plan on using Nvidia GPUs. I should have been implementing Radeon GPUs a
long time ago. That's my view, for what it is worth.

George.

If so, do I just install the packages, install the card, tell the BIOS to
use it, power off, move the monitors, and that's it? With the card connected, I can log in from console, but X won't run.

Also Grub gets a different video mode, maybe 24x80 instead of so tiny as to be nearly illegible. Probably fine. Yeah I could probably change it if I wanted. I did change the console.

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"Here's a nickel, kid. Get yourself a better computer" - Dilbert

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On 8/6/24 17:16, eben@gmx.us wrote:

On 8/6/24 16:39, Felix Miata wrote:

eben@gmx.us composed on 2024-08-06 16:29 (UTC-0400):

Sven Joachim wrote:

You could run "sudo dmesg| grep -E '(drm|nouveau)'" and show us the
results.

[    0.801515] ACPI: bus type drm_connector registered

...

He meant run the command with the GTX installed.

Ah, my bad.  My tendency to be overly literal bites me in the butt again. That'll take some doing, as I don't have a non-X mail client.  Gimme a bit.

OK. Here you go. This boot started at Aug 06 17:59:18.

/var/log/X0.log:
[ 48.008] (II) modeset(0): EDID for output DP-1
[ 48.008] (II) modeset(0): Output DVI-I-1 disconnected
[ 48.008] (II) modeset(0): Output DVI-D-1 disconnected
[ 48.008] (II) modeset(0): Output HDMI-1 connected
[ 48.008] (II) modeset(0): Output DP-1 disconnected
[ 48.008] (II) modeset(0): Using exact sizes for initial modes
[ 48.008] (II) modeset(0): Output HDMI-1 using initial mode 1920x1200 +0+0 ...
[ 48.018] (II) modeset(0): [DRI2] Setup complete
[ 48.018] (II) modeset(0): [DRI2] DRI driver: nouveau
[ 48.018] (II) modeset(0): [DRI2] VDPAU driver: nouveau

journalctl:
Aug 06 17:59:18 cerberus kernel: microcode: microcode updated early to
revision 0xf0, date = 2021-11-12
Aug 06 17:59:18 cerberus kernel: Linux version 6.1.0-23-amd64 (debian-kernel@lists.debian.org) (gcc-12 (Debian 12.2.0-14) 12.2.0, GNU ld
(GNU Binutils for Debian) 2.40) #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.1.99-1 (2024-07-15)
Aug 06 17:59:18 cerberus kernel: Command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-6.1.0-23-amd64 root=UUID=eafca4cd-c60e-4813-a6aa-57e630defdbc ro quiet
...
Aug 06 17:59:18 cerberus systemd[1]: Starting modprobe@drm.service - Load Kernel Module drm...
...
Aug 06 17:59:18 cerberus systemd[1]: modprobe@drm.service: Deactivated successfully.
Aug 06 17:59:18 cerberus systemd[1]: Finished modprobe@drm.service - Load Kernel Module drm.
Aug 06 17:59:18 cerberus kernel: ACPI: bus type drm_connector registered
...
Aug 06 17:59:20 cerberus kernel: nouveau 0000:01:00.0: vgaarb: deactivate
vga console
Aug 06 17:59:21 cerberus kernel: Console: switching to colour dummy device 80x25
Aug 06 17:59:21 cerberus kernel: nouveau 0000:01:00.0: NVIDIA GM204 (124020a1) ...
Aug 06 17:59:21 cerberus kernel: nouveau 0000:01:00.0: bios: version 84.04.84.00.5e
Aug 06 17:59:21 cerberus kernel: nouveau 0000:01:00.0: firmware:
direct-loading firmware nvidia/gm204/acr/bl.bin
Aug 06 17:59:21 cerberus kernel: nouveau 0000:01:00.0: firmware:
direct-loading firmware nvidia/gm204/acr/ucode_load.bin
Aug 06 17:59:21 cerberus kernel: nouveau 0000:01:00.0: firmware:
direct-loading firmware nvidia/gm204/acr/bl.bin
Aug 06 17:59:21 cerberus kernel: nouveau 0000:01:00.0: firmware:
direct-loading firmware nvidia/gm204/acr/ucode_unload.bin
Aug 06 17:59:21 cerberus kernel: nouveau 0000:01:00.0: pmu: firmware unavailable
Aug 06 17:59:21 cerberus kernel: nouveau 0000:01:00.0: firmware:
direct-loading firmware nvidia/gm204/gr/fecs_bl.bin
Aug 06 17:59:21 cerberus kernel: nouveau 0000:01:00.0: firmware:
direct-loading firmware nvidia/gm204/gr/fecs_inst.bin
Aug 06 17:59:21 cerberus kernel: nouveau 0000:01:00.0: firmware:
direct-loading firmware nvidia/gm204/gr/fecs_data.bin
Aug 06 17:59:21 cerberus kernel: nouveau 0000:01:00.0: firmware:
direct-loading firmware nvidia/gm204/gr/fecs_sig.bin
Aug 06 17:59:21 cerberus kernel: nouveau 0000:01:00.0: firmware:
direct-loading firmware nvidia/gm204/gr/gpccs_bl.bin
Aug 06 17:59:21 cerberus kernel: nouveau 0000:01:00.0: firmware:
direct-loading firmware nvidia/gm204/gr/gpccs_inst.bin
Aug 06 17:59:21 cerberus kernel: nouveau 0000:01:00.0: firmware:
direct-loading firmware nvidia/gm204/gr/gpccs_data.bin
Aug 06 17:59:21 cerberus kernel: nouveau 0000:01:00.0: firmware:
direct-loading firmware nvidia/gm204/gr/gpccs_sig.bin
Aug 06 17:59:21 cerberus kernel: nouveau 0000:01:00.0: firmware:
direct-loading firmware nvidia/gm204/gr/sw_nonctx.bin
Aug 06 17:59:21 cerberus kernel: nouveau 0000:01:00.0: firmware:
direct-loading firmware nvidia/gm204/gr/sw_ctx.bin
Aug 06 17:59:21 cerberus kernel: nouveau 0000:01:00.0: firmware:
direct-loading firmware nvidia/gm204/gr/sw_bundle_init.bin
Aug 06 17:59:21 cerberus kernel: nouveau 0000:01:00.0: firmware:
direct-loading firmware nvidia/gm204/gr/sw_method_init.bin
Aug 06 17:59:21 cerberus kernel: nouveau 0000:01:00.0: fb: 4096 MiB GDDR5
Aug 06 17:59:21 cerberus kernel: nouveau 0000:01:00.0: bus: MMIO read of 00000000 FAULT at 022554 [ PRIVRING ]
Aug 06 17:59:21 cerberus kernel: nouveau 0000:01:00.0: DRM: VRAM: 4096 MiB
Aug 06 17:59:21 cerberus kernel: nouveau 0000:01:00.0: DRM: GART: 1048576 MiB Aug 06 17:59:21 cerberus kernel: nouveau 0000:01:00.0: DRM: TMDS table
version 2.0
Aug 06 17:59:21 cerberus kernel: nouveau 0000:01:00.0: DRM: DCB version 4.1
Aug 06 17:59:21 cerberus kernel: nouveau 0000:01:00.0: DRM: DCB outp 00: 01000f02 00020030
Aug 06 17:59:21 cerberus kernel: nouveau 0000:01:00.0: DRM: DCB outp 01: 02000f00 00000000
Aug 06 17:59:21 cerberus kernel: nouveau 0000:01:00.0: DRM: DCB outp 02: 04011f82 00020030
Aug 06 17:59:21 cerberus kernel: nouveau 0000:01:00.0: DRM: DCB outp 03: 02022f62 00020010
Aug 06 17:59:21 cerberus kernel: nouveau 0000:01:00.0: DRM: DCB outp 05: 02833f76 04400020
Aug 06 17:59:21 cerberus kernel: nouveau 0000:01:00.0: DRM: DCB outp 06: 02033f72 00020020
Aug 06 17:59:21 cerberus kernel: nouveau 0000:01:00.0: DRM: DCB outp 15: 01df5ff8 00000000
Aug 06 17:59:21 cerberus kernel: nouveau 0000:01:00.0: DRM: DCB conn 00: 00001030
Aug 06 17:59:21 cerberus kernel: nouveau 0000:01:00.0: DRM: DCB conn 01: 01000131
Aug 06 17:59:21 cerberus kernel: nouveau 0000:01:00.0: DRM: DCB conn 02: 00010261
Aug 06 17:59:21 cerberus kernel: nouveau 0000:01:00.0: DRM: DCB conn 03: 00020346
Aug 06 17:59:21 cerberus kernel: nouveau 0000:01:00.0: DRM: DCB conn 05: 00000570
Aug 06 17:59:21 cerberus kernel: nouveau 0000:01:00.0: DRM: MM: using COPY
for buffer copies
Aug 06 17:59:21 cerberus kernel: nouveau 0000:01:00.0: DRM: failed to create encoder 1/8/0: -19
Aug 06 17:59:21 cerberus kernel: nouveau 0000:01:00.0: DRM: Virtual-1 has no encoders, removing
Aug 06 17:59:21 cerberus kernel: snd_hda_intel 0000:01:00.1: bound
0000:01:00.0 (ops nv50_audio_component_bind_ops [nouveau])
Aug 06 17:59:21 cerberus kernel: nouveau 0000:01:00.0: DRM: allocated
1920x1200 fb: 0xa0000, bo 00000000160d1c84
Aug 06 17:59:21 cerberus kernel: fbcon: nouveaudrmfb (fb0) is primary device Aug 06 17:59:21 cerberus kernel: Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 240x75
Aug 06 17:59:21 cerberus kernel: nouveau 0000:01:00.0: [drm] fb0:
nouveaudrmfb frame buffer device
Aug 06 17:59:21 cerberus kernel: [drm] Initialized nouveau 1.3.1 20120801
for 0000:01:00.0 on minor 0
Aug 06 17:59:21 cerberus kernel: nouveau 0000:01:00.0: DRM: Disabling PCI
power management to avoid bug
...
Aug 06 17:59:25 cerberus sensors[878]: nouveau-pci-0100


dmesg:
[ 21.191763] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: vgaarb: deactivate vga console
[ 21.197081] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: NVIDIA GM204 (124020a1)
[ 21.294793] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: bios: version 84.04.84.00.5e
[ 21.399326] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware nvidia/gm204/acr/bl.bin
[ 21.400404] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware nvidia/gm204/acr/ucode_load.bin
[ 21.400472] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware nvidia/gm204/acr/bl.bin
[ 21.400738] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware nvidia/gm204/acr/ucode_unload.bin
[ 21.400764] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: pmu: firmware unavailable
[ 21.401532] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware nvidia/gm204/gr/fecs_bl.bin
[ 21.403185] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware nvidia/gm204/gr/fecs_inst.bin
[ 21.416449] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware nvidia/gm204/gr/fecs_data.bin
[ 21.424796] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware nvidia/gm204/gr/fecs_sig.bin
[ 21.431769] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware nvidia/gm204/gr/gpccs_bl.bin
[ 21.432077] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware nvidia/gm204/gr/gpccs_inst.bin
[ 21.432258] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware nvidia/gm204/gr/gpccs_data.bin
[ 21.432707] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware nvidia/gm204/gr/gpccs_sig.bin
[ 21.432955] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware nvidia/gm204/gr/sw_nonctx.bin
[ 21.433187] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware nvidia/gm204/gr/sw_ctx.bin
[ 21.433423] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware nvidia/gm204/gr/sw_bundle_init.bin
[ 21.435050] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware nvidia/gm204/gr/sw_method_init.bin
[ 21.435595] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: fb: 4096 MiB GDDR5
[ 21.435623] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: bus: MMIO read of 00000000 FAULT at
022554 [ PRIVRING ]
[ 21.529971] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: DRM: VRAM: 4096 MiB
[ 21.529975] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: DRM: GART: 1048576 MiB
[ 21.529977] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: DRM: TMDS table version 2.0
[ 21.529979] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: DRM: DCB version 4.1
[ 21.529980] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: DRM: DCB outp 00: 01000f02 00020030
[ 21.529982] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: DRM: DCB outp 01: 02000f00 00000000
[ 21.529984] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: DRM: DCB outp 02: 04011f82 00020030
[ 21.529985] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: DRM: DCB outp 03: 02022f62 00020010
[ 21.529987] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: DRM: DCB outp 05: 02833f76 04400020
[ 21.529988] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: DRM: DCB outp 06: 02033f72 00020020
[ 21.529989] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: DRM: DCB outp 15: 01df5ff8 00000000
[ 21.529991] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: DRM: DCB conn 00: 00001030
[ 21.529992] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: DRM: DCB conn 01: 01000131
[ 21.529993] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: DRM: DCB conn 02: 00010261
[ 21.529995] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: DRM: DCB conn 03: 00020346
[ 21.529996] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: DRM: DCB conn 05: 00000570
[ 21.531756] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: DRM: MM: using COPY for buffer copies
[ 21.532956] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: DRM: failed to create encoder 1/8/0: -19
[ 21.532958] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: DRM: Virtual-1 has no encoders, removing
[ 22.013549] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: DRM: allocated 1920x1200 fb: 0xa0000,
bo 00000000160d1c84
[ 22.016791] fbcon: nouveaudrmfb (fb0) is primary device
[ 22.345220] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: [drm] fb0: nouveaudrmfb frame buffer device
[ 22.373844] [drm] Initialized nouveau 1.3.1 20120801 for 0000:01:00.0 on minor 0
[ 22.373858] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: DRM: Disabling PCI power management to avoid bug

And if you want to see the lines I didn't copy, I can send all I copied to
you directly.

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eben composed on 2024-08-06 17:16 (UTC-0400):

Felix Miata wrote:

eben composed on 2024-08-06 16:29 (UTC-0400):

Sven Joachim wrote:

You could run "sudo dmesg| grep -E '(drm|nouveau)'" and show us the
results.

[ 0.801515] ACPI: bus type drm_connector registered

...

He meant run the command with the GTX installed.

Ah, my bad. My tendency to be overly literal bites me in the butt again. That'll take some doing, as I don't have a non-X mail client. Gimme a bit.

Email client shouldn't be relevant. You can redirect dmesg to a file, to copy or
pastebin any time.

Which i5 do you have? Recent ones could be faster than a 10 year old
GTX.

It's not recent. "head /proc/cpuinfo" says

model name : Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-6400 CPU @ 2.70GHz

...

The speed's only as low as it is because the computer's pretty idle right now.

Before retiring the Intel, run glmark2 and note the score, to compare with the GTX
once you get it working. It's the only GUI speed tester I use.

I don't see enough in your log excerpts. You should pastebinit the entire command
output, if not the entirety of journal and dmesg, then provide the upload URLs.

I have an old NVidia booted here now. This is what using nouveau looks like at the
kernel:
# lsmod | egrep 'veau|vid' | sort
button 16384 1 nouveau
drm_display_helper 167936 1 nouveau
drm_exec 12288 1 nouveau
drm_gpuvm 20480 1 nouveau
drm_ttm_helper 12288 1 nouveau
gpu_sched 40960 1 nouveau
hwmon 32768 1 nouveau
i2c_algo_bit 12288 1 nouveau
mxm_wmi 12288 1 nouveau
nouveau 2314240 1
ttm 73728 2 drm_ttm_helper,nouveau
video 65536 1 nouveau
wmi 32768 3 video,mxm_wmi,nouveau
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On 8/7/24 00:33, Felix Miata wrote:

eben composed on 2024-08-06 17:16 (UTC-0400):

That'll take some doing, as I don't have a non-X mail client. Gimme a bit.

Email client shouldn't be relevant. You can redirect dmesg to a file, to copy or
pastebin any time.

Before retiring the Intel, run glmark2 and note the score, to compare with the GTX
once you get it working. It's the only GUI speed tester I use.

For future reference, "glmark2 Score: 2063". I saved the full output.

I don't see enough in your log excerpts. You should pastebinit the entire command
output, if not the entirety of journal and dmesg, then provide the upload URLs.

NP. Pastebin acct has been created.

I have an old NVidia booted here now. This is what using nouveau looks like at the
kernel:
# lsmod | egrep 'veau|vid' | sort

All right, gimme a bit.

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On 8/6/24 21:20, Jeffrey Walton wrote:

Dang, I didn't capture dmesg.

$ sudo lspci | grep -i vga

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GM204 [GeForce GTX
970] (rev a1)

or

I did "AND". Oopsie.

$ sudo lshw -C video

I couldn't remember the syntax so I ran "lshw > file" then found the right section. I think it's the same.

*-display
description: VGA compatible controller
product: GM204 [GeForce GTX 970]
vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
physical id: 0
bus info: pci@0000:01:00.0
logical name: /dev/fb0
version: a1
width: 64 bits
clock: 33MHz
capabilities: pm msi pciexpress vga_controller bus_master cap_list rom fb
configuration: depth=32 driver=nouveau latency=0 resolution=1920,1200
resources: irq:149 memory:dd000000-ddffffff memory:c0000000-cfffffff memory:d0000000-d1ffffff ioport:e000(size=128) memory:c0000-dffff

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On 8/6/24 20:02, George at Clug wrote:

On Wednesday, 07-08-2024 at 03:11 Eben King wrote:

Hi, I got a new-to-me EVGA Nvidia GTX 970. I understand the Nouveau
driver handles this card. Is this correct?

With Debian Bookworm, I had Nvidia GTX 970 and Nvidia GTX 960 cards
working on Nouveau, depending on what "working" means to you. The
experience was limited, so most of the time I ran Debian packaged Nvidia drivers, until recently replacing it with Radeon RX 6600.

Using the Radeon RX 6600 allows people to install KDE ('out of the box',
as the phrase goes) and also run more games through Steam. Unless Nvidia support greatly improves, I do not plan on using Nvidia GPUs. I should
have been implementing Radeon GPUs a long time ago. That's my view, for
what it is worth.

Huh. I had this impression that Radeon made better hardware but their
drivers were buggy, and Nvidia made better drivers but their hardware was buggy. Not true?

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On 8/7/24 00:33, Felix Miata wrote:

eben composed on 2024-08-06 17:16 (UTC-0400):

Felix Miata wrote:

eben composed on 2024-08-06 16:29 (UTC-0400):

Sven Joachim wrote:

You could run "sudo dmesg| grep -E '(drm|nouveau)'" and show us the
results.

[ 0.801515] ACPI: bus type drm_connector registered

...

He meant run the command with the GTX installed.

Ah, my bad. My tendency to be overly literal bites me in the butt again.
That'll take some doing, as I don't have a non-X mail client. Gimme a bit.

Email client shouldn't be relevant. You can redirect dmesg to a file, to copy o > pastebin any time.

pastebin account created.

I don't see enough in your log excerpts. You should pastebinit the entire command
output, if not the entirety of journal and dmesg, then provide the upload URLs.

OK I'll post what I have. They're from the boot on Aug 06 17:59:18 from
which I posted the excerpts.

Xorg.log is at https://pastebin.com/uUhZBBe4
journalctl is at https://pastebin.com/tpW0ViN0
dmesg is at https://pastebin.com/TaVjWERb

I have an old NVidia booted here now. This is what using nouveau looks like at the
kernel:
# lsmod | egrep 'veau|vid' | sort
button 16384 1 nouveau
drm_display_helper 167936 1 nouveau
drm_exec 12288 1 nouveau
drm_gpuvm 20480 1 nouveau
drm_ttm_helper 12288 1 nouveau
gpu_sched 40960 1 nouveau
hwmon 32768 1 nouveau
i2c_algo_bit 12288 1 nouveau
mxm_wmi 12288 1 nouveau
nouveau 2314240 1
ttm 73728 2 drm_ttm_helper,nouveau
video 65536 1 nouveau
wmi 32768 3 video,mxm_wmi,nouveau

Wow, quite a bit fewer.
mc 81920 5 videodev,snd_usb_audio,videobuf2_v4l2,uvcvideo,videobuf2_common
nouveau 2433024 1
videobuf2_common 73728 4 videobuf2_vmalloc,videobuf2_v4l2,uvcvideo,videobuf2_memops
videobuf2_memops 20480 1 videobuf2_vmalloc
videodev 294912 3 videobuf2_v4l2,uvcvideo,videobuf2_common
wmi 36864 4 video,intel_wmi_thunderbolt,mxm_wmi,nouveau

All that uvcvideo stuff isn't in your listing (it's for my weqcam), and
there's a whole mess of stuff not in mine. You think if I loaded the
missing modules manually it might work? How similar is your card to mine?

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On Thursday, 08-08-2024 at 02:51 eben@gmx.us wrote:

On 8/6/24 20:02, George at Clug wrote:

On Wednesday, 07-08-2024 at 03:11 Eben King wrote:

Hi, I got a new-to-me EVGA Nvidia GTX 970. I understand the Nouveau
driver handles this card. Is this correct?

With Debian Bookworm, I had Nvidia GTX 970 and Nvidia GTX 960 cards
working on Nouveau, depending on what "working" means to you. The experience was limited, so most of the time I ran Debian packaged Nvidia drivers, until recently replacing it with Radeon RX 6600.

Using the Radeon RX 6600 allows people to install KDE ('out of the box',
as the phrase goes) and also run more games through Steam. Unless Nvidia support greatly improves, I do not plan on using Nvidia GPUs. I should
have been implementing Radeon GPUs a long time ago. That's my view, for what it is worth.

Huh. I had this impression that Radeon made better hardware but their drivers were buggy, and Nvidia made better drivers but their hardware was buggy. Not true?

I could elaborate further if you want. However, in summary, my experience is that both Nvidia and Radeon work well with used with their own drivers (as packaged with Linux).

Sadly, due to limited support from Nvidia, many games, and other things like KVM's virtio video drivers, Wayland, etc, do not work great.

It has been a better experience since moving to using Radeon, I wish I had made the move sooner. I ensured my latest Laptop came with Radeon (thanks, HP), as I could not get my previous Nvidia based 860M to work under Debian.

I had been staying with Nvidia for a long time, hoping they would, one day, decide to be kinder to Linux. As they say, 'here's hoping'. I have several nice Nvidia cards I could be using.

George.

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On 8/7/24 21:12, Van Snyder wrote:

I ran glmark2 on my primary desktop, with NVidia Quadro K2200 and the
535 driver. The score was 4455. Then I ran it on another desktop with
GeForce GT 630. nvidia-detect says it's "not supported by any driver
version up to 535.183.01." Searching for the driver at NVidia says I
need the 340 driver -- which has not been available since Debian 10. So
that computer is running nouveau. The glmark2 score is 29. An NVidia
driver (if it could be installed in Debian 12.5) would apparently be
about 150 times faster.

Yeah, I think that given the problems with getting nouveau working and its expected slowness I may have to install the proprietary driver.

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On Thursday, 08-08-2024 at 11:12 Van Snyder wrote:

On Thu, 2024-08-08 at 10:17 +1000, George at Clug wrote:

I could elaborate further if you want. However, in summary, my
experience is that both Nvidia and Radeon work well with used with
their own drivers (as packaged with Linux).

If Debian and NVidia decide not to keep the driver available with newer releases, you're stuck with nouveau.

I ran glmark2 on my primary desktop, with NVidia Quadro K2200 and the
535 driver. The score was 4455. Then I ran it on another desktop with
GeForce GT 630. nvidia-detect says it's "not supported by any driver
version up to 535.183.01." Searching for the driver at NVidia says I
need the 340 driver -- which has not been available since Debian 10. So
that computer is running nouveau. The glmark2 score is 29. An NVidia
driver (if it could be installed in Debian 12.5) would apparently be
about 150 times faster.

glmark2-wayland is a benchmark for OpenGL 2.0.
This package intended only for the wayland platform. GL version.

glmark2 Score: 5184, i7-3770, Radeon RX 6600

If anyone can comment whether this is good or not, please do.

George.

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George at Clug composed on 2024-08-08 12:02 (UTC+1000):

glmark2-wayland is a benchmark for OpenGL 2.0.
This package intended only for the wayland platform. GL version.

glmark2 Score: 5184, i7-3770, Radeon RX 6600

If anyone can comment whether this is good or not, please do.

I don't have any glmark scores from Wayland. Everything following is X11.

A year ago on Fedora 38 using Intel RocketLake-S GT1 [UHD Graphics 730] on 11th Gen Intel Core i5-11400 from Q1-'21 I got 5766 from glmark2 on TDE. This was using
the Intel DDX. Score using modesetting DIX instead of DDX dropped to 2670.

I've heard latest NVidias are into 5 digit scores. My newest NVidia is 14 years old and scored 668 using 100% FOSS drivers. My best score with my newest AMD, 11
years old Kaveri R7 GCN#2, was 2325 using modesetting DIX, and 2322 using amdgpu
DDX on Mint 21.2, 2084 using amdgpu DDX on Bookworm.
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On Thursday, 08-08-2024 at 12:52 Felix Miata wrote:

George at Clug composed on 2024-08-08 12:02 (UTC+1000):

glmark2-wayland is a benchmark for OpenGL 2.0.
This package intended only for the wayland platform. GL version.

glmark2 Score: 5184, i7-3770, Radeon RX 6600

If anyone can comment whether this is good or not, please do.

I don't have any glmark scores from Wayland. Everything following is X11.

A year ago on Fedora 38 using Intel RocketLake-S GT1 [UHD Graphics 730] on 11th
Gen Intel Core i5-11400 from Q1-'21 I got 5766 from glmark2 on TDE. This was using
the Intel DDX. Score using modesetting DIX instead of DDX dropped to 2670.

I've heard latest NVidias are into 5 digit scores. My newest NVidia is 14 years
old and scored 668 using 100% FOSS drivers. My best score with my newest AMD, 11
years old Kaveri R7 GCN#2, was 2325 using modesetting DIX, and 2322 using amdgpu
DDX on Mint 21.2, 2084 using amdgpu DDX on Bookworm.

I hope to collect more stats, but this is a good start:

Debian Bookworm XFCE lightdm - glmark2 Score: 313, i5 670, Intel Graphics Debian Bookworm XFCE lightdm - glmark2 Score: 875, Ryzen 7 5700U with Radeon Graphics
Debian Bookworm Cinnamon lightdm - glmark2 Score: 3656, i5 650, GeForce GT 1030
Debian Bookworm KDE Wayland - glmark2 Score: 5184, i7-3770, Radeon RX 6600
Debian Bookworm KDE Wayland - glmark2 Score: 10936, i5-6600, Radeon RX 7700 XT
Debian Bookworm XFCE lightdm - glmark2 Score: 13175, i7-3770, Radeon RX 6600
Debian Bookworm XFCE lightdm - glmark2 Score: 15444, i7-4790, Radeon RX 6600

Wayland does not score well on glmark2, does anyone know why.

George.

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