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Re: Any good Debian books highly recommended

From Andrew M.A. Cater@21:1/5 to Eric Richards on Sat Aug 24 18:20:01 2024

On Sun, Aug 25, 2024 at 04:08:27AM +1200, Eric Richards wrote:

Hello
As the Subject says Any good Debian books highly recommended or Linux for that matter.

I found one the other day Debian 12, it only had a one star review and the buyer wishes he could get his money back

debian-handbook package also available as a printed book

https://debian-handbook.info/ should give more details.

All the very best, as ever,

Andy Cater
(amacater@debian.org)

*From Eric.*

*Sent from Raspberry Pi 5 *

*Now we have wasted all our money on Widescreen TV and can not afford a holiday, a lot of news clips are shown in narrow vision from cell phones,
it looks like the TV news producers have lost their marbl*
*es. *

*Pedestrian "Cross Now" button is NOT wired to a pedestrian counter, it
works on traffic flow, in fact it can change between school holidays and school days, *

*Sometimes the button does not work, because people like wearing it out.
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From David@21:1/5 to Ryan Nowakowski on Mon Aug 26 02:50:01 2024

On Sun, 2024-08-25 at 19:17 -0500, Ryan Nowakowski wrote:

I really like The Debian System by Martin Krafft

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1593270690/ref=ya_aw_od_pi?ie=UTF8&psc=1

It's almost 20 years old now but it's still pretty relevant since
Debian hasn't changed that much.

In fact, No Starch Press is an excellent resource on anything open
source.
My first call.

https://nostarch.com/

Cheers!

On August 24, 2024 11:08:27 AM CDT, Eric Richards
<2eric.richards@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello
As the Subject says Any good Debian books highly recommended or
Linux for
that matter.

I found one the other day Debian 12, it only had a one star review
and the
buyer wishes he could get his money back

*From Eric.*

*Sent from Raspberry Pi 5 *

*Now we have wasted all our money on Widescreen TV and can not
afford a
holiday, a lot of news clips are shown in narrow vision from cell
phones,
it looks like the TV news producers have lost their marbl*
*es. *

*Pedestrian "Cross Now" button is NOT wired to a pedestrian
counter, it
works on traffic flow, in fact it can change between school
holidays and
school days, *

*Sometimes the button does not work, because people like wearing it
out.
*

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From Ryan Nowakowski@21:1/5 to Eric Richards on Mon Aug 26 02:40:01 2024

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I really like The Debian System by Martin Krafft

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1593270690/ref=ya_aw_od_pi?ie=UTF8&psc=1

It's almost 20 years old now but it's still pretty relevant since Debian hasn't changed that much.

On August 24, 2024 11:08:27 AM CDT, Eric Richards <2eric.richards@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello
As the Subject says Any good Debian books highly recommended or Linux for >that matter.

I found one the other day Debian 12, it only had a one star review and the >buyer wishes he could get his money back

*From Eric.*

*Sent from Raspberry Pi 5 *

*Now we have wasted all our money on Widescreen TV and can not afford a >holiday, a lot of news clips are shown in narrow vision from cell phones,
it looks like the TV news producers have lost their marbl*
*es. *

*Pedestrian "Cross Now" button is NOT wired to a pedestrian counter, it
works on traffic flow, in fact it can change between school holidays and >school days, *

*Sometimes the button does not work, because people like wearing it out.
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From martin f krafft@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 26 09:00:01 2024

Regarding the following, written by "jeremy ardley" on 2024-08-26 at 09:58 Uhr GMT:

It's almost 20 years old now but it's still pretty relevant since
Debian hasn't changed that much.

20 years old means it's missing all the systemd stuff. That's quite >important.

True. However, systemd is also not Debian-specific, and just like I
never covered specifics of the Linux kernel or GNU utilities, I am
no sure how much of systemd would actually have its place in this
book.

That said, there's a lot of coverage of `init.d` and related Debian
hacks, such as `update-rc.d`, which are now no longer really
relevant.

So yeah, the book is ancient, no irrelevant, but I've also moved on
with life and won't have the time to write an updated version. If
anyone cared enough to do so, I'd happily put you in touch with Open
Source Press (the original publisher) and/or NoStarch.

Take care,

--
.''`. martin f. krafft <madduck@d.o>
: :' : proud Debian developer
`. `'` http://people.debian.org/~madduck
`- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing systems

on the other hand, you have different fingers.

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<p style="text-align: justify; text-justify: auto; margin: 0.5em">It’s almost 20 years old now but it’s still pretty relevant since Debian hasn’t changed that much.</p>
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<p style="text-align: justify; text-justify: auto; margin: 0.5em">20 years old means it’s missing all the systemd stuff. That’s quite important.</p>
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<p style="text-align: justify; text-justify: auto">True. However, systemd is also not Debian-specific, and just like I never covered specifics of the Linux kernel or GNU utilities, I am no sure how much of systemd would actually have its place in this
book.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify; text-justify: auto">That said, there’s a lot of coverage of <code>init.d</code> and related Debian hacks, such as <code>update-rc.d</code>, which are now no longer really relevant.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify; text-justify: auto">So yeah, the book is ancient, no irrelevant, but I’ve also moved on with life and won’t have the time to write an updated version. If anyone cared enough to do so, I’d happily put you
in touch with Open Source Press (the original publisher) and/or NoStarch.</p> <p style="text-align: justify; text-justify: auto">Take care,</p>
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<dt>.’‘`. martin f. krafft <a href="mailto:madduck@d.o">madduck@d.o</a></dt>
<dd>:’ : proud Debian developer<br/> <code>.</code>‘<code>http://people.debian.org/~madduck</code>- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing systems</dd>
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<p style="text-align: justify; text-justify: auto">on the other hand, you have different fingers.</p>
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From Michel Verdier@21:1/5 to Eric Richards on Tue Aug 27 09:40:02 2024

On 2024-08-25, Eric Richards wrote:

Hello
As the Subject says Any good Debian books highly recommended or Linux for that matter.

I found one the other day Debian 12, it only had a one star review and the buyer wishes he could get his money back

Very good book based on bullseye, freely available online, as paperback
or as ebook
https://debian-handbook.info/

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From Jonathan Dowland@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 27 12:50:01 2024

I can hardly believe it's been 20 years since you wrote that.
We're all getting old!

It's good to see your name on the mailing lists again!

--
Please do not CC me for listmail.

👱🏻 Jonathan Dowland
✎ jmtd@debian.org
🔗 https://jmtd.net

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From hohe72@posteo.de@21:1/5 to Eric Richards on Tue Sep 3 00:00:01 2024

Hi,
here is no such thing like a Computer book what covers everything.

So go for an general purpose UNIX book.
Then for an advanced one covering Linux or Debian. Maybe an Admin Guide. Because an Beginners Guide cannot cover every Shell available in detail,
you might buy a guide to your favoured shell.
For every day problems do the error on Google, cause some hints are
volatile.
Save money by installing man pages.

So first try to get an overview, then zoom in the topics needed. Go to
a book store and to scan through a book. Amazon will not help here.

This is an general advice,
Holger

ps:
Same goes for programming languages:
First go for language basics (the standard).
Then for advanced UNIX-programming or the Windows programming
or whatever you do.
And don't hesitate to by a book for C++ Templates only -- if required.
Here is no way it's being covered at a beginners guide usefully.

On Sun, 25 Aug 2024 04:08:27 +1200
Eric Richards <2eric.richards@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello
As the Subject says Any good Debian books highly recommended or Linux
for that matter.

I found one the other day Debian 12, it only had a one star review
and the buyer wishes he could get his money back

*From Eric.*

*Sent from Raspberry Pi 5 *

*Now we have wasted all our money on Widescreen TV and can not afford
a holiday, a lot of news clips are shown in narrow vision from cell
phones, it looks like the TV news producers have lost their marbl*
*es. *

*Pedestrian "Cross Now" button is NOT wired to a pedestrian counter,
it works on traffic flow, in fact it can change between school
holidays and school days, *

*Sometimes the button does not work, because people like wearing it
out. *

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