Tsai, Letitia (CW) wrote:

Hi
Not sure which category I should submit so I am writing this letter to gain your guidance on the issue I encountered.
Hope the information I provided is valid and easy to understand.
Thank you !

[Summary]
Unable to install Debian with GUI interface

[Steps to reproduce]
1. Download Image debian-testing-amd64-DVD-1.iso (dated: 2024/8/19 weekly build : https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-dvd/)

Does it work with the stable image?

Testing is called testing because it is not stable. "Not working
right now" is fairly normal for it.


-dsr-

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On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 11:22:02 +0000
"Tsai, Letitia (CW)" <letitia.tsai@hp.com> wrote:

Hi
Not sure which category I should submit so I am writing this letter
to gain your guidance on the issue I encountered. Hope the
information I provided is valid and easy to understand. Thank you !

[Summary]
Unable to install Debian with GUI interface

[Steps to reproduce]
1. Download Image debian-testing-amd64-DVD-1.iso (dated: 2024/8/19
weekly build : https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-dvd/) 2.
Make a boot drive thru Rufus 3. Select install with GUI

Hmmm. I have been running the weekly netinst builds (usually available
Monday mornings Mountain time). I have had no problem using those for
the last several weeks.

You might try the latest weekly build, 8/26.

You say you can get a good installation using the regular (console) installation. Will the GUI run successfully on the installed system?

I don't use rufus or the like, as I am installing on a virtual machine
and can use the ISO image directly.

Are you checking the checksums?

Also, I select my installation method a bit differently that you do, as
I need to feed the kernel some parameters, I hit H (for help), go to
that menu, then enter "expertgui" and add some command line parameters
not relevant here. I suspect that will make no difference but might be
worth a try.

Some other things to think about:

I understand that rufus is a CD/DVD burner program for Windows. Is there
any reason you are using a DVD rather than a USB stick? And if so, will
rufus check the integrity of the finished DVD?

Is there any reason why you need the GUI to install? I understand that
the regular (console) installation is identical except for the
appearance.

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Hi,

Charles Curley wrote:

I understand that rufus is a CD/DVD burner program for Windows.

No it is an image copier for hard-disk-like devices, typically USB sticks.
https://rufus.ie/en/

It usually unpacks the ISO to a FAT fileystem and installs or modifies
the boot loader of the stick so that it knows what kernel and initrd
to load.

It also offers a "DD mode" which effectively does what our good old dd
does to put an unaltered ISO plainly on the base device file of the USB
stick.
https://github.com/pbatard/rufus/wiki/FAQ#user-content-Why_doesnt_Rufus_recommend_DD_mode_over_ISO_mode_for_ISOHybrid_images_Surely_DD_is_better
Note the sarkasm at the end of this URL and in the text the eagerness
to promote the "ISO [unpacking] mode". Some of the arguments are indeed
valid in my eyes for some situations. YMMV.

DD mode is engaged for some ISOs automatically.
If not, then the FAQ shows cheat codes:
https://github.com/pbatard/rufus/wiki/FAQ#power-keyscheat-modes
I guess Alt-I and Alt-M would do the trick.
Maybe the normal dialog give a chance to choose DD mode, too.

(As developer of xorriso i am usually biased in favor of DD mode.
I never ran a Rufus .EXE but only argued with its developer over
ISO 9660 and El Torito specs issues. :))

And if so, will rufus check the integrity of the finished DVD?

(s/DVD/USB Stick/)
I am not aware that it does verify after applying its DD mode.
You will have to use the same method as proposed for optical media on
https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#verify
by "/sbin/isosize" or "ls -l ...iso" and then
"dd count=... bs=2048 | sha512sum".


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

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On Thu, Aug 29, 2024 at 04:34:21PM +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote:

Hi,

Charles Curley wrote:

I understand that rufus is a CD/DVD burner program for Windows.

No it is an image copier for hard-disk-like devices, typically USB sticks.
https://rufus.ie/en/

<snip>

It also offers a "DD mode" which effectively does what our good old dd
does to put an unaltered ISO plainly on the base device file of the USB stick.
https://github.com/pbatard/rufus/wiki/FAQ#user-content-Why_doesnt_Rufus_recommend_DD_mode_over_ISO_mode_for_ISOHybrid_images_Surely_DD_is_better

I have used Rufus previously and note Pete Batard's take on this.
Nonetheless, DD mode is *exactly* what you need to make Rufus write
the Debian iso well as far as I understand it.

DD mode is engaged for some ISOs automatically.
If not, then the FAQ shows cheat codes:
https://github.com/pbatard/rufus/wiki/FAQ#power-keyscheat-modes
I guess Alt-I and Alt-M would do the trick.
Maybe the normal dialog give a chance to choose DD mode, too.

(As developer of xorriso i am usually biased in favor of DD mode.
I never ran a Rufus .EXE but only argued with its developer over
ISO 9660 and El Torito specs issues. :))

Pete Batard has done some very useful work persuading Raspberry Pi
to boot using UEFI as well but we can all argue.

And if so, will rufus check the integrity of the finished DVD?

Unsure, but don't think so.

Have a nice day :)

Thomas

With every good wish, as ever,

Andy Cater
(amacater@debian.org)

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