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  • Re: Testing

    From Peter Ehlert@21:1/5 to mikewate@gmail.com on Sun Sep 29 00:10:01 2024
    This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
    โ“˜ ๐˜ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ ๐˜ค๐˜ข๐˜ฏ'๐˜ต ๐˜ด๐˜ฆ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ช๐˜ด ๐˜ค๐˜ฐ๐˜ฎ๐˜ฎ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ๐˜ต ๐˜ฃ๐˜ฆ๐˜ค๐˜ข๐˜ถ๐˜ด๐˜ฆ ๐˜บ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ
    ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ถ๐˜ด๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜จ ๐˜ข ๐˜Š๐˜ฉ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜ฆ๐˜ด๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฎ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฃ๐˜ช๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ

    On September 28, 2024 1:47:23 PM Mike Waters <mikewate@gmail.com> wrote:
    Testing with Gmail to see if I absolutely need to install mutt.

    Pardon my intrusion. :-)


    <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">
    <html>
    <body>
    <div dir="auto">
    <div dir="auto">โ“˜ ๐˜ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ ๐˜ค๐˜ข๐˜ฏ'๐˜ต ๐˜ด๐˜ฆ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ช๐˜ด ๐˜ค๐˜ฐ๐˜ฎ๐˜ฎ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ๐˜ต ๐˜ฃ๐˜ฆ๐˜ค๐˜ข๐˜ถ๐˜ด๐˜ฆ ๐˜บ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ถ๐˜ด๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜จ ๐˜ข ๐˜Š๐˜ฉ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜ฆ๐˜ด๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฎ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฃ๐˜ช๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ</div><div
    dir='auto'><br></div>
    <div id="aqm-original" style="color: black;">
    <!-- body start -->
    <div class="aqm-original-body">
    <div style="color: black;">
    <p style="color: black; font-size: 10pt; font-family: sans-serif; margin: 8pt 0;">On September 28, 2024 1:47:23 PM Mike Waters &lt;mikewate@gmail.com&gt; wrote:</p>
    <blockquote type="cite" class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0 0 0 0.75ex; border-left: 1px solid #808080; padding-left: 0.75ex;">
    <div dir="auto">Testing with Gmail to see if I absolutely need to install mutt.&nbsp;<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Pardon my intrusion. :-)</div></div>
    </blockquote>
    </div>
    </div>
    <!-- body end -->

    </div><div dir="auto"><br></div>
    </div></body>
    </html>

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  • From Roger Price@21:1/5 to Peter Ehlert on Sun Sep 29 09:10:01 2024
    This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text,
    while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.

    On Sat, 28 Sep 2024, Peter Ehlert wrote:

    โ“˜ ๐˜ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ ๐˜ค๐˜ข๐˜ฏ'๐˜ต ๐˜ด๐˜ฆ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ช๐˜ด ๐˜ค๐˜ฐ๐˜ฎ๐˜ฎ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ๐˜ต ๐˜ฃ๐˜ฆ๐˜ค๐˜ข๐˜ถ๐˜ด๐˜ฆ ๐˜บ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ถ๐˜ด๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜จ ๐˜ข ๐˜Š๐˜ฉ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜ฆ๐˜ด๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฎ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฃ๐˜ช๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ

    I use alpine 2.24 on Debian 11 which usually shows only the text of a message. This is the first time I have seen a style change to a message, so I looked at the source. Since the post contained nothing but HTML, and since the subject is
    "Testing", I ran it through the W3C validator at https://validator.w3.org/ : I attach a shortened summary of the results. Not bad for a 4 line message. What tool did you use to write this?

    Roger

    Error Line 3, Column 6: document type does not allow element "BODY" here
    <body>

    Error Line 4, Column 15: value of attribute "DIR" cannot be "AUTO"; must be one of "LTR", "RTL"
    <div dir="auto">

    Error Line 5, Column 15: value of attribute "DIR" cannot be "AUTO"; must be one of "LTR", "RTL"
    <div dir="auto">โ“˜ ๐˜ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ ๐˜ค๐˜ข๐˜ฏ'๐˜ต ๐˜ด๐˜ฆ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฃ๐˜ฆ๐˜ค๐˜ข๐˜ถ๐˜ด๐˜ฆ ๐˜ถ๐˜ด๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜Š๐˜ฉ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜ฆ๐˜ด๐˜ฆ

    Error Line 6, Column 27: value of attribute "DIR" cannot be "AUTO"; must be one of "LTR", "RTL"
    ๐˜ฎ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฃ๐˜ช๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ</div><div dir='auto'><br></div>

    Error Line 13, Column 18: there is no attribute "TYPE"
    <blockquote type="cite" class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0 0 0 0.75ex; borderโ€ฆ

    Error Line 14, Column 15: value of attribute "DIR" cannot be "AUTO"; must be one
    of "LTR", "RTL"
    <div dir="auto">Testing with Gmail to see if I absolutely need to install mutt.โ€ฆ

    Error Line 14, Column 100: value of attribute "DIR" cannot be "AUTO"; must be one of "LTR", "RTL"
    โ€ฆ need to install mutt.&nbsp;<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Pardon my

    Error Line 14, Column 126: value of attribute "DIR" cannot be "AUTO"; must be one of "LTR", "RTL"
    โ€ฆ need to install mutt.&nbsp;<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Pardon my

    Error Line 21, Column 21: value of attribute "DIR" cannot be "AUTO"; must be one
    of "LTR", "RTL"
    </div><div dir="auto"><br></div>

    Error Line 23, Column 7: end tag for "HTML" which is not finished
    </html>

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  • From tomas@tuxteam.de@21:1/5 to Roger Price on Sun Sep 29 12:30:01 2024
    On Sun, Sep 29, 2024 at 08:52:44AM +0200, Roger Price wrote:
    On Sat, 28 Sep 2024, Peter Ehlert wrote:

    โ“˜ ๐˜ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ ๐˜ค๐˜ข๐˜ฏ'๐˜ต ๐˜ด๐˜ฆ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ช๐˜ด ๐˜ค๐˜ฐ๐˜ฎ๐˜ฎ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ๐˜ต ๐˜ฃ๐˜ฆ๐˜ค๐˜ข๐˜ถ๐˜ด๐˜ฆ ๐˜บ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ถ๐˜ด๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜จ ๐˜ข ๐˜Š๐˜ฉ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜ฆ๐˜ด๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฎ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฃ๐˜ช๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ

    I use alpine 2.24 on Debian 11 which usually shows only the text of a message. This is the first time I have seen a style change to a message, so
    I looked at the source. Since the post contained nothing but HTML,

    Wrong. The original post is a MIME multipart/alternative, with a text
    part and an HTML part. Both contain those "funny chars", which are just
    maths italics taken from the mathematical alphanumeric symbol block
    of Unicode (U+1D400..U+1D7FF) [1]. So pretty boring standard.

    No idea why a Chinese mobile shouldn't be able to display that. As for
    the crappy HTML -- what do you expect from some random proprietary mailer
    (Aqua mail, AFAICT). They all suck.

    Cheers
    [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_Alphanumeric_Symbols
    --
    t

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  • From Joe@21:1/5 to Mike Waters on Mon Sep 30 10:30:01 2024
    On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 18:37:49 -0500
    Mike Waters <mikewate@gmail.com> wrote:

    I'm looking at this in Firefox in Debian, and I can't see it. But I
    did send that with my Motorola phone ;-)

    I installed mutt, because presumably I need it to read the older,
    archived messages. (?)
    It's been so long since I used it, I'll have to look for a good mutt tutorial.

    On Sat, Sep 28, 2024 at 6:07โ€ฏPM Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@gmail.com>
    wrote:


    On Sun, Sep 29, 2024 at 8:00โ€ฏAM Peter Ehlert <pb21a@sdi-baja.com>
    wrote:
    โ“˜ ๐˜ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ ๐˜ค๐˜ข๐˜ฏ'๐˜ต ๐˜ด๐˜ฆ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ช๐˜ด ๐˜ค๐˜ฐ๐˜ฎ๐˜ฎ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ๐˜ต ๐˜ฃ๐˜ฆ๐˜ค๐˜ข๐˜ถ๐˜ด๐˜ฆ ๐˜บ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ
    ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ถ๐˜ด๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜จ ๐˜ข ๐˜Š๐˜ฉ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜ฆ๐˜ด๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฎ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฃ๐˜ช๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ


    For me, the above says "๐˜ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ ๐˜ค๐˜ข๐˜ฏ'๐˜ต ๐˜ด๐˜ฆ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ช๐˜ด ๐˜ค๐˜ฐ๐˜ฎ๐˜ฎ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ๐˜ต
    ๐˜ฃ๐˜ฆ๐˜ค๐˜ข๐˜ถ๐˜ด๐˜ฆ ๐˜บ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ถ๐˜ด๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜จ ๐˜ข ๐˜Š๐˜ฉ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜ฆ๐˜ด๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฎ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฃ๐˜ช๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ".

    I am using gmail, but in chromium on a debian desktop.

    Does anyone else see that message?


    I use Claws-Mail and leave the HTML module turned off, so I certainly
    can see it. I use a phone for email only if I'm away from home. I can
    see it in K9 on a Samsung phone.

    --
    Joe

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  • From Joe@21:1/5 to Mike Waters on Mon Sep 30 17:50:01 2024
    On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 10:03:44 -0500
    Mike Waters <mikewate@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Mon, Sep 30, 2024, 3:21 AM Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:


    I use Claws-Mail and leave the HTML module turned off, so I
    certainly can see it.


    Is that as good as mutt for viewing this list, especially archived
    posts?

    It's been fine for the mailing lists, I haven't needed to use any
    archives. I do use mutt on my server as that doesn't have graphics, but
    not very often. As far as email goes, I use a local SMTP server, so
    Claws doesn't talk directly to the outside world, though it can, of
    course. I have occasionally connected to an Internet email provider in
    setting up someone else's system.

    I also use it for Usenet access. I used to use Thunderbird for both, but
    that just got far too slow. Claws-Mail starts in less than a second and
    picks up the local IMAP server in only one or two more.


    I use a phone for email only if I'm away from home. I can
    see it in K9 on a Samsung phone.


    FYI - A review on the Play store indicates that the latest version of
    K9 is
    broken. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.fsck.k9

    It's not great, but I don't like using the Google email program, and I
    don't think anything else in the Play Store is open source. I do know
    that K9 is very old. It's very much a backup email method. If I'm away
    for more than a few hours, I'll take a real computer with me.

    --
    Joe

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