On Mon, 2024-10-21 at 03:48 +0800, louletian@sina.com wrote:

May be Deep Packet Inspection filters
    evasion.China's network is like a black hole.Every connection to
other countries will be censored by Great Fire Wall.Chinese
government is holly shit.

Everybody I know, in China, uses a VPN.
It's an open secret.
The authorities know about it, and as long as it's not overt, they
don't do anything about it.
Cheers!

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发件人："Alexander V. Makartsev" <avbetev@gmail.com> 收件人：louletian@sina.com
抄送人：debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
主题：Re: 回复：[OT] Strange BitTorrent traffic_from_China_IPs 日期：2024年10月21日 03点41分

On 21.10.2024 00:19, louletian@sina.com
      wrote:

   
   
     
      Because of Great Fire Wall?China's network is more complex than       other western countries.I am from China.

      ...

   
    Well this doesn't explain botnet-like behavior.

    What is the ultimate goal for doing this?

    Is this to somehow mask the traffic? Deep Packet Inspection
filters
    evasion? Something else?

   

    Notice that I also have legitimate torrent clients connecting
from
    China IPs who ID themselves properly,

    download torrent chunks, correctly report download progress up to     100% and disconnect,

    just like normal client would do.

   

    --

       With kindest regards, Alexander.
     
       Debian - The universal operating system
 https://www.debian.org
   

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On Mon, 2024-10-21 at 05:29 +0800, louletian@sina.com wrote:

How to say.If Chinese criticize government especially President
Xi,then will be put in prison.In recent years,much programmers are
put into prison due to criticize President Xi.

Rubbish!
Besides:

https://www.debian.org/international/chinese/devel/people.zh-cn.html

and China currently taking over the world with regard to processor tech
and other fields.
China doesn't hide who it places in prison, and highly placed
personalities guilty of corruption are, in fact, highly publicised.
I can find just one (1!) programmer fined, not imprisoned, who is
currently appealing his case.
Cheers!

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发件人：David <curmudgeon@telaman.net.au>
收件人：debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
主题：Re: 回复：Re:_回复：[OT] Strange BitTorrent traffic_from_China_IPs
日期：2024年10月21日 05点22分

On Mon, 2024-10-21 at 03:48 +0800, louletian@sina.com wrote:

May be Deep Packet Inspection filters
    evasion.China's network is like a black hole.Every connection
to
other countries will be censored by Great Fire Wall.Chinese
government is holly shit.

Everybody I know, in China, uses a VPN.
It's an open secret.
The authorities know about it, and as long as it's not overt, they
don't do anything about it.
Cheers!

--------------------------------

----- 原始邮件 -----
发件人："Alexander V. Makartsev" <avbetev@gmail.com> 收件人：louletian@sina.com
抄送人：debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
主题：Re: 回复：[OT] Strange BitTorrent traffic_from_China_IPs 日期：2024年10月21日 03点41分

On 21.10.2024 00:19, louletian@sina.com
      wrote:

   
   
     
      Because of Great Fire Wall?China's network is more complex
than
      other western countries.I am from China.

      ...

   
    Well this doesn't explain botnet-like behavior.

    What is the ultimate goal for doing this?

    Is this to somehow mask the traffic? Deep Packet Inspection
filters
    evasion? Something else?

   

    Notice that I also have legitimate torrent clients connecting
from
    China IPs who ID themselves properly,

    download torrent chunks, correctly report download progress up
to
    100% and disconnect,

    just like normal client would do.

   

    --

       With kindest regards, Alexander.
     
       Debian - The universal operating system  https://www.debian.org
   

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On Mon, 2024-10-21 at 05:29 +0800, louletian@sina.com wrote:

How to say.If Chinese criticize government especially President
Xi,then will be put in prison.In recent years,much programmers are
put into prison due to criticize President Xi.

You are beginning to sound like a Falun Gong devotee hawking your
wares.
I go to China on a regular basis on business, but also to further my
pursuits in Taiji and Chi Gong, which Falun Gong claim to be purely
about.

Yet, many of the organisations that teach these disciplines are
partially or fully financially supported by the Chinese government.
So, what's so different about Falun Gong?

Perhaps if it didn't allow itself to be employed as an umbrella
organisation for three-letter government department agents, it would
have fared better.
Which governments?
Which countries are their devotees welcome in?

As you will it, but this is not a list to promote your propaganda
efforts.
Try elsewhere!
Cheers!

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----- 原始邮件 -----
发件人：David <curmudgeon@telaman.net.au>
收件人：debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
主题：Re: 回复：Re:_回复：[OT] Strange BitTorrent traffic_from_China_IPs
日期：2024年10月21日 05点22分

On Mon, 2024-10-21 at 03:48 +0800, louletian@sina.com wrote:

May be Deep Packet Inspection filters
    evasion.China's network is like a black hole.Every connection
to
other countries will be censored by Great Fire Wall.Chinese
government is holly shit.

Everybody I know, in China, uses a VPN.
It's an open secret.
The authorities know about it, and as long as it's not overt, they
don't do anything about it.
Cheers!

--------------------------------

----- 原始邮件 -----
发件人："Alexander V. Makartsev" <avbetev@gmail.com> 收件人：louletian@sina.com
抄送人：debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
主题：Re: 回复：[OT] Strange BitTorrent traffic_from_China_IPs 日期：2024年10月21日 03点41分

On 21.10.2024 00:19, louletian@sina.com
      wrote:

   
   
     
      Because of Great Fire Wall?China's network is more complex
than
      other western countries.I am from China.

      ...

   
    Well this doesn't explain botnet-like behavior.

    What is the ultimate goal for doing this?

    Is this to somehow mask the traffic? Deep Packet Inspection
filters
    evasion? Something else?

   

    Notice that I also have legitimate torrent clients connecting
from
    China IPs who ID themselves properly,

    download torrent chunks, correctly report download progress up
to
    100% and disconnect,

    just like normal client would do.

   

    --

       With kindest regards, Alexander.
     
       Debian - The universal operating system  https://www.debian.org
   

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On Mon, 2024-10-21 at 14:05 +0800, louletian@sina.com wrote:

Hi,DavidLet me tell you the truth,Here is a case that programmer was
put in prison due to criticize Chinese leader.CNN report https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/29/china/china-blogger-sentenced-program-think-intl-mic-hnk/index.htmlThe
 actual events are much more than reported especially in English report.Maybe you should seek more information about China human
rights,then you will have a good sight about these thing.

CNN report.
That says it all.
I've lived in China and I've seen it all.
Don't bullshit!
Take your agenda elsewhere.

--------------------------------

----- 原始邮件 -----
发件人：David <curmudgeon@telaman.net.au>
收件人：debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
主题：Re: 回复：Re:_回复：Re:_回复：[OT] Strange BitTorrent traffic_from_China_IPs
日期：2024年10月21日 06点06分

On Mon, 2024-10-21 at 05:29 +0800, louletian@sina.com wrote:

How to say.If Chinese criticize government especially President
Xi,then will be put in prison.In recent years,much programmers are
put into prison due to criticize President Xi.

Rubbish!
Besides:
https://www.debian.org/international/chinese/devel/people.zh-cn.html
and China currently taking over the world with regard to processor
tech
and other fields.
China doesn't hide who it places in prison, and highly placed
personalities guilty of corruption are, in fact, highly publicised.
I can find just one (1!) programmer fined, not imprisoned, who is
currently appealing his case.
Cheers!

--------------------------------

----- 原始邮件 -----
发件人：David <curmudgeon@telaman.net.au>
收件人：debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
主题：Re: 回复：Re:_回复：[OT] Strange BitTorrent traffic_from_China_IPs
日期：2024年10月21日 05点22分

On Mon, 2024-10-21 at 03:48 +0800, louletian@sina.com wrote:

May be Deep Packet Inspection filters
    evasion.China's network is like a black hole.Every connection
to
other countries will be censored by Great Fire Wall.Chinese
government is holly shit.

Everybody I know, in China, uses a VPN.
It's an open secret.
The authorities know about it, and as long as it's not overt, they
don't do anything about it.
Cheers!

--------------------------------

----- 原始邮件 -----
发件人："Alexander V. Makartsev" <avbetev@gmail.com> 收件人：louletian@sina.com
抄送人：debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
主题：Re: 回复：[OT] Strange BitTorrent traffic_from_China_IPs 日期：2024年10月21日 03点41分

On 21.10.2024 00:19, louletian@sina.com
      wrote:

   
   
     
      Because of Great Fire Wall?China's network is more complex than
      other western countries.I am from China.

      ...

   
    Well this doesn't explain botnet-like behavior.

    What is the ultimate goal for doing this?

    Is this to somehow mask the traffic? Deep Packet Inspection filters
    evasion? Something else?

   

    Notice that I also have legitimate torrent clients connecting
from
    China IPs who ID themselves properly,

    download torrent chunks, correctly report download progress
up
to
    100% and disconnect,

    just like normal client would do.

   

    --

       With kindest regards, Alexander.
     
       Debian - The universal operating system  https://www.debian.org
   

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On Mon, 2024-10-21 at 09:41 +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:

On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 04:33:56PM +1000, David wrote:

On Mon, 2024-10-21 at 14:05 +0800, louletian@sina.com wrote:

[...]

CNN report.
That says it all.

While CNN isn't a very credible source, there are other, far more
credible, which make a compelling point about human rights violations
and suppression of speech in China.

I've never experienced it, or witnessed it imposed on others.

I've lived in China

I believe you this...

and I've seen it all.

...but don't believe you that.

Well, congratulations.
You would appear to know more about me than I do.
The fact is, I've seen it all, from Guangdong, Fujian, Guizhou, Anhui, Shanghai, Shandong, Beijing, Tianjin, and, yes, even out to Xinjiang,
where the most reliable of your `sources' report human rights
violations that simply don't exist.
In fact, far more of China than most Chinese.

Don't bullshit!
Take your agenda elsewhere.

...and this makes you rather less than more credible.

Thanks, once again, for another trite example of your petit, snippy
mentality, Tomas.
Cheers, yourself.

Cheers

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On Mon, 2024-10-21 at 09:41 +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:

On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 04:33:56PM +1000, David wrote:

On Mon, 2024-10-21 at 14:05 +0800, louletian@sina.com wrote:

[...]

CNN report.
That says it all.

While CNN isn't a very credible source, there are other, far more
credible, which make a compelling point about human rights violations
and suppression of speech in China.

I've lived in China

I believe you this...

and I've seen it all.

...but don't believe you that.

Don't bullshit!
Take your agenda elsewhere.

...and this makes you rather less than more credible.

In fact, the only thing you have shown here is the effect American
control over German media has managed to turn Germany into the shithole
it currently finds itself in.

Cheers

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On Mon, 2024-10-21 at 16:41 +0800, louletian@sina.com wrote:

Listen to me,DavidI born in China,live in China for more than thirty
years.I had seen much corruption and violence caused by Chinese
Government mainly by CCP.Human rights violations and suppression of
speech in China are very commonYou just have a tour in most China countries,can't have a fully view about the  reality of China.To be honest,the foreigner have much more human right than Chinese in China

Stop bending my words.
I said I lived there.
Not travelled through on a bus.
Burble anything you like: I know you're nothing more than a silly
little propaganda bot.

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----- 原始邮件 -----
发件人：David <curmudgeon@telaman.net.au>
收件人：debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
主题：Re: 回复：Re:_回复：Re:_回复：Re:_回复：[OT] Strange BitTorrent
traffic_from_China_IPs
日期：2024年10月21日 15点57分

On Mon, 2024-10-21 at 09:41 +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:

On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 04:33:56PM +1000, David wrote:

On Mon, 2024-10-21 at 14:05 +0800, louletian@sina.com wrote:

[...]

CNN report.
That says it all.

While CNN isn't a very credible source, there are other, far more
credible, which make a compelling point about human rights
violations
and suppression of speech in China.

I've never experienced it, or witnessed it imposed on others.

I've lived in China

I believe you this...

and I've seen it all.

...but don't believe you that.

Well, congratulations.
You would appear to know more about me than I do.
The fact is, I've seen it all, from Guangdong, Fujian, Guizhou,
Anhui,
Shanghai, Shandong, Beijing, Tianjin, and, yes, even out to Xinjiang,
where the most reliable of your `sources' report human rights
violations that simply don't exist.
In fact, far more of China than most Chinese.

Don't bullshit!
Take your agenda elsewhere.

...and this makes you rather less than more credible.

Thanks, once again, for another trite example of your petit, snippy mentality, Tomas.
Cheers, yourself.

Cheers

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On Mon, 2024-10-21 at 17:02 +0800, louletian@sina.com wrote:

You seem like a Minister of Propaganda work for Communist Party of China.Good Job.Keep Moving 

No, I'm on a software/OS list for the information.
Obviously, you're not.

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----- 原始邮件 -----
发件人：David <curmudgeon@telaman.net.au>
收件人：debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
主题：Re: 回复：Re:_回复：Re:_回复：Re:_回复：Re:_回复：[OT] Strange BitTorrent
traffic_from_China_IPs
日期：2024年10月21日 16点51分

On Mon, 2024-10-21 at 16:41 +0800, louletian@sina.com wrote:

Listen to me,DavidI born in China,live in China for more than
thirty
years.I had seen much corruption and violence caused by Chinese
Government mainly by CCP.Human rights violations and suppression of
speech in China are very commonYou just have a tour in most China countries,can't have a fully view about the  reality of China.To be honest,the foreigner have much more human right than Chinese in
China

Stop bending my words.
I said I lived there.
Not travelled through on a bus.
Burble anything you like: I know you're nothing more than a silly
little propaganda bot.

--------------------------------

----- 原始邮件 -----
发件人：David <curmudgeon@telaman.net.au>
收件人：debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
主题：Re: 回复：Re:_回复：Re:_回复：Re:_回复：[OT] Strange BitTorrent
traffic_from_China_IPs
日期：2024年10月21日 15点57分

On Mon, 2024-10-21 at 09:41 +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:

On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 04:33:56PM +1000, David wrote:

On Mon, 2024-10-21 at 14:05 +0800, louletian@sina.com wrote:

[...]

CNN report.
That says it all.

While CNN isn't a very credible source, there are other, far more credible, which make a compelling point about human rights
violations
and suppression of speech in China.

I've never experienced it, or witnessed it imposed on others.

I've lived in China

I believe you this...

and I've seen it all.

...but don't believe you that.

Well, congratulations.
You would appear to know more about me than I do.
The fact is, I've seen it all, from Guangdong, Fujian, Guizhou,
Anhui,
Shanghai, Shandong, Beijing, Tianjin, and, yes, even out to
Xinjiang,
where the most reliable of your `sources' report human rights
violations that simply don't exist.
In fact, far more of China than most Chinese.

Don't bullshit!
Take your agenda elsewhere.

...and this makes you rather less than more credible.

Thanks, once again, for another trite example of your petit, snippy mentality, Tomas.
Cheers, yourself.

Cheers

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On Tue, 2024-10-22 at 02:06 +0800, louletian@sina.com wrote:

How are you，Minister of Propaganda of Chinese Communist Party?

Yes, and Xi Jinping pays me.
You sad little man.

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----- 原始邮件 -----
发件人：David <curmudgeon@telaman.net.au>
收件人：debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
主题：Re: 回复：Re: Re: 回复：Re:_回复：Re:_回复：[OT] Strange BitTorrent
traffic_from_China_IPs
日期：2024年10月22日 02点01分

On Tue, 2024-10-22 at 01:54 +0800, louletian@sina.com wrote:

Hi,JeffreySince 1949,CCP had killed more than 400 million people
directly or indirectly.As for tank man,he was probably killed by
CCP.

You're just a liar. https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2022/04/01/lifting-800-million-people-out-of-poverty-new-report-looks-at-lessons-from-china-s-experience

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发件人：Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> 收件人：louletian@sina.com
抄送人：debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
主题：Re: Re: 回复：Re:_回复：Re:_回复：[OT] Strange BitTorrent traffic_from_China_IPs
日期：2024年10月22日 01点07分

On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 2:11 AM <louletian@sina.com> wrote:

Hi,David
Let me tell you the truth,Here is a case that programmer was put
in
prison due to criticize Chinese leader.
CNN report https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/29/china/china-blogger-sentenced-program-think-intl-mic-hnk/index.html
The actual events are much more than reported especially in
English
report.
Maybe you should seek more information about China human
rights,then you will have a good sight about these thing.

Somewhat related, does anyone know what happened to Tank Man, <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_Man>?
I've looked for him on occasion, but I have not found mention of
him
since the uprisings. I assume he was imprisoned or murdered by the
Chinese government, like the many thousands of other protesters of
the
time. The protests happened in over 400 cities across China, and
China's response was brutal.
<
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests_and_massa cre>.
I have a framed picture of him hanging on my wall to honor him. I
don't know I would have the courage to do what he did.
Jeff

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