Hello list,

Have you anybody tried MS Edge browser on Debian desktop?
I would be happy to hear your viewpoints on this app.

Thanks.

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Response below/inline for email Hwa Peer wrote:

(original email sent 4 Nov 2024 at 20:15)

Have you anybody tried MS Edge browser on Debian desktop?
I would be happy to hear your viewpoints on this app.

I installed it on one system because I have to use Teams for work and
Teams would not work reliably on Firefox (or as the direct app). IME,
Edge is typically MS: doesn't follow Linux standards and is a memory
hog.

Caveat: I now have Teams working with Firefox (separate profile which
doesn't block as many things) so haven't used Edge in a few months.

--
Eric S Fraga via gnus (Emacs 31.0.50 2024-07-16) on Debian 12.0

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On 04/11/2024 12:15, Hwa Peer wrote:

Hello list,

Have you anybody tried MS Edge browser on Debian desktop?
I would be happy to hear your viewpoints on this app.

Thanks.

Why???

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On Tue, Nov 05, 2024 at 04:21:07 +0800, Bret Busby wrote:

Microsoft Edge is currently based on Chromium (the "Blink" engine); it
used to be based on Internet Explorer (the "Trident" engine). Assuming
that you're not trying to run the old version (e.g. you're not trying to use ActiveX plugins or similar) then, as someone else put it, why
wouldn't you just use Chromium, or Google Chrome.

I understand google chrome to be spyware and a privacy and security threat.

And you think Microsoft Edge isn't?

Anyway, the suggestion was "Chromium, or Google Chrome". So, feel free
to use or to ignore the suggestion as you see fit.

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On 5/11/24 02:24, Darac Marjal wrote:

On 04/11/2024 12:15, Hwa Peer wrote:

Hello list,

Have you anybody tried MS Edge browser on Debian desktop?
I would be happy to hear your viewpoints on this app.

Microsoft Edge is currently based on Chromium (the "Blink" engine); it
used to be based on Internet Explorer (the "Trident" engine). Assuming
that you're not trying to run the old version (e.g. you're not trying to
use ActiveX plugins or similar) then, as someone else put it, why
wouldn't you just use Chromium, or Google Chrome.

Basically, to those who know, what you're asking is a bit like "Has
anyone used File Explorer on Debian" or "Has anyone used Windows Update
on Debian".

Thanks.

I understand google chrome to be spyware and a privacy and security threat.

..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..............

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On November 4, 2024 12:21:38 PM Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> wrote:

On 5/11/24 02:24, Darac Marjal wrote:

On 04/11/2024 12:15, Hwa Peer wrote:

Hello list,

Have you anybody tried MS Edge browser on Debian desktop?
I would be happy to hear your viewpoints on this app.

Microsoft Edge is currently based on Chromium (the "Blink" engine); it
used to be based on Internet Explorer (the "Trident" engine). Assuming
that you're not trying to run the old version (e.g. you're not trying to
use ActiveX plugins or similar) then, as someone else put it, why
wouldn't you just use Chromium, or Google Chrome.

Basically, to those who know, what you're asking is a bit like "Has
anyone used File Explorer on Debian" or "Has anyone used Windows Update
on Debian".

Thanks.

I understand google chrome to be spyware and a privacy and security threat.

Chromium also? Just asking

..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..............

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On 5/11/24 04:35, Peter Ehlert wrote:

On November 4, 2024 12:21:38 PM Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> wrote:

On 5/11/24 02:24, Darac Marjal wrote:

On 04/11/2024 12:15, Hwa Peer wrote:

Hello list,

Have you anybody tried MS Edge browser on Debian desktop?
I would be happy to hear your viewpoints on this app.

Microsoft Edge is currently based on Chromium (the "Blink" engine); it
used to be based on Internet Explorer (the "Trident" engine). Assuming
that you're not trying to run the old version (e.g. you're not trying to >>> use ActiveX plugins or similar) then, as someone else put it, why
wouldn't you just use Chromium, or Google Chrome.

Basically, to those who know, what you're asking is a bit like "Has
anyone used File Explorer on Debian" or "Has anyone used Windows Update
on Debian".

Thanks.

I understand google chrome to be spyware and a privacy and security
threat.

Chromium also? Just asking

https://www.theregister.com/2024/07/12/chromium_api_system_information/


..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
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On 5/11/24 04:34, Greg Wooledge wrote:

On Tue, Nov 05, 2024 at 04:21:07 +0800, Bret Busby wrote:

Microsoft Edge is currently based on Chromium (the "Blink" engine); it
used to be based on Internet Explorer (the "Trident" engine). Assuming
that you're not trying to run the old version (e.g. you're not trying to >>> use ActiveX plugins or similar) then, as someone else put it, why
wouldn't you just use Chromium, or Google Chrome.

I understand google chrome to be spyware and a privacy and security threat.

And you think Microsoft Edge isn't?

Anyway, the suggestion was "Chromium, or Google Chrome". So, feel free
to use or to ignore the suggestion as you see fit.

I am not trhe one who wants to run MS Edge.

I have not used an MS web browser, for many years, as I do not use MS
Windows.

..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
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On Tue, Nov 05, 2024 at 05:21:15AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote:

On 5/11/24 04:35, Peter Ehlert wrote:

On November 4, 2024 12:21:38 PM Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> wrote:

[...]

Chromium also? Just asking

https://www.theregister.com/2024/07/12/chromium_api_system_information/

Thanks for that link.

My take is that the perimeter of "free" is currently moving quickly:
back then (TM) it was corporate secrets, patents and software licenses;
since a while it's "hacker capture": Google (and Microsoft, and Facebook,
and others, mind you) are, directly or indirectly, giving jobs (and tools,
and perspective...) to most of our community. In exchange, they squat
on strategic applications and services (Chrom*, Android, Github VSCode...)
and shape them in ways that others (Firefox et al) *have* to follow.

So while regulators are dragging Google to court for dominance in the
browser (well for its misuse in search), they:
- have pushed web devels to use their tools (Lighthouse) to "optimize"
(for whom?) their web sites
- have built dominance in mobile

etc. etc.

Same, of course, for the other biggies (and those named less often, like Palantir, etc.).

The newest "frontier" [1] seems to be AI, a bit early to tell, but they
seem to be betting on it.

Cheers

[1] Capitalism always needs a frontier, where it slashes and burns.
As Hannah Arend put it [2], capitalism has to repeat its original
robbery again and again.

[2] https://ebrary.net/139733/economics/accumulation_endless_repetition_original
--
tomás

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On Tuesday, 05-11-2024 at 05:24 Darac Marjal wrote:

On 04/11/2024 12:15, Hwa Peer wrote:

Hello list,

Have you anybody tried MS Edge browser on Debian desktop?
I would be happy to hear your viewpoints on this app.

Microsoft Edge is currently based on Chromium (the "Blink" engine); it
used to be based on Internet Explorer (the "Trident" engine). Assuming
that you're not trying to run the old version (e.g. you're not trying to
use ActiveX plugins or similar) then, as someone else put it, why
wouldn't you just use Chromium, or Google Chrome.

Basically, to those who know, what you're asking is a bit like "Has
anyone used File Explorer on Debian" or "Has anyone used Windows Update
on Debian".

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/edge/download?form=MA13FJ
Microsoft Edge is now available on Linux. Download for Linux (.deb) | Linux (.rpm)

Personally, I have no intention of using Microsoft Edge on Linux, so I cannot answer the original question "I would be happy to hear your viewpoints on this app", except that the only viewpoint I can offer is "I can no longer trust Microsoft since
Microsoft has added "telemetry" to their software".

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoftedge/forum/all/turn-off-enabled-edge3pserptelemetryenabled-in-ms/1124b262-af87-4953-868e-73f18f25f79f
Edge3P Telemetry in Microsoft Edge captures the searches user does on third party search providers without identifying the person or the device and captures only if the user has consented to this collection of data. User can turn off the collection at
any time in the browser settings.

Thanks.

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