On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 07:40:54 -0600
Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> wrote:

I just bought a new printer, an HP Color LaserJet Pro MFP 4301fdw, to
replace my nine-year old HP MFP black and white laser printer (which
was always connected directly by wire to my home network).

Now I am trying their latest code and having problems getting it to
work smoothly. The latest code doesn't work correctly (two other
users had posted a work-around for Ubuntu but it failed for me), so I
had to use the C/Bash/Python code archive to compile and install the
CUPS and other ways to advertise the printer on the network.

I bought an HP LaserJet MFP M234sdw several years ago. It is a
so-called "driverless" printer. Your experience sounds a lot like mine.
If your printer is also "driverless" I suggest you get rid of all
printer drivers unless you need them for some other printer you haven't mentioned.

You will probably want HP's HP Smart app on your phone to administer
it, even though it is an officious proprietary blob.

And identifying which "printer" will actually work is a PITA, as you
have found.

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On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 14:19:59 -0600
Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm going to try installing the OpenPrinting snap HPLIP on top of my
current mess and see what happens.

I suggest you use the debian packages hplip and hplip-gui instead of a
snap. Unless I have a really good reason to run a snap package, I
prefer to avoid them.

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On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 14:10:29 -0600
Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sun, Nov 10, 2024 at 17:48 Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> wrote:

On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 14:19:59 -0600

Oh my, I didn't realize those were packages.

General advice: Always check to see if a package is available. There
are a variety of ways to do that, not least searching debian packages. https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages

I'm still running Deb 11 and, after I install the packages,

Please don't tell me what you did, show me *exactly* what you did, as
you did after running hp-setup.

I get an error:

# hp-setup
HP Linux Imaging and Printing System (ver. 3.24.4)
Printer/Fax Setup Utility ver. 9.0

Copyright (c) 2001-18 HP Development Company, LP
This software comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY.
This is free software, and you are welcome to distribute it
under certain conditions. See COPYING file for more details.

error: No module named 'PyQt4'

That sounds suspiciously like something that uses QT, a graphics
library. Try running it with no GUI: "hp-setup -i".

I tried running:
sudo install backintime-qt4

I don't know where you got that. I guess the command probably should
have been:

sudo apt install backintime-qt4

Regardless, looking at the description of backintime-qt4 ("apt-cache
show backintime-qt"), I don't think it will help you.

but it made no difference.

And your Debian version is?

I run 12 and 13 here, but I do have one box still running 11.



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On 11/15/24 10:50, Tom Browder wrote:

On Fri, Nov 15, 2024 at 08:36 Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com <mailto:tom.browder@gmail.com>> wrote:
…

So far I cannot get scanning or copying to use the ADF in two-sided
mode.

Sorry, I lied about two-sided copying: I can do that, but menu is not
easy to use.

-Tom

I agree. xsane has done that w/o excitement since forever, until
bookworm. Now its one side at a time and a PITA. Printer sharing has disappeared too. What is happening to cups?

Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
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On 11/16/24 09:46, Tom Browder wrote:

On Fri, Nov 15, 2024 at 15:44 Timothy M Butterworth <timothy.m.butterworth@gmail.com
<mailto:timothy.m.butterworth@gmail.com>> wrote:
...

I use a program called simple-scan, it works great! I highly
recommend giving it a try. It is packaged and available through
Debian Main repo.

I've tried that before, and I didn't think it worked for my printer.

But, now that all else is working, I tried it again and saw I probably
wasn't using the menus properly. and it works! I was able to scan two-
sided from my ADF and save to my files system and print it two-sided. I
can do the same thing in color, too.

Now I can do it all.

Please excuse me, at 90 yo my patience is wearing thin with debian.

I had not tried it. It was installed already. it may be able to do all
that, my need for an ADF capable setup was solved yesterday but with may
page of waste paper, I was trying to do a double sided scan of a death certificate. How to do that is totally hintless in its gui.

Shame on whoever removed the ADF handling from xsane. I wish I was back
on wheezy, everything Just worked. I've lost scanning with the adf, ALL
printer sharing, and it many cases the ability to control my high end
brother printers tray selections. thats very important when the top tray carries $1.00 a sheet photo paper while the bottom tray carry's $9 a
ream copy paper.

This app may work well, but the menu's need help. And where is the close button? I now have a workspace with its open gui I cannot close except
killall. That works.

Thank you Timothy!

-Tom

I will also echo these thanks to Timothy. I would not have known about simple-scans ability to handle an ADF w/o his mention. Much
appreciated, thank you sir!

Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
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Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2024 at 11:59 AM
From: "gene heskett" <gheskett@shentel.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Modern HP MFD printers and Debian

On 11/16/24 09:46, Tom Browder wrote:

On Fri, Nov 15, 2024 at 15:44 Timothy M Butterworth <timothy.m.butterworth@gmail.com
<mailto:timothy.m.butterworth@gmail.com>> wrote:
...

I use a program called simple-scan, it works great! I highly
recommend giving it a try. It is packaged and available through
Debian Main repo.

I've tried that before, and I didn't think it worked for my printer.

But, now that all else is working, I tried it again and saw I probably wasn't using the menus properly. and it works! I was able to scan two- sided from my ADF and save to my files system and print it two-sided. I can do the same thing in color, too.

Now I can do it all.

Please excuse me, at 90 yo my patience is wearing thin with debian.

I am very supprised that you have not transitioned to another distribution.

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