• Flexible search tool for Debian repository

    From Richard Owlett@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 16 13:10:01 2024
    Synaptic's search nearly useless.

    I need a search tool which uses Boolean logic.
    I'm usually looking for a standalone app, NOT an add-on for another app.
    Rarely do I want a command line tool.

    Suggestions?
    TIA

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  • From Henning Follmann@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 16 13:30:01 2024
    On Nov 16, 2024, at 07:04, Richard Owlett <rowlett@access.net> wrote:

    Synaptic's search nearly useless.

    I need a search tool which uses Boolean logic.
    I'm usually looking for a standalone app, NOT an add-on for another app. Rarely do I want a command line tool.

    Suggestions?
    TIA

    Maybe
    apt-cache search …..
    ?




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  • From Richard Owlett@21:1/5 to Henning Follmann on Sat Nov 16 13:50:01 2024
    On 11/16/24 6:17 AM, Henning Follmann wrote:


    On Nov 16, 2024, at 07:04, Richard Owlett <rowlett@access.net> wrote:

    Synaptic's search nearly useless.

    I need a search tool which uses Boolean logic.
    I'm usually looking for a standalone app, NOT an add-on for another app.
    Rarely do I want a command line tool.

    Suggestions?
    TIA

    Maybe
    apt-cache search …..
    ?


    That has the logic I want.
    *BUT* it searches a local cache.
    I want to search the Debian repository.

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  • From Henning Follmann@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 16 14:00:01 2024
    On Nov 16, 2024, at 07:41, Richard Owlett <rowlett@access.net> wrote:

    On 11/16/24 6:17 AM, Henning Follmann wrote:
    On Nov 16, 2024, at 07:04, Richard Owlett <rowlett@access.net> wrote:

    Synaptic's search nearly useless.

    I need a search tool which uses Boolean logic.
    I'm usually looking for a standalone app, NOT an add-on for another app. >>> Rarely do I want a command line tool.

    Suggestions?
    TIA
    Maybe
    apt-cache search …..
    ?

    That has the logic I want.
    *BUT* it searches a local cache.
    I want to search the Debian repository.




    Why don’t you give it a try. I think you will
    be pleasantly surprised.
    :)

    -H

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  • From Chris Green@21:1/5 to Richard Owlett on Sat Nov 16 15:20:01 2024
    Richard Owlett <rowlett@access.net> wrote:
    On 11/16/24 6:17 AM, Henning Follmann wrote:


    On Nov 16, 2024, at 07:04, Richard Owlett <rowlett@access.net> wrote:

    Synaptic's search nearly useless.

    I need a search tool which uses Boolean logic.
    I'm usually looking for a standalone app, NOT an add-on for another app. >> Rarely do I want a command line tool.

    Suggestions?
    TIA

    Maybe
    apt-cache search …..
    ?


    That has the logic I want.
    *BUT* it searches a local cache.
    I want to search the Debian repository.

    apt-file searches the repositories, you'll probably need to install it
    as it's not installed by default.

    --
    Chris Green
    ·

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  • From Joe@21:1/5 to Richard Owlett on Sat Nov 16 15:40:01 2024
    On Sat, 16 Nov 2024 06:04:28 -0600
    Richard Owlett <rowlett@access.net> wrote:

    Synaptic's search nearly useless.

    I need a search tool which uses Boolean logic.
    I'm usually looking for a standalone app, NOT an add-on for another
    app. Rarely do I want a command line tool.

    Suggestions?


    You might try Google, with "Debian" (in quotation marks) added to your
    search terms. You will also find other software not submitted to or
    accepted by Debian, but packaged in a .deb file. It is your decision
    whether to trust such software.

    How good Google's logic is, I don't know. I only ever use quotation
    marks, + and - modifiers. But if I'm having difficulty finding
    anything, I'm happy to look through a page or two of results, maybe
    seeing something that suits me but would not have been found with a more rigorous search.

    --
    Joe

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  • From Richard Owlett@21:1/5 to Henning Follmann on Sat Nov 16 16:00:01 2024
    On 11/16/24 6:55 AM, Henning Follmann wrote:


    On Nov 16, 2024, at 07:41, Richard Owlett <rowlett@access.net> wrote:

    On 11/16/24 6:17 AM, Henning Follmann wrote:
    On Nov 16, 2024, at 07:04, Richard Owlett <rowlett@access.net> wrote: >>>>
    Synaptic's search nearly useless.

    I need a search tool which uses Boolean logic.
    I'm usually looking for a standalone app, NOT an add-on for another app. >>>> Rarely do I want a command line tool.

    Suggestions?
    TIA
    Maybe
    apt-cache search …..
    ?

    That has the logic I want.
    *BUT* it searches a local cache.
    I want to search the Debian repository.




    Why don’t you give it a try. I think you will
    be pleasantly surprised.
    :)

    -H


    No I wouldn't. Its manpage explicitly says it searches a local cache and
    even warns that such may not be up-to-date.

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  • From Joe@21:1/5 to Richard Owlett on Sat Nov 16 16:00:01 2024
    On Sat, 16 Nov 2024 08:51:59 -0600
    Richard Owlett <rowlett@access.net> wrote:




    I prefer DuckDuckGo ;}


    I've found Google better for non-controversial non-commercial stuff,
    somewhat like Wikipedia. Anything controversial or high-margin
    commercial, forget it. 'Don't be evil' is long gone.

    --
    Joe

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  • From Richard Owlett@21:1/5 to Chris Green on Sat Nov 16 16:00:02 2024
    On 11/16/24 7:58 AM, Chris Green wrote:
    Richard Owlett <rowlett@access.net> wrote:
    On 11/16/24 6:17 AM, Henning Follmann wrote:


    On Nov 16, 2024, at 07:04, Richard Owlett <rowlett@access.net> wrote:

    Synaptic's search nearly useless.

    I need a search tool which uses Boolean logic.
    I'm usually looking for a standalone app, NOT an add-on for another app. >>>> Rarely do I want a command line tool.

    Suggestions?
    TIA

    Maybe
    apt-cache search …..
    ?


    That has the logic I want.
    *BUT* it searches a local cache.
    I want to search the Debian repository.

    apt-file searches the repositories, you'll probably need to install it
    as it's not installed by default.


    Yes. Its manpage explicitly says it searches the repository.

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  • From Henrik Ahlgren@21:1/5 to Richard Owlett on Sat Nov 16 19:00:01 2024
    On Sat, 2024-11-16 at 08:51 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:
    I'm explicitly looking for packages residing in the Debian repository. I routinely do a web search if I'm unconcerned about where a program comes from.

    By repository, do you mean something else than what you have enabled in
    your APT sources.list?

    If you want to search packages you can directly install in your distro,
    have you tried aptitude?

    https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/aptitude/ch02s04s05.en.html

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  • From David Wright@21:1/5 to Richard Owlett on Sat Nov 16 19:00:02 2024
    On Sat 16 Nov 2024 at 08:56:51 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote:
    On 11/16/24 6:55 AM, Henning Follmann wrote:
    On Nov 16, 2024, at 07:41, Richard Owlett <rowlett@access.net> wrote: On 11/16/24 6:17 AM, Henning Follmann wrote:
    On Nov 16, 2024, at 07:04, Richard Owlett <rowlett@access.net> wrote:

    Synaptic's search nearly useless.

    I need a search tool which uses Boolean logic.
    I'm usually looking for a standalone app, NOT an add-on for another app.
    Rarely do I want a command line tool.

    Is that a way of saying you want one now?

    Suggestions?
    TIA
    Maybe
    apt-cache search …..
    ?

    That has the logic I want.
    *BUT* it searches a local cache.
    I want to search the Debian repository.

    https://packages.debian.org/index

    is comprehensive.

    Why don’t you give it a try. I think you will
    be pleasantly surprised.
    :)

    No I wouldn't. Its manpage explicitly says it searches a local cache
    and even warns that such may not be up-to-date.

    Most people want to limit their search to the architecture they use,
    and to packages they have access to (ie, from their sources.list).
    As for up-to-dateness, you do run apt-get update now and again?

    On Sat 16 Nov 2024 at 08:57:12 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote:
    On 11/16/24 7:58 AM, Chris Green wrote:
    apt-file searches the repositories, you'll probably need to install it
    as it's not installed by default.

    Yes. Its manpage explicitly says it searches the repository.

    Be aware that apt-file searches for filenames in packages,
    rather than package names and their descriptions.

    (And that's filenames, not pathnames.)

    Cheers,
    David.

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  • From tomas@tuxteam.de@21:1/5 to David Wright on Sat Nov 16 19:20:01 2024
    On Sat, Nov 16, 2024 at 11:52:37AM -0600, David Wright wrote:

    [...]

    Be aware that apt-file searches for filenames in packages,
    rather than package names and their descriptions.

    (And that's filenames, not pathnames.)

    Hm. I don't know what you mean by this, but I propose, as an
    experiment, that you compare the output of

    apt-file search ls

    and

    apt-file search /bin/ls

    ... my take is that it searches for matches whithin the full path.

    Cheers
    --
    t

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  • From David Wright@21:1/5 to tomas@tuxteam.de on Sat Nov 16 20:20:01 2024
    On Sat 16 Nov 2024 at 19:15:10 (+0100), tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
    On Sat, Nov 16, 2024 at 11:52:37AM -0600, David Wright wrote:

    [...]

    Be aware that apt-file searches for filenames in packages,
    rather than package names and their descriptions.

    (And that's filenames, not pathnames.)

    Hm. I don't know what you mean by this, but I propose, as an
    experiment, that you compare the output of

    apt-file search ls

    and

    apt-file search /bin/ls

    ... my take is that it searches for matches whithin the full path.

    Sorry, I meant to write directories.

    Cheers,
    David.

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  • From tomas@tuxteam.de@21:1/5 to David Wright on Sun Nov 17 07:50:01 2024
    On Sat, Nov 16, 2024 at 01:10:27PM -0600, David Wright wrote:
    On Sat 16 Nov 2024 at 19:15:10 (+0100), tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
    On Sat, Nov 16, 2024 at 11:52:37AM -0600, David Wright wrote:

    [...]

    Be aware that apt-file searches for filenames in packages,
    rather than package names and their descriptions.

    (And that's filenames, not pathnames.)

    Hm. I don't know what you mean by this, but I propose, as an
    experiment, that you compare the output of

    apt-file search ls

    and

    apt-file search /bin/ls

    ... my take is that it searches for matches whithin the full path.

    Sorry, I meant to write directories.

    Oh, now that you say that, I realize that your statement can be read
    in (at least) two ways and I used the wrong one, sorry :)

    Still: trying for "apt-file search /usr/bin" shows that it tries to
    match the search to the path too -- it isn't "anchored" at its last
    element (i.e. the "file name"). I learnt something new, thank you :)

    Cheers
    --
    t

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  • From tomas@tuxteam.de@21:1/5 to Cindy Sue Causey on Sun Nov 17 10:40:01 2024
    On Sun, Nov 17, 2024 at 03:56:40AM -0500, Cindy Sue Causey wrote:
    On Sat, 2024-11-16 at 14:36 +0000, Joe wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Nov 2024 06:04:28 -0600
    Richard Owlett <rowlett@access.net> wrote:

    Synaptic's search nearly useless.

    I need a search tool which uses Boolean logic.
    I'm usually looking for a standalone app, NOT an add-on for another
    app. Rarely do I want a command line tool.

    Suggestions?


    You might try Google, with "Debian" (in quotation marks) added to your search terms. You will also find other software not submitted to or accepted by Debian, but packaged in a .deb file. It is your decision whether to trust such software.


    I just tested the following in Google with perfect results (for me):

    dragonfly site:deb.debian.org

    That might not be universal across search engines so a quick query such
    as the following might yield something:

    how do i search within specific url in <favorite-search-engine>

    "site:" works also with DDG. I wouldn't touch Google with a sanitized
    ten-foot pole. That said, I'm looking for a DDG replacement, since they devolved to a Bing frontend :-(

    Cheers
    --
    t

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  • From Corey@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 17 13:30:01 2024
    November 17, 2024 at 6:30 PM, "Cindy Sue Causey" <butterflybytes@gmail.com mailto:butterflybytes@gmail.com?to=%22Cindy%20Sue%20Causey%22%20%3Cbutterflybytes%40gmail.com%3E > wrote:



    On Sun, 2024-11-17 at 10:30 +0100, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:


    On Sun, Nov 17, 2024 at 03:56:40AM -0500, Cindy Sue Causey wrote:
    On Sat, 2024-11-16 at 14:36 +0000, Joe wrote:

    You might try Google, with "Debian" (in quotation marks) added to
    your
    search terms. You will also find other software not submitted to
    or
    accepted by Debian, but packaged in a .deb file. It is your
    decision
    whether to trust such software.


    I just tested the following in Google with perfect results (for me):

    dragonfly site:deb.debian.org

    That might not be universal across search engines so a quick query
    such
    as the following might yield something:

    how do i search within specific url in <favorite-search-engine>

    "site:" works also with DDG. I wouldn't touch Google with a sanitized
    ten-foot pole. That said, I'm looking for a DDG replacement, since
    they
    devolved to a Bing frontend :-(

    I hear what you're saying so I thought on it a second then tried
    ChatGPT's search feature. I asked it if it had a list of trustworthy
    search engines. Received this as part of the answer:

    ***** BEGIN LARGE QUOTE *****

    1. Privacy-Focused Search Engines

    These search engines prioritize user privacy and do not track or store personal data.

    DuckDuckGo: A well-known search engine that does not track users and provides anonymous search results.
    Website: https://duckduckgo.com/

    Startpage: Offers Google search results but removes all personal
    data and tracking.
    Website: https://www.startpage.com/

    Qwant: A privacy-focused European search engine that does not track
    users.
    Website: https://www.qwant.com/

    Searx: An open-source metasearch engine that aggregates results from multiple sources without tracking users.
    Website: https://searx.me/

    Swisscows: A family-friendly and privacy-conscious search engine
    based in Switzerland.
    Website: https://swisscows.com/

    ***** END LARGE QUOTE *****


    That's a nice gathering for privacy focused search engines. Thanks.

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