Got an odd problem. xfce settings>keyboard repeat is lost on a reboot,
and I have to spend an hour or more, playing around with the repeat
settings, selecting different keyboards, the whole maryann before I can
get the repeat to work gain.

This keyboard is an escapee from a failed windows all in one that died
from monitor damage a couple weeks after I bought it, wired, usb, says
its an hp on the back, at least 115 keys, maybe more. has mute, vol up
and down keys above the arrow pad, and a 1/4 moon symbol on a 4th key
that puts the monitor to sleep and only a power down reset will reboot
to restore it. Front panel reset has no effect once this button has been pushed.

sudo lsusb -v says:

Bus 003 Device 005: ID 9901:0301 BF SCAN SCAN KEYBOARD
Device Descriptor:
  bLength                18
  bDescriptorType         1
  bcdUSB               1.10
  bDeviceClass            0
  bDeviceSubClass         0
  bDeviceProtocol         0
  bMaxPacketSize0        64
  idVendor           0x9901
  idProduct          0x0301
  bcdDevice            1.00
  iManufacturer           1 BF SCAN
  iProduct                2 SCAN KEYBOARD
  iSerial                 3 A-00000
  bNumConfigurations      1
  Configuration Descriptor:
    bLength                 9
    bDescriptorType         2
    wTotalLength       0x0022
    bNumInterfaces          1
    bConfigurationValue     1
    iConfiguration          0
    bmAttributes         0x80
      (Bus Powered)
    MaxPower              200mA
    Interface Descriptor:
      bLength                 9
      bDescriptorType         4
      bInterfaceNumber        0
      bAlternateSetting       0
      bNumEndpoints           1
      bInterfaceClass         3 Human Interface Device
      bInterfaceSubClass      1 Boot Interface Subclass
      bInterfaceProtocol      1 Keyboard
      iInterface              2 SCAN KEYBOARD
        HID Device Descriptor:
          bLength                 9
          bDescriptorType        33
          bcdHID               1.10
          bCountryCode            0 Not supported
          bNumDescriptors         1
          bDescriptorType        34 Report
          wDescriptorLength      65
         Report Descriptors:
           ** UNAVAILABLE **
      Endpoint Descriptor:
        bLength                 7
        bDescriptorType         5
        bEndpointAddress     0x81  EP 1 IN
        bmAttributes            3
          Transfer Type            Interrupt
          Synch Type               None
          Usage Type               Data
        wMaxPacketSize     0x0008  1x 8 bytes
        bInterval               1
Device Status:     0x0000
  (Bus Powered)

Does anyone have an idea how to make this repeat function survive a
reboot?, and what keyboard I should select from that pulldown on the settings>keyboard menu?

Thanks

Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.

--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
- Louis D. Brandeis

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* gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> [25-01/13=Mon 03:15 -0500]:

Got an odd problem. xfce settings>keyboard repeat is lost on a reboot, and I have to spend an hour or more, playing around with the repeat settings, selecting different keyboards, the whole maryann before I can get the repeat to work gain.

This keyboard is an escapee from a failed windows all in one that died from monitor damage a couple weeks after I bought it, wired, usb, says its an hp on the back, at least 115 keys, maybe more. has mute, vol up and down keys above the arrow pad, and a 1/4 moon symbol on a 4th key that puts the
monitor to sleep and only a power down reset will reboot to restore it.
Front panel reset has no effect once this button has been pushed.

sudo lsusb -v says:

Bus 003 Device 005: ID 9901:0301 BF SCAN SCAN KEYBOARD
Device Descriptor:
  bLength                18
  bDescriptorType         1
  bcdUSB               1.10
  bDeviceClass            0
  bDeviceSubClass         0
  bDeviceProtocol         0
  bMaxPacketSize0        64
  idVendor           0x9901
  idProduct          0x0301
  bcdDevice            1.00
  iManufacturer           1 BF SCAN
  iProduct                2 SCAN KEYBOARD
  iSerial                 3 A-00000
  bNumConfigurations      1
  Configuration Descriptor:
    bLength                 9
    bDescriptorType         2
    wTotalLength       0x0022
    bNumInterfaces          1
    bConfigurationValue     1
    iConfiguration          0
    bmAttributes         0x80
      (Bus Powered)
    MaxPower              200mA
    Interface Descriptor:
      bLength                 9
      bDescriptorType         4
      bInterfaceNumber        0
      bAlternateSetting       0
      bNumEndpoints           1
      bInterfaceClass         3 Human Interface Device
      bInterfaceSubClass      1 Boot Interface Subclass
      bInterfaceProtocol      1 Keyboard
      iInterface              2 SCAN KEYBOARD
        HID Device Descriptor:
          bLength                 9
          bDescriptorType        33
          bcdHID               1.10
          bCountryCode            0 Not supported
          bNumDescriptors         1
          bDescriptorType        34 Report
          wDescriptorLength      65
         Report Descriptors:
           ** UNAVAILABLE **
      Endpoint Descriptor:
        bLength                 7
        bDescriptorType         5
        bEndpointAddress     0x81  EP 1 IN
        bmAttributes            3
          Transfer Type            Interrupt
          Synch Type               None
          Usage Type               Data
        wMaxPacketSize     0x0008  1x 8 bytes
        bInterval               1
Device Status:     0x0000
  (Bus Powered)

Does anyone have an idea how to make this repeat function survive a reboot?, and what keyboard I should select from that pulldown on the
settings>keyboard menu?

I handle this kind of thing with the kbdrate program, which
is in the Debian package named 'kbd'. It's a command-line
application, so I'm not sure how to get it to work with Xfce.

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On 2025-01-13 08:03, Will Mengarini wrote:

* gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> [25-01/13=Mon 03:15 -0500]:

Got an odd problem. xfce settings>keyboard repeat is lost on a reboot, and I >> have to spend an hour or more, playing around with the repeat settings,
selecting different keyboards, the whole maryann before I can get the repeat >> to work gain.

This keyboard is an escapee from a failed windows all in one that died from >> monitor damage a couple weeks after I bought it, wired, usb, says its an hp >> on the back, at least 115 keys, maybe more. has mute, vol up and down keys >> above the arrow pad, and a 1/4 moon symbol on a 4th key that puts the
monitor to sleep and only a power down reset will reboot to restore it.
Front panel reset has no effect once this button has been pushed.

sudo lsusb -v says:

//snip//

Does anyone have an idea how to make this repeat function survive a reboot?, >> and what keyboard I should select from that pulldown on the
settings>keyboard menu?

I handle this kind of thing with the kbdrate program, which
is in the Debian package named 'kbd'. It's a command-line
application, so I'm not sure how to get it to work with Xfce.

I simply use the xset program. Write a litle executable script and
add is to the xfce startup programs

Mine is: xset r rate 250 50

Call the script anything you want and make it executable. It'll be run everytime you boot.

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On 1/13/25 08:03, Will Mengarini wrote:

* gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> [25-01/13=Mon 03:15 -0500]:

Got an odd problem. xfce settings>keyboard repeat is lost on a reboot, and I >> have to spend an hour or more, playing around with the repeat settings,
selecting different keyboards, the whole maryann before I can get the repeat >> to work gain.

This keyboard is an escapee from a failed windows all in one that died from >> monitor damage a couple weeks after I bought it, wired, usb, says its an hp >> on the back, at least 115 keys, maybe more. has mute, vol up and down keys >> above the arrow pad, and a 1/4 moon symbol on a 4th key that puts the
monitor to sleep and only a power down reset will reboot to restore it.
Front panel reset has no effect once this button has been pushed.

sudo lsusb -v says:

Bus 003 Device 005: ID 9901:0301 BF SCAN SCAN KEYBOARD
Device Descriptor:
  bLength                18
  bDescriptorType         1
  bcdUSB               1.10
  bDeviceClass            0
  bDeviceSubClass         0
  bDeviceProtocol         0
  bMaxPacketSize0        64
  idVendor           0x9901
  idProduct          0x0301
  bcdDevice            1.00
  iManufacturer           1 BF SCAN
  iProduct                2 SCAN KEYBOARD
  iSerial                 3 A-00000
  bNumConfigurations      1
  Configuration Descriptor:
    bLength                 9
    bDescriptorType         2
    wTotalLength       0x0022
    bNumInterfaces          1
    bConfigurationValue     1
    iConfiguration          0
    bmAttributes         0x80
      (Bus Powered)
    MaxPower              200mA
    Interface Descriptor:
      bLength                 9
      bDescriptorType         4
      bInterfaceNumber        0
      bAlternateSetting       0
      bNumEndpoints           1
      bInterfaceClass         3 Human Interface Device
      bInterfaceSubClass      1 Boot Interface Subclass
      bInterfaceProtocol      1 Keyboard
      iInterface              2 SCAN KEYBOARD
        HID Device Descriptor:
          bLength                 9
          bDescriptorType        33
          bcdHID               1.10
          bCountryCode            0 Not supported
          bNumDescriptors         1
          bDescriptorType        34 Report
          wDescriptorLength      65
         Report Descriptors:
           ** UNAVAILABLE **
      Endpoint Descriptor:
        bLength                 7
        bDescriptorType         5
        bEndpointAddress     0x81  EP 1 IN
        bmAttributes            3
          Transfer Type            Interrupt
          Synch Type               None
          Usage Type               Data
        wMaxPacketSize     0x0008  1x 8 bytes
        bInterval               1
Device Status:     0x0000
  (Bus Powered)

Does anyone have an idea how to make this repeat function survive a reboot?, >> and what keyboard I should select from that pulldown on the
settings>keyboard menu?

I handle this kind of thing with the kbdrate program, which
is in the Debian package named 'kbd'. It's a command-line
application, so I'm not sure how to get it to work with Xfce.

Well, somehow I must have hit the magic twanger, cuz it was still
working after the powerdown the 1/4 moon key forced. I have no clue what
I did and cannot find that screen in the settings>keyboard menu any
more. Don't even have a settings>keyboard now, but its working. No clue
for how long. Thanks, I'll see if it will install. But apt says it is
installed and current. However, no man or info page.

So while apt says its installed, bash can't find it to run it.

gene@coyote:~$ pinfo kbd
Przemek's Info Viewer v0.6.13
Error: could not open info file, trying manual
Error: No manual page found
gene@coyote:~$ kbd --help
bash: kbd: command not found
gene@coyote:~$ sudo apt install kbd
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
kbd is already the newest version (2.5.1-1+b1).
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
gene@coyote:~$ sudo kbd --help
sudo: kbd: command not found

so I'm still confused.

Does this ring any bells?

Thanks Will M.

.

Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
- Louis D. Brandeis

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On 1/13/25 08:03, Will Mengarini wrote:

* gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> [25-01/13=Mon 03:15 -0500]:

Got an odd problem. xfce settings>keyboard repeat is lost on a reboot, and I >> have to spend an hour or more, playing around with the repeat settings,
selecting different keyboards, the whole maryann before I can get the repeat >> to work gain.

This keyboard is an escapee from a failed windows all in one that died from >> monitor damage a couple weeks after I bought it, wired, usb, says its an hp >> on the back, at least 115 keys, maybe more. has mute, vol up and down keys >> above the arrow pad, and a 1/4 moon symbol on a 4th key that puts the
monitor to sleep and only a power down reset will reboot to restore it.
Front panel reset has no effect once this button has been pushed.

sudo lsusb -v says:

Bus 003 Device 005: ID 9901:0301 BF SCAN SCAN KEYBOARD
Device Descriptor:
  bLength                18
  bDescriptorType         1
  bcdUSB               1.10
  bDeviceClass            0
  bDeviceSubClass         0
  bDeviceProtocol         0
  bMaxPacketSize0        64
  idVendor           0x9901
  idProduct          0x0301
  bcdDevice            1.00
  iManufacturer           1 BF SCAN
  iProduct                2 SCAN KEYBOARD
  iSerial                 3 A-00000
  bNumConfigurations      1
  Configuration Descriptor:
    bLength                 9
    bDescriptorType         2
    wTotalLength       0x0022
    bNumInterfaces          1
    bConfigurationValue     1
    iConfiguration          0
    bmAttributes         0x80
      (Bus Powered)
    MaxPower              200mA
    Interface Descriptor:
      bLength                 9
      bDescriptorType         4
      bInterfaceNumber        0
      bAlternateSetting       0
      bNumEndpoints           1
      bInterfaceClass         3 Human Interface Device
      bInterfaceSubClass      1 Boot Interface Subclass
      bInterfaceProtocol      1 Keyboard
      iInterface              2 SCAN KEYBOARD
        HID Device Descriptor:
          bLength                 9
          bDescriptorType        33
          bcdHID               1.10
          bCountryCode            0 Not supported
          bNumDescriptors         1
          bDescriptorType        34 Report
          wDescriptorLength      65
         Report Descriptors:
           ** UNAVAILABLE **
      Endpoint Descriptor:
        bLength                 7
        bDescriptorType         5
        bEndpointAddress     0x81  EP 1 IN
        bmAttributes            3
          Transfer Type            Interrupt
          Synch Type               None
          Usage Type               Data
        wMaxPacketSize     0x0008  1x 8 bytes
        bInterval               1
Device Status:     0x0000
  (Bus Powered)

Does anyone have an idea how to make this repeat function survive a reboot?, >> and what keyboard I should select from that pulldown on the
settings>keyboard menu?

I handle this kind of thing with the kbdrate program, which
is in the Debian package named 'kbd'. It's a command-line
application, so I'm not sure how to get it to work with Xfce.
.

gene@coyote:~$ kbdrate -p
Not supported
gene@coyote:~$ kbdrate --print
Not supported

The Puzzle remains. That was from an xfce4 shell,

Thanks.

Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.

--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
- Louis D. Brandeis

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On 1/13/25 08:16, Frank McCormick wrote:

On 2025-01-13 08:03, Will Mengarini wrote:

* gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> [25-01/13=Mon 03:15 -0500]:

Got an odd problem. xfce settings>keyboard repeat is lost on a
reboot, and I
have to spend an hour or more, playing around with the repeat settings,
selecting different keyboards, the whole maryann before I can get
the repeat
to work again.

This keyboard is an escapee from a failed windows all in one that
died from
monitor damage a couple weeks after I bought it, wired, usb, says
its an hp
on the back, at least 115 keys, maybe more. has mute, vol up and
down keys
above the arrow pad, and a 1/4 moon symbol on a 4th key that puts the
monitor to sleep and only a power down reset will reboot to restore it.
Front panel reset has no effect once this button has been pushed.

sudo lsusb -v says:

//snip//

Does anyone have an idea how to make this repeat function survive a
reboot?,
and what keyboard I should select from that pulldown on the
settings>keyboard menu?

I handle this kind of thing with the kbdrate program, which
is in the Debian package named 'kbd'.  It's a command-line
application, so I'm not sure how to get it to work with Xfce.

  I simply use the xset program. Write a litle executable script and
add is to the xfce startup programs

Mine is: xset r rate 250 50

Call the script anything you want and make it executable. It'll be run everytime you boot.

looks lkie xset is the gatekeeper, a -q give the same results as the
settings gui did.

Thank you Frank Mc

Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.

--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
- Louis D. Brandeis

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On Mon, Jan 13, 2025 at 10:46:18 -0500, gene heskett wrote:

On 1/13/25 08:03, Will Mengarini wrote:

I handle this kind of thing with the kbdrate program, which
is in the Debian package named 'kbd'.

gene@coyote:~$ pinfo kbd
Przemek's Info Viewer v0.6.13
Error: could not open info file, trying manual
Error: No manual page found
gene@coyote:~$ kbd --help
bash: kbd: command not found
gene@coyote:~$ sudo apt install kbd
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
kbd is already the newest version (2.5.1-1+b1).
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
gene@coyote:~$ sudo kbd --help
sudo: kbd: command not found

so I'm still confused.

Please read Will's text again, more slowly. I've trimmed it down to
the relevant bit.

Also, you can examine the list of files in a package. If the package
is installed, dpkg -L works. Otherwise, you can look on the web. <https://packages.debian.org/bookworm/amd64/kbd/filelist> lists them,
for this particular case.

You've been using Debian long enough that you should know how to do
these things without needing this level of hand-holding.

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Hi,

Will Mengarini wrote:

I handle this kind of thing with the kbdrate program, which
is in the Debian package named 'kbd'.

Sid:
/usr/sbin/kbdrate
https://packages.debian.org/sid/amd64/kbd/filelist
Bookworm:
/sbin/kbdrate
https://packages.debian.org/bookworm/amd64/kbd/filelist

The paths in both cases look like the program is intended for the
superuser.


gene heskett wrote:

I'll see if it will install. But apt says it is installed and current. However, no man or info page.

Well, programs have man pages. Debian packages as a whole most often have
none.

bash: kbd: command not found

The package "kbd" does not contain a program named kbd.
Try some of those in /bin, /sbin, /usr/bin, or /usr/sbin in
https://packages.debian.org/bookworm/amd64/kbd/filelist

(The man page of kbdrate is listed as
/usr/share/man/man8/kbdrate.8.gz
)


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

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On Mon, Jan 13, 2025 at 11:13:40AM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote:

On Mon, Jan 13, 2025 at 10:46:18 -0500, gene heskett wrote:

On 1/13/25 08:03, Will Mengarini wrote:

I handle this kind of thing with the kbdrate program, which
is in the Debian package named 'kbd'.

Please read Will's text again, more slowly. I've trimmed it down to
the relevant bit.

Also, you can examine the list of files in a package. If the package
is installed, dpkg -L works. Otherwise, you can look on the web. <https://packages.debian.org/bookworm/amd64/kbd/filelist> lists them,
for this particular case.

If all else fails and someone gives you a package name that you're not
familiar with use the apt-cache command to query details of the packages
that are known to apt:

apt-cache search kbd will give you packages that may relate to kbd

apt-cache show kbd will give you information about the kbd package itself.

You've been using Debian long enough that you should know how to do
these things without needing this level of hand-holding.

Many of us have been using Debian long enough that the above should apply: somehow, someone somewhere is always in the ten thousand people who
are hearing these things for the first time.

https://xkcd.com/1053

It is also always possible that they know enough that a recent newly
learned fact or command has pushed this out of of their short term or
longer term memory.

With every good wish, as ever,

Andrew Cater
(amacater@debian.org)

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On 1/13/25 11:26, Thomas Schmitt wrote:

Hi,

Will Mengarini wrote:

I handle this kind of thing with the kbdrate program, which
is in the Debian package named 'kbd'.

Sid:
/usr/sbin/kbdrate
https://packages.debian.org/sid/amd64/kbd/filelist
Bookworm:
/sbin/kbdrate
https://packages.debian.org/bookworm/amd64/kbd/filelist

The paths in both cases look like the program is intended for the
superuser.

gene heskett wrote:

I'll see if it will install. But apt says it is installed and current.
However, no man or info page.

Well, programs have man pages. Debian packages as a whole most often have none.

bash: kbd: command not found

The package "kbd" does not contain a program named kbd.
Try some of those in /bin, /sbin, /usr/bin, or /usr/sbin in
https://packages.debian.org/bookworm/amd64/kbd/filelist

(The man page of kbdrate is listed as
/usr/share/man/man8/kbdrate.8.gz
)
I did find kdbrate but all I could get out of it was "not supported"

xset otoh, seems to be the magic twanger in this case.

Thanks Tomas

Have a nice day :)

Thomas

.

Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
- Louis D. Brandeis

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export CST_KBD_DELAY=250 # [ms]
export CST_KBD_RATE=30 # [char/s]
export CST_KBD_REPEAT=34 # [ms]

# linux console (needs to be root):
kbdrate -s -r $CST_KBD_RATE -d $CST_KBD_DELAY

# in X
xset r rate $CST_KBD_DELAY $CST_KBD_RATE

# in wayland:
??

----
Please note that those settings are reverted if plugging
a keyboard (USB). Therefore I guess here is another way
using udev rules what I'm too lazy to figure out.

Also, in my use case, different keyboards have different
keys and need to be configured anyway. So I call a script
when switching a keyboard and put the script in .xsessionrc
for X sessions.

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