<div>Come on firefox devs</div><div><br></div><div>Dan <br></div></div>
Hello
I am a very long time happy firefox user using debian stable, but what on earth is going on with firefox lately. It is terrible. So slow and why is it not possible to have 2 separate instances anymore.
I have to say that reluctantly I have started using chromium, and i must
say it is so much faster and its also possible to have seperate instances without the cookies and stuff being used in both of them.
Come on firefox devs
Hello
I am a very long time happy firefox user using debian stable, but what
on earth is going on with firefox lately. It is terrible. So slow and
why is it not possible to have 2 separate instances anymore.
Hello
I am a very long time happy firefox user using debian stable, but what on earth is going on with firefox lately. It is terrible. So slow and why is it not possible to have 2 separate instances anymore.
I have to say that reluctantly I have started using chromium, and i must
say it is so much faster and its also possible to have seperate instances without the cookies and stuff being used in both of them.
On 13/1/25 22:26, Daniel Harris wrote:
Hello
I am a very long time happy firefox user using debian stable, but what
on earth is going on with firefox lately. It is terrible. So slow and
why is it not possible to have 2 separate instances anymore.
So, how many RAMs do you have, and, what are the other specifications of
your computer?
If you are running an 80386 with 32MB of RAM, firefox will probably be a
bit slow.
Statements like in the post above, are like complaining that your back
hurts, with no other information.
..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..............
On 13/1/25 22:26, Daniel Harris wrote:And, regarding the "why is it not possible to have 2 separate
Hello
I am a very long time happy firefox user using debian stable, but what
on earth is going on with firefox lately. It is terrible. So slow
and why is it not possible to have 2 separate instances anymore.
So, how many RAMs do you have, and, what are the other specifications of
your computer?
If you are running an 80386 with 32MB of RAM, firefox will probably be a
bit slow.
Statements like in the post above, are like complaining that your back
hurts, with no other information.
..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..............
I am a very long time happy firefox user using debian stable, but what on earth is going on with firefox lately. It is terrible. So slow
and why is
it not possible to have 2 separate instances anymore.
Come on firefox devs
On 13 Jan 2025 14:26 +0000, from mail.dharris@googlemail.com (Daniel
Harris):
I am a very long time happy firefox user using debian stable, but what on earth is going on with firefox lately. It is terrible. So slow
Can you give a specific example of a situation when the browser is
slow? Which exact version of Firefox are you running which is "so
slow"?
and why is
it not possible to have 2 separate instances anymore.
How exactly do you try to "have 2 separate instances", and what
exactly happens when you do try?
Come on firefox devs
Probably not many of those on the debian-user mailing list; and even
if there are, a post to an unrelated mailing list is not the way to
file bug reports with any project, let alone a major one like Firefox.
--
Michael Kjörling
🔗 https://michael.kjorling.se
On 13 Jan 2025 14:26 +0000, from mail.dharris@googlemail.com (Daniel Harris):
Come on firefox devs
Probably not many of those on the debian-user mailing list; and even
if there are, a post to an unrelated mailing list is not the way to
file bug reports with any project, let alone a major one like Firefox.
On 13/1/25 23:55, Michael Kjörling wrote:
On 13 Jan 2025 14:26 +0000, from mail.dharris@googlemail.com (Daniel
Harris):
<snip>
Come on firefox devs
Probably not many of those on the debian-user mailing list; and even
if there are, a post to an unrelated mailing list is not the way to
file bug reports with any project, let alone a major one like Firefox.
An issue applies, regarding this.
I had thought, at first, that the original poster should be directed to
the Firefox mailing list (https://groups.io/g/firefox-support), rather
than having the post dealt with on this list.
Then, I thought, each distribution of Linux, has its own package
maintainers, for each package, and, so, variations could apply, between different implementations of Firefox.
So, that aspect exists, and, also, regarding that, independent mailing
lists, such as the Firefox mailing list cited above, are usually run by users, for users, and, often, developers and maintainers, do not
participate in such lists - the lists are usually, simply users of an application, helping other users of the application.
So, whilst, "on the face of it", raising problems regarding an
application, such as Firefox, on an operating system list, such as this,
may seem inappropriate, with such queries and posts, being more
appropriately addressed to lists dedicated to each particular
application, it might be that it is not necessarily, that simple.
..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..............
On 13 Jan 2025 14:26 +0000, from mail.dharris@googlemail.com (Daniel Harris):
I am a very long time happy firefox user using debian stable, but what on
earth is going on with firefox lately. It is terrible. So slow
Can you give a specific example of a situation when the browser is
slow? Which exact version of Firefox are you running which is "so
slow"?
and why is
it not possible to have 2 separate instances anymore.
How exactly do you try to "have 2 separate instances", and what
exactly happens when you do try?
Come on firefox devs
Probably not many of those on the debian-user mailing list; and even
if there are, a post to an unrelated mailing list is not the way to
file bug reports with any project, let alone a major one like Firefox.
Now its possible something to do with ublockorigin but the
two sites that show a slowdown are youtube and another piece of software called dxtrade (I think i disabled ublock on dxtrade). Everything seems
to start off fine but the longer the windows are open or more windows
are open the youtube tabs or dxtrade just seem to freeze.
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2025 at 10:03 AM
From: "Bret Busby" <bret@busby.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: What is going on with firefox
On 13/1/25 22:26, Daniel Harris wrote:
Hello
I am a very long time happy firefox user using debian stable, but what
on earth is going on with firefox lately. It is terrible. So slow and why is it not possible to have 2 separate instances anymore.
So, how many RAMs do you have, and, what are the other specifications of your computer?
On 14/1/25 00:33, Bret Busby wrote:
On 14/1/25 00:19, Bret Busby wrote:
On 13/1/25 23:55, Michael Kjörling wrote:Now, with having said that, in going to the Firefox list (going to the list, defaults to the Messages page, unless using the URL for the list
On 13 Jan 2025 14:26 +0000, from mail.dharris@googlemail.com (Daniel
Harris):
<snip>
Come on firefox devs
Probably not many of those on the debian-user mailing list; and even
if there are, a post to an unrelated mailing list is not the way to
file bug reports with any project, let alone a major one like Firefox. >>>
An issue applies, regarding this.
I had thought, at first, that the original poster should be directed
to the Firefox mailing list (https://groups.io/g/firefox-support),
rather than having the post dealt with on this list.
Then, I thought, each distribution of Linux, has its own package
maintainers, for each package, and, so, variations could apply,
between different implementations of Firefox.
So, that aspect exists, and, also, regarding that, independent mailing
lists, such as the Firefox mailing list cited above, are usually run
by users, for users, and, often, developers and maintainers, do not
participate in such lists - the lists are usually, simply users of an
application, helping other users of the application.
So, whilst, "on the face of it", raising problems regarding an
application, such as Firefox, on an operating system list, such as
this, may seem inappropriate, with such queries and posts, being more
appropriately addressed to lists dedicated to each particular
application, it might be that it is not necessarily, that simple.
..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..............
home page), I saw a message that I had posted to that list in December,
https://groups.io/g/firefox-support/message/40
relating to Firefox and slowness of Firefox, following a thread on this list, in December, about slowness of Firefox.
So, the question now arises; Daniel (original poster in this thread) -
have you viewed the messages in the thread on this list, from December, with the Subject "Firefox alternatives?" ?
One of the things that came out of that thread, that I had mentioned in
a post to the Firefox users mailing list, is the Task Manager in
Firefox, that you may be interested in investigating.
If you view the original message in that thread on this list, the
problem description may relate to your problem.
..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..............
..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..............
<br></div><div>Thanks<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 13, 2025 at 4:38 PM Bret Busby <<a href="mailto:bret@busby.net" target="_blank">bret@busby.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquoteclass="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 14/1/25 00:33, Bret Busby wrote:<br>
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2025 at 1:17 PM
From: tomas@tuxteam.de
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: What is going on with firefox
On Mon, Jan 13, 2025 at 06:35:41PM +0100, pocket@homemail.com wrote:
[...]
I don't have any rams, but I do have some ewes.
Poking fun at people because of some typo is not only lame,
but also infantile.
I don't have any rams, but I do have some ewes.
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2025 at 10:03 AM
From: "Bret Busby" <bret@busby.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: What is going on with firefox
On 13/1/25 22:26, Daniel Harris wrote:
Hello
I am a very long time happy firefox user using debian stable, but what
on earth is going on with firefox lately. It is terrible. So slow and >>> why is it not possible to have 2 separate instances anymore.
So, how many RAMs do you have, and, what are the other specifications of
your computer?
I don't have any rams, but I do have some ewes.
Hello
I am a very long time happy firefox user using debian stable, but what on earth is going on with firefox lately. It is terrible. So slow and why is it not possible to have 2 separate instances anymore.
So the strange thing is (and this could be completely normal) that as I
am watching the process Manager, so I have 3 youtube pages open but no
videos playing, and without switching to any other tab, only the process Manager tab. The cpu keeps spiking from .25% to over 100% on different youtube processes. Not sure why it would need to do that on an idle tab.
On Mon, Jan 13, 2025 at 7:10 PM David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk <mailto:deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk>> wrote:
On Tue 14 Jan 2025 at 00:49:49 (+0800), Bret Busby wrote:
> I generally work on being able to open and keep open, a Firefox
> window, for each GB of RAM, which seems to work most of the time,
with
> one or more Windows, having multiple youtube tabs open.
>
> at present, on a system with 128GB RAM, I have 121 Firefox
> windows,and, 56 LibreWolf windows, open. neofetch shows the
system has
> (at present) been up about 3 1/2days (I have been having electricity
> supply problems, otherwise, the uptime could have been longer.
Running bullseye in 8GB (½GB swap is unused), FF has 124 tabs listed.
However, only about a dozen are active (as listed by ps and topmem).
So that's really the statistic to report. All the rest of the tabs
have yet to be visited since FF was started.
I restart FF every morning, and it restores all the tabs from the
previous session. Now, were I to Ctrl-PageUp my way across all
124 tabs, the machine would grind to snail's pace of swapping.
So I don't.
The tabs are localised: there are clumps related to different
problems, so stuff I last looked at, say, a fortnight ago will be
many tabs to the left of where I'm working now. I use the ▽ at the
top-right to navigate around, so as to skip over intervening tabs
without waking them from their dormant state. Every few months maybe,
I have a killing spree, killing off many clumps, though the BBC
schedules at the extreme left, for example, have been there for years.
I've also run a second FF today, as a different user, just to
download a couple of bank statements. That browser will never
usually have more than two or three tabs, all on one site, and
I close them all before I quit that FF.
That said, I've not noticed any slowdown recently. The first instance
is not quick starting up, but that one generally has to compete with
the daily housekeeping that occurs after I boot up. Subsequent
instances are quick.
Cheers,
David.
On Tue 14 Jan 2025 at 00:49:49 (+0800), Bret Busby wrote:
I generally work on being able to open and keep open, a Firefox
window, for each GB of RAM, which seems to work most of the time, with
one or more Windows, having multiple youtube tabs open.
at present, on a system with 128GB RAM, I have 121 Firefox
windows,and, 56 LibreWolf windows, open. neofetch shows the system has
(at present) been up about 3 1/2days (I have been having electricity
supply problems, otherwise, the uptime could have been longer.
Running bullseye in 8GB (½GB swap is unused), FF has 124 tabs listed. However, only about a dozen are active (as listed by ps and topmem).
So that's really the statistic to report. All the rest of the tabs
have yet to be visited since FF was started.
I restart FF every morning, and it restores all the tabs from the
previous session. Now, were I to Ctrl-PageUp my way across all
124 tabs, the machine would grind to snail's pace of swapping.
So I don't.
The tabs are localised: there are clumps related to different
problems, so stuff I last looked at, say, a fortnight ago will be
many tabs to the left of where I'm working now. I use the ▽ at the top-right to navigate around, so as to skip over intervening tabs
without waking them from their dormant state. Every few months maybe,
I have a killing spree, killing off many clumps, though the BBC
schedules at the extreme left, for example, have been there for years.
I've also run a second FF today, as a different user, just to
download a couple of bank statements. That browser will never
usually have more than two or three tabs, all on one site, and
I close them all before I quit that FF.
That said, I've not noticed any slowdown recently. The first instance
is not quick starting up, but that one generally has to compete with
the daily housekeeping that occurs after I boot up. Subsequent
instances are quick.
Cheers,
David.
On 14/1/25 05:34, Daniel Harris wrote:
So the strange thing is (and this could be completely normal) that as I
am watching the process Manager, so I have 3 youtube pages open but no videos playing, and without switching to any other tab, only the process Manager tab. The cpu keeps spiking from .25% to over 100% on different youtube processes. Not sure why it would need to do that on an idle tab.
On Mon, Jan 13, 2025 at 7:10 PM David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk <mailto:deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk>> wrote:
On Tue 14 Jan 2025 at 00:49:49 (+0800), Bret Busby wrote:
> I generally work on being able to open and keep open, a Firefoxelectricity
> window, for each GB of RAM, which seems to work most of the time,
with
> one or more Windows, having multiple youtube tabs open.
>
> at present, on a system with 128GB RAM, I have 121 Firefox
> windows,and, 56 LibreWolf windows, open. neofetch shows the
system has
> (at present) been up about 3 1/2days (I have been having
> supply problems, otherwise, the uptime could have been longer.
Running bullseye in 8GB (½GB swap is unused), FF has 124 tabs listed.
However, only about a dozen are active (as listed by ps and topmem).
So that's really the statistic to report. All the rest of the tabs
have yet to be visited since FF was started.
I restart FF every morning, and it restores all the tabs from the
previous session. Now, were I to Ctrl-PageUp my way across all
124 tabs, the machine would grind to snail's pace of swapping.
So I don't.
The tabs are localised: there are clumps related to differentyears.
problems, so stuff I last looked at, say, a fortnight ago will be
many tabs to the left of where I'm working now. I use the ▽ at the
top-right to navigate around, so as to skip over intervening tabs
without waking them from their dormant state. Every few months maybe,
I have a killing spree, killing off many clumps, though the BBC
schedules at the extreme left, for example, have been there for
I've also run a second FF today, as a different user, just to
download a couple of bank statements. That browser will never
usually have more than two or three tabs, all on one site, and
I close them all before I quit that FF.
That said, I've not noticed any slowdown recently. The first instance
is not quick starting up, but that one generally has to compete with
the daily housekeeping that occurs after I boot up. Subsequent
instances are quick.
Cheers,
David.
What add-ons have you installed in Firefox?
..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..............
So the strange thing is (and this could be completely normal) that as I am watching the process Manager, so I have 3 youtube pages open but no videos playing, and without switching to any other tab, only the process Manager tab. The cpu keeps spiking from .25% to over 100% on different youtube processes. Not sure why it would need to do that on an idle tab.
On Mon, Jan 13, 2025 at 21:34:39 +0000, Daniel Harris wrote:
So the strange thing is (and this could be completely normal) that as I am >> watching the process Manager, so I have 3 youtube pages open but no videos >> playing, and without switching to any other tab, only the process Manager
tab. The cpu keeps spiking from .25% to over 100% on different youtube
processes. Not sure why it would need to do that on an idle tab.
You think it's idle, but it's not. It's got live Javascript code, and
it's continually checking back with the web server to see if it should
notify you of things.
On Mon, Jan 13, 2025 at 21:34:39 +0000, Daniel Harris wrote:
So the strange thing is (and this could be completely normal) that as Iam
watching the process Manager, so I have 3 youtube pages open but novideos
playing, and without switching to any other tab, only the process Manager tab. The cpu keeps spiking from .25% to over 100% on different youtube processes. Not sure why it would need to do that on an idle tab.
You think it's idle, but it's not. It's got live Javascript code, and
it's continually checking back with the web server to see if it should
notify you of things.
On 14/01/2025 04:40, Tim Woodall wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jan 2025, Daniel Harris wrote:
I am a very long time happy firefox user using debian stable, but what on >>> earth is going on with firefox lately. It is terrible. So slow and why >>> is
it not possible to have 2 separate instances anymore.
It's not possible with chromium either. I have two separate X servers
running on two separate machines but displaying a desktop from a single
machine (two window managers running)
Tim, likely you are confusing ability of the same browser instance to have windows on multiple DISPLAYs and running multiple instances on the same display.
I am a very long time happy firefox user using debian stable, but what on earth is going on with firefox lately. It is terrible. So slow
and why is it not possible to have 2 separate instances anymore.
If that fails, it's time to stop and restart FF. I usually clean the
sqlite DBs by going to my FF profile directory and running this (buried
in a larger cleanup script):
12 Gen i9 processor
16 core
24 threads
64GB ram
onboard intel Alderlake GT1 gpu
should be sufficient to run firefox pretty well with not many tabs
running and light cpu usage and lots of free mem.
for file in $(find . -maxdepth 1 -name '*.sqlite' -print); do
Feeling you! My browsing experience has also been steadily declining. I
have an i5-6600 with 48 GB of RAM, which is aging, but it shouldn't
struggle having a few video tabs open. YouTube's UI is often actively lagging, with hover effects only appearing after a little while, delayed response to playback controls, etc.
My blame however goes mostly towards YouTube's bloat. Firefox struggling
with it is a symptom, not the cause.
On Tue, Jan 14, 2025 at 04:40:38AM -0500, Karl Vogel wrote:
[...]
If that fails, it's time to stop and restart FF. I usually clean the
sqlite DBs by going to my FF profile directory and running this (buried
in a larger cleanup script):
A browser, like Windows or any other non-operating system, has to be
rebooted from time to time.
The rituals of rebirth and that.
Cheers
Am I the only one to see this as a bug ?If that fails, it's time to stop and restart FF. I usually clean theA browser, like Windows or any other non-operating system, has to be
sqlite DBs by going to my FF profile directory and running this (buried
in a larger cleanup script):
rebooted from time to time.
The rituals of rebirth and that.
Yes. But it's often(usually?) bugs in the code run within the systems
rather than bugs in the systems themselves. In browsers, the code run "within the system" is in large part the Javascript code downloaded
from random sites.
On 14/01/2025 16:32, Tim Woodall wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jan 2025, Max Nikulin wrote:
On 14/01/2025 04:40, Tim Woodall wrote:I don't think so. I want to run multiple instances on different
On Mon, 13 Jan 2025, Daniel Harris wrote:
I am a very long time happy firefox user using debian stable, but what >>>>> on
earth is going on with firefox lately. It is terrible. So slow and why >>>>> is
it not possible to have 2 separate instances anymore.
It's not possible with chromium either. I have two separate X servers
running on two separate machines but displaying a desktop from a single >>>> machine (two window managers running)
Tim, likely you are confusing ability of the same browser instance to have >>> windows on multiple DISPLAYs and running multiple instances on the same
display.
displays. But any attempt to do anything on the second display seems to
have chrome first looking for the existing instance and then displaying
everything on that display.
I am still in doubts if Daniel needs different DISPLAYs.
Out of curiosity I have tried another instances of Chromium and Firefox from "ssh -X". Perhaps Firefox relies too much on hardware graphics acceleration and menus were not rendered. Chromium worked a bit better, but e.g. open file dialog appeared on the local screen. It is more or less expected. Desktop portal was running on the local display and I was not tried to isolate D-Bus session. I consider it as a limitation of desktop user session rather than of browsers.
I have not tried it, but sharing whole session might work better, e.g. RDP and gnome-remote-desktop. It seems <https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/sharing-desktop.html.en> describes VNC access.
On 14/01/2025 17:11, Jean-Franois Bachelet wrote:
btw, you need to install noscripts from the extensions panel AND UBlock origin or Adblock plus at least if you want to get rid of all ads and javascripts code that have nothing to with the actual content of the
sites you browse (and are here only to spy on you)...
https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/Blocking-mode:-medium-mode
Roughly similar to using Adblock Plus with many filter lists + NoScript with 1st-party scripts/frames automatically trusted. Unlike NoScript however, you can easily point-and-click to block/allow scripts on a per- site basis.
My reading is that with uBlock-origin it is not necessary to install
NoScript (at least for some use cases).
On 14/01/2025 17:11, Jean-François Bachelet wrote:
btw, you need to install noscripts from the extensions panel AND UBlock origin or Adblock plus at least if you want to get rid of all ads and javascripts code that have nothing to with the actual content of the
sites you browse (and are here only to spy on you)...
https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/Blocking-mode:-medium-mode
Roughly similar to using Adblock Plus with many filter lists + NoScript with 1st-party scripts/frames automatically trusted. Unlike NoScript however, you can easily point-and-click to block/allow scripts on a per- site basis.
My reading is that with uBlock-origin it is not necessary to install NoScript (at least for some use cases).
I run [both uBlock-origin and NoScript], here. Noscript being the
most recently added. It does make a nontrivial difference...
Hello
I am a very long time happy firefox user using debian stable, but what on
earth is going on with firefox lately. It is terrible. So slow and why
is it not possible to have 2 separate instances anymore.
I have to say that reluctantly I have started using chromium, and i must
say it is so much faster and its also possible to have seperate instances
without the cookies and stuff being used in both of them.
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