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  • Re: About booting... and installing debian from your iso's

    From Joe@21:1/5 to CJE on Tue Jan 21 13:30:01 2025
    On Tue, 21 Jan 2025 12:20:44 +0100
    CJE <johan.schildt@gmail.com> wrote:



    My most recent experience trying to install sid was: YOur fucking
    script did not work AT ALL... so I had to install LMDE6 FIRST to get
    a running and boootable system... then youre intsallation scripts
    FINALLY understood what was going on... and lett med also add netinst
    debian stabel... WHat a complete catastrophe... I mean i have mad
    about several hundred debian installations

    A note: the direct sid installation is fairly recent and is a bit
    experimental. Debian Stable is the usual version installed, and the
    Stable installer is well-tested. There should be no problems even for
    newcomers to Linux.

    I use sid on my workstation, and have had to reinstall a few times over
    the years. I would never consider using the sid installer, I'm aware it
    may not work well, and I want to end up with a reliable system, or at
    least as reliable as sid can be.

    I would always install a minimal system (no GUI) from the current Stable netinstall, then upgrade to sid. If the installation is minimal you can
    usually get away with a direct upgrade to sid, though it is recommended
    to go via Testing. Then I would add what I needed.

    I understand your annoyance, but sid is a testing distribution which
    may have problems at any time, and the installer can hardly be expected
    to be better than the OS it installs. I'm sure in the past you have
    installed sid via Stable, and that is still the most reliable method.

    --
    Joe

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  • From Andrew M.A. Cater@21:1/5 to CJE on Tue Jan 21 19:00:01 2025
    On Tue, Jan 21, 2025 at 12:20:44PM +0100, CJE wrote:
    Hi,
    This mail is addressing some system level debian comments from recent
    changes you've made in iso structure and in installation...


    Hello Johan,

    <snip>
    and Ive been running unix for almost 40 years... and Linux since it came...


    OK - so you're an experienced user of Linux.

    My first point: I see that now you have changed your iso structure and
    thats a good thing, a long time coming... so good for you...
    but then there is your installation software... That's a whole different story.. My absolute best tip is to delete all that shit you are asking and replace with LMDE6 installation, hey... its free... so use it... and
    learn... The first thing is to install the Debian OS and to have it
    running, even if it needs more customization later... Primary: "Get it fucking running by all means". and then when you can customize it
    further... So what do you need to get it running: A user location etc., hardware config etc. and installer preferences... Nothing else is needed
    see LMDE installation...


    They possibly do things differently over at Linux Mint. There are various
    ways to invoke the standard Debian installer and there is also the option
    to install from a Debian live media image. I can understand frustration
    but please tone down your expression, maybe?

    My most recent experience trying to install sid was: YOur fucking script
    did not work AT ALL... so I had to install LMDE6 FIRST to get a running and boootable system... then youre intsallation scripts FINALLY understood what was going on... and lett med also add netinst debian stabel... WHat a complete catastrophe... I mean i have mad about several hundred debian installations
    so i wonder what the hell youre testing crew is doing... shape up!!!! I
    know that you can, and what software development is all about SO GET UP AND GET IT GOING!!!


    Which installer please and downloaded from where? We don't routinely provide
    a sid installer image. An install from Testing daily image has just
    succeeded for me, for example. Specifics, please.

    If you installed LMDE6 first - were you working on a pure Debian system
    at this point?

    As someone who routinely does Debian point release testing - we do test
    aspects of the Debian stable installer and also recently tested the
    Debian Trixie Alpha 1 release. The testing methodology and results are routinely noted in the Debian wiki.

    Now Im at last upp and running sid with compiz and other sw (I love especially wobbling windows, but also the cube), spotify, pulseffects, and
    a tweaked MATE desktop although painfully buggy... my plan is ardour and music/audio and would very much like to run Debian, my absolutely favourite OS....
    So Im satified for now... but Im concerned about what the fuck debian is doing when you let newcomers mess around with worlds best Unix/Linux system today!!! Shape up for God sake... copy what Trump is doing currently... responsibility is not always a bad thing... Elons meritocracy is a good
    thing anywhere it is used....


    I should suggest that "newcomers" is possibly not an adequate description
    for people with ~30 years worth of experience with Debian in the Debian images team. The political references are also probably off-topic and accordingly unwelcome - please refer to the monthly Debian-user FAQ.

    /best regards Johan S

    With every good wish, as ever,

    Andrew Cater
    (amacater@debian.org)

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  • From John Hasler@21:1/5 to CJE on Tue Jan 21 20:10:01 2025
    Do you understand what Sid is? If you want to run it install Stable and upgrade. That's the way to "Get it fucking running by all means and
    then when you can customize it further".

    CJE writes:
    so i wonder what the hell youre testing crew is doing.

    Testing "Testing", not "Unstable".
    --
    John Hasler
    john@sugarbit.com
    Elmwood, WI USA

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