I didn't realize that the posts would be so delayed, or that they
were going through at all. I hoped that they would just outright fail
until one finally went through and that would be it.

So, again, I apologize for the spam. I don't know of another way to test
it.

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Russell S.

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On Thu, Feb 06, 2025 at 09:20:18PM +0000, Russell Stinnett wrote:

I didn't realize that the posts would be so delayed, or that they
were going through at all. I hoped that they would just outright fail
until one finally went through and that would be it.

Hi Russell,

Maybe that's lesson #1 - email is asynchronous and not necessarily instant.

So, again, I apologize for the spam. I don't know of another way to test
it.

https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ might be helpful.

Welcome to the list, by the way :)

All the very best, as ever,

Andy Cater
(amacater@debian.org)

--
Thanks,

Russell S.

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On Thu 06 Feb 2025 at 21:20:18 (+0000), Russell Stinnett wrote:

I didn't realize that the posts would be so delayed, or that they
were going through at all. I hoped that they would just outright fail
until one finally went through and that would be it.

So, again, I apologize for the spam. I don't know of another way to test
it.

That's easy: there's a special list called debian-lists-test
with which to conduct experiments.

https://lists.debian.org/debian-lists-test/

Cheers,
David.

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On 7/2/25 05:20, Russell Stinnett wrote:

So, again, I apologize for the spam. I don't know of another way to test
it.

Stop it, or you will go blind...

..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..............

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On Thu, Feb 06, 2025 at 04:45:26PM -0600, David Wright wrote:

On Thu 06 Feb 2025 at 21:20:18 (+0000), Russell Stinnett wrote:

I didn't realize that the posts would be so delayed, or that they
were going through at all. I hoped that they would just outright fail
until one finally went through and that would be it.

So, again, I apologize for the spam. I don't know of another way to test it.

That's easy: there's a special list called debian-lists-test
with which to conduct experiments.

https://lists.debian.org/debian-lists-test/

TIL.

I have been a Debian Developer for going on 20 years and I never knew
about this list. It seems super handy.

Regards,

-Roberto

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David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> writes:

On Thu 06 Feb 2025 at 21:20:18 (+0000), Russell Stinnett wrote:

I didn't realize that the posts would be so delayed, or that they
were going through at all. I hoped that they would just outright fail
until one finally went through and that would be it.

So, again, I apologize for the spam. I don't know of another way to test
it.

That's easy: there's a special list called debian-lists-test
with which to conduct experiments.

https://lists.debian.org/debian-lists-test/

Cheers,
David.

Unfortunately, that list isn't mirrored to usenet, so it wouldn't really
be a complete test.

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On Fri, Feb 07, 2025 at 01:39:33AM -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote:

[...]

That doesn't make sense. Usenet and NNTP is a different protocol than
mailing lists and various email protocols. Why would you expect
protocols to cross pollinate?

Gateways. They live between protocols. In the concrete case, mail to
news gateways (for example gmane [1]).

Here's Shoshana Zuboff, quoting Hannah Arendt on accumulation:

"Marx's 'original sin of simple robbery,' she writes, "had
eventually to be repeated lest the motor of capital accumulation
suddenly die down"

The idea of silos came up with capitalism trying to rob society for
its own profit (early examples are AOL, the current ones should be
so well-known that they don't need mention, I think).

Cheers

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gmane
[2] Shoshana Zuboff, The Age of Surveillance Capitalism, chapter 4
"The Moat Around the Castle".
Marx's "original sin" are the enclosures [3], Hannah Arendt wrote
this in "The Origins of Totalitarianism" and attributes the idea
to Rosa Luxemburg.
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enclosures
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Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> writes:

I've never seen the Usenet equivalents documented anywhere. Do you
know what they are? Maybe something like comp.debian or
comp.linux.debian?

As an example, on news.gmane.io this debian-user list is gmane.linux.debian.user. If there's mirroring to general Usenet, I don't
know of it.

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On Fri, Feb 07, 2025 at 02:44:56AM -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote:

On Fri, Feb 7, 2025 at 1:55 AM <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:

On Fri, Feb 07, 2025 at 01:39:33AM -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote:

[...]

That doesn't make sense. Usenet and NNTP is a different protocol than mailing lists and various email protocols. Why would you expect
protocols to cross pollinate?

Gateways. They live between protocols. In the concrete case, mail to
news gateways (for example gmane [1]).

Indeed, Debian states the mailing lists can be read via Usenet groups (<https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/>): "Furthermore, you can browse
our mailing lists as Usenet newsgroups."

I've never seen the Usenet equivalents documented anywhere. Do you
know what they are? Maybe something like comp.debian or
comp.linux.debian?

They seem to live under the "linux" hierarchy, at least on Eternal
September [1]. But I haven't poked too deeply, so corrections are
welcome :-)

Cheers

[1] https://www.eternal-september.org/groups.php?hierarchy=linux
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On Fri, 7 Feb 2025 10:03:47 +0100
tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:

On Fri, Feb 07, 2025 at 02:44:56AM -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote:

On Fri, Feb 7, 2025 at 1:55 AM <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:

On Fri, Feb 07, 2025 at 01:39:33AM -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote:

[...]

That doesn't make sense. Usenet and NNTP is a different
protocol than mailing lists and various email protocols. Why
would you expect protocols to cross pollinate?

Gateways. They live between protocols. In the concrete case, mail
to news gateways (for example gmane [1]).

Indeed, Debian states the mailing lists can be read via Usenet
groups (<https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/>): "Furthermore, you
can browse our mailing lists as Usenet newsgroups."

I've never seen the Usenet equivalents documented anywhere. Do you
know what they are? Maybe something like comp.debian or
comp.linux.debian?

They seem to live under the "linux" hierarchy, at least on Eternal
September [1]. But I haven't poked too deeply, so corrections are
welcome :-)

Cheers

[1] https://www.eternal-september.org/groups.php?hierarchy=linux

Indeed, linux.debian.user is this one.

--
Joe

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Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, Feb 7, 2025 at 1:55 AM <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:

On Fri, Feb 07, 2025 at 01:39:33AM -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote:

[...]

That doesn't make sense. Usenet and NNTP is a different protocol than mailing lists and various email protocols. Why would you expect
protocols to cross pollinate?

Gateways. They live between protocols. In the concrete case, mail to
news gateways (for example gmane [1]).

Indeed, Debian states the mailing lists can be read via Usenet groups (<https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/>): "Furthermore, you can browse
our mailing lists as Usenet newsgroups."

I've never seen the Usenet equivalents documented anywhere. Do you
know what they are? Maybe something like comp.debian or
comp.linux.debian?

This one is called linux.debian.user, it's where I use it.

--
Chris Green
·

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tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:

On Fri, Feb 07, 2025 at 02:44:56AM -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote:

On Fri, Feb 7, 2025 at 1:55 AM <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:

On Fri, Feb 07, 2025 at 01:39:33AM -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote:

[...]

That doesn't make sense. Usenet and NNTP is a different protocol than
mailing lists and various email protocols. Why would you expect
protocols to cross pollinate?

Gateways. They live between protocols. In the concrete case, mail to
news gateways (for example gmane [1]).

Indeed, Debian states the mailing lists can be read via Usenet groups
(<https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/>): "Furthermore, you can browse
our mailing lists as Usenet newsgroups."

I've never seen the Usenet equivalents documented anywhere. Do you
know what they are? Maybe something like comp.debian or
comp.linux.debian?

They seem to live under the "linux" hierarchy, at least on Eternal
September [1]. But I haven't poked too deeply, so corrections are
welcome :-)

Cheers

[1] https://www.eternal-september.org/groups.php?hierarchy=linux

gmane is the hierarchy i see this group for reading and
replying.


songbird

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Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> writes:

Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, Feb 7, 2025 at 1:55 AM <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:

On Fri, Feb 07, 2025 at 01:39:33AM -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote:

[...]

That doesn't make sense. Usenet and NNTP is a different protocol than
mailing lists and various email protocols. Why would you expect
protocols to cross pollinate?

Gateways. They live between protocols. In the concrete case, mail to
news gateways (for example gmane [1]).

Indeed, Debian states the mailing lists can be read via Usenet groups
(<https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/>): "Furthermore, you can browse
our mailing lists as Usenet newsgroups."

I've never seen the Usenet equivalents documented anywhere. Do you
know what they are? Maybe something like comp.debian or
comp.linux.debian?

This one is called linux.debian.user, it's where I use it.

Indeed, SMTP and NNTP are quite different and can't be expected to cross pollinate. However, in Emacs and Linux, all things are possible, in
theory. So, with a little experimentation, and some regrettable spam, I
was able to use posting-styles and hooks in Gnus and read posts via
usenet and then follow-up to said post without switching interfaces. I
can now post/follow-up as if posting directly to a newsgroup.

Thank you everyone for you patience.

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"Russell S." <rsstinnett@pm.me> writes:

Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> writes:

Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, Feb 7, 2025 at 1:55 AM <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:

On Fri, Feb 07, 2025 at 01:39:33AM -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote:

[...]

That doesn't make sense. Usenet and NNTP is a different protocol than >>> > > mailing lists and various email protocols. Why would you expect
protocols to cross pollinate?

Gateways. They live between protocols. In the concrete case, mail to
news gateways (for example gmane [1]).

Indeed, Debian states the mailing lists can be read via Usenet groups
(<https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/>): "Furthermore, you can browse
our mailing lists as Usenet newsgroups."

I've never seen the Usenet equivalents documented anywhere. Do you
know what they are? Maybe something like comp.debian or
comp.linux.debian?

This one is called linux.debian.user, it's where I use it.

Indeed, SMTP and NNTP are quite different and can't be expected to cross pollinate. However, in Emacs and Linux, all things are possible, in
theory. So, with a little experimentation, and some regrettable spam, I
was able to use posting-styles and hooks in Gnus and read posts via
usenet and then follow-up to said post without switching interfaces. I
can now post/follow-up as if posting directly to a newsgroup.

Thank you everyone for you patience.

Hellow Russell,

I read messages on <nntp:gmane.linux.debian.user>.
I send messages to <smtp:debian-user@lists.debian.org>.

Also i'm Gnus fan^^^


Sincerely, Byunghee

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