• Kernel not upgrading in all systems

    From Gary Dale@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 8 18:10:01 2025
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    I have a few systems running Debian/Stable (Bookworm). However the
    kernel version isn't always the same for some reason. After this
    morning's update, I noticed that 2 of the 3 systems upgraded the kernel
    but to different versions. This is shown by running uname -a.

    The first is a VM. It has been using this kernel for a while now, as it
    hasn't updated any packages recently. It is updated from the Debian U.S. repositories.

    /  Linux VM1 6.1.0-21-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.1.90-1 (2024-05-03) x86_64 GNU/Linux/

    The second is a real machine. The kernel updated this morning. It is
    updated from the Canadian mirrors.

    /  Linux RM1 6.1.0-21-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.1.90-1 (2024-05-03) x86_64 GNU/Linux/

    The third is also a real machine. It hosts the VM (among others). It
    also updated the kernel today.It is also updated from the Canadian mirrors.

    /  Linux RM2 6.1.0-31-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.1.128-1 (2025-02-07) x86_64 GNU/Linux
    /

    Running |/dpkg -l | grep "^hi" / and confirming with ||/dpkg
    --get-selections | grep "\<hold$"/ shows that I have no held packages.|

    |The hardware (real and virtual) is similar in that they are all running
    AMD CPUs (Ryzen).|

    |I run the updates on all 3 machines at least weekly, so I'm wondering
    why they aren't all getting the same kernel upgrades. Why did RM1 only
    get a 9 month old update today while RM2 got an update from yesterday
    already?
    |

    |VM1: /etc/apt/sources.list|

    |deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free-firmware
    deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free-firmware

    deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stable-security main non-free-firmware
    deb-src http://security.debian.org/debian-security stable-security main non-free-firmware

    deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stable-updates main non-free-firmware
    deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stable-updates main non-free-firmware

    |

    |RM1: /etc/apt/sources.list|

    deb http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free-firmware
    deb-src http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free-firmware

    deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security main non-free-firmware
    deb-src http://security.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security
    main non-free-firmware

    deb http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ stable-updates main
    deb-src http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ stable-updates main

    |RM2: /etc/apt/sources.list
    |

    deb http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free-firmware
    deb-src http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free-firmware

    deb http://security.debian.org/ stable-security main
    deb-src http://security.debian.org/ stable-security main

    deb http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ stable-updates main
    deb-src http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ stable-updates main

    RM2 also has this in sources.list.d

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 89 Dec 10  2023 jitsi-stable.list
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 49 Jul 14  2022 sury-php.list


    Can anyone help me understand this behaviour?

    Thanks.

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    <p><span style="font-family:monospace"><span
    style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">I have a few
    systems running Debian/Stable (Bookworm). However the kernel
    version isn't always the same for some reason. After this
    morning's update, I noticed that 2 of the 3 systems upgraded
    the kernel but to different versions. This is shown by running
    uname -a.<br>
    </span></span></p>
    <p><span style="font-family:monospace"><span
    style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">The first is a
    VM. It has been using this kernel for a while now, as it
    hasn't updated any packages recently. It is updated from the
    Debian U.S. repositories.<br>
    </span></span></p>
    <p><span style="font-family:monospace"><span
    style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;"><i>  Linux VM1
    6.1.0-21-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.1.90-1
    (2024-05-03) x86_64 GNU/Linux</i></span></span></p>
    <p><span style="font-family:monospace">The second is a real machine.
    The kernel updated this morning. It is updated from the Canadian
    mirrors.<br>
    </span></p>
    <p><i><span style="font-family:monospace"><span
    style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">  Linux RM1
    6.1.0-21-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.1.90-1
    (2024-05-03) x86_64 GNU/Linux</span></span></i></p>
    <p><span style="font-family:monospace">The third is also a real
    machine. It hosts the VM (among others). It also updated the
    kernel today.</span><span style="font-family:monospace"> It is
    also updated from the Canadian mirrors.</span><br>
    <span style="font-family:monospace"><span
    style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">
    </span><br>
    <i><span style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">  Linux
    RM2 6.1.0-31-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.1.128-1
    (2025-02-07) x86_64 GNU/Linux</span><br>
    </i><span style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">
    </span></span></p>
    <p><span style="font-family:monospace">Running </span><code><i>dpkg
    -l | grep "^hi" </i> and confirming with  </code><code><i>dpkg
    --get-selections | grep "\&lt;hold$"</i> shows that I have no
    held packages.</code></p>
    <p><code>The hardware (real and virtual) is similar in that they are
    all running AMD CPUs (Ryzen).</code></p>
    <p><code>I run the updates on all 3 machines at least weekly, so I'm
    wondering why they aren't all getting the same kernel upgrades.
    Why did RM1 only get a 9 month old update today while RM2 got an
    update from yesterday already?<br>
    </code></p>
    <p><code>VM1: /etc/apt/sources.list</code></p>
    <p><code>deb <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://deb.debian.org/debian/">http://deb.debian.org/debian/</a> stable main
    non-free-firmware<br>
    deb-src <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://deb.debian.org/debian/">http://deb.debian.org/debian/</a> stable main
    non-free-firmware<br>
    <br>
    deb <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://security.debian.org/debian-security">http://security.debian.org/debian-security</a> stable-security
    main non-free-firmware<br>
    deb-src <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://security.debian.org/debian-security">http://security.debian.org/debian-security</a>
    stable-security main non-free-firmware<br>
    <br>
    deb <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://deb.debian.org/debian/">http://deb.debian.org/debian/</a> stable-updates main
    non-free-firmware<br>
    deb-src <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://deb.debian.org/debian/">http://deb.debian.org/debian/</a> stable-updates main
    non-free-firmware<br>
    <br>
    </code></p>
    <p><code>RM1: /etc/apt/sources.list</code></p>
    <p><span style="font-family:monospace"><span
    style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">deb
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/">http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/</a> stable main non-free-firmware</span><span
    style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">
    </span><br>
    <span style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">deb-src
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/">http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/</a> stable main non-free-firmware</span><span
    style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">
    </span><br>
    <br>
    <span style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">deb
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://security.debian.org/debian-security">http://security.debian.org/debian-security</a> bookworm-security
    main non-free-firmware</span><span
    style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">
    </span><br>
    <span style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">deb-src
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://security.debian.org/debian-security">http://security.debian.org/debian-security</a> bookworm-security
    main non-free-firmware</span><span
    style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">
    </span><br>
    <br>
    <span style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">deb
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/">http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/</a> stable-updates main</span><span
    style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">
    </span><br>
    <span style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">deb-src
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/">http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/</a> stable-updates main</span><br>
    <span style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">
    </span><br>
    </span></p>
    <p><code>RM2: /etc/apt/sources.list<br>
    </code></p>
    <p><span style="font-family:monospace"><span
    style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">deb
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/">http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/</a> stable main non-free-firmware</span><span
    style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">
    </span><br>
    <span style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">deb-src
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/">http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/</a> stable main non-free-firmware</span><span
    style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">
    </span><br>
    <br>
    <span style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">deb
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://security.debian.org/">http://security.debian.org/</a> stable-security main</span><span
    style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">
    </span><br>
    <span style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">deb-src
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://security.debian.org/">http://security.debian.org/</a> stable-security main</span><span
    style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">
    </span><br>
    <br>
    <span style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">deb
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/">http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/</a> stable-updates main</span><span
    style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">
    </span><br>
    <span style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">deb-src
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/">http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/</a> stable-updates main</span><br>
    <span style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">
    </span><br>
    RM2 also has this in sources.list.d</span></p>
    <p><span style="font-family:monospace"><span
    style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">-rw-r--r-- 1
    root root 89 Dec 10  2023 jitsi-stable.list</span><span
    style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">
    </span><br>
    <span style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">-rw-r--r--
    1 root root 49 Jul 14  2022 sury-php.list</span><br>
    <span style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">
    </span></span></p>
    <p><span style="font-family:monospace"><br>
    </span></p>
    <p><span style="font-family:monospace">Can anyone help me understand
    this behaviour?</span></p>
    <p><span style="font-family:monospace">Thanks.<br>
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  • From Henrik Ahlgren@21:1/5 to Gary Dale on Sun Feb 9 12:30:01 2025
    On Sat, 2025-02-08 at 12:05 -0500, Gary Dale wrote:
     
    I have a few systems running Debian/Stable (Bookworm). However the kernel version isn't always the same for some reason. After this morning's update, I noticed that 2 of the 3 systems upgraded the kernel but to different versions. This is shown by
    running uname -a.
    ...
    Can anyone help me understand this behaviour?


    How did you attempt the actual uprade? Note that "apt upgrade" is not
    enough, you need to do "apt full-upgrade" when the kernel ABI has been increased (NN+ in linux-image-6.1.0-NN-amd64).

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  • From Greg Wooledge@21:1/5 to Henrik Ahlgren on Sun Feb 9 15:10:01 2025
    On Sun, Feb 09, 2025 at 13:22:50 +0200, Henrik Ahlgren wrote:
    On Sat, 2025-02-08 at 12:05 -0500, Gary Dale wrote:
    I have a few systems running Debian/Stable (Bookworm). However the kernel version isn't always the same for some reason. After this morning's update, I noticed that 2 of the 3 systems upgraded the kernel but to different versions. This is shown by
    running uname -a.
    ...
    Can anyone help me understand this behaviour?

    Did you reboot? "uname -a" shows the running kernel, which is not
    necessarily the newest installed kernel.

    What you really want to do is compare the output of "uname -a" (which
    shows the running kernel) with the output of "ls /boot/vmlinuz-*"
    (which shows the installed kernel images). That'll tell you whether
    a reboot is needed, at least in most cases.[1]

    How did you attempt the actual uprade? Note that "apt upgrade" is not
    enough, you need to do "apt full-upgrade" when the kernel ABI has been increased (NN+ in linux-image-6.1.0-NN-amd64).

    You're thinking of apt-get upgrade. What you said is correct concerning apt-get, but apt upgrade *will* bring in new kernel packages by default,
    so long as the metapackage is installed.

    The metapackage in question is the one without an ABI version number
    in it, but with the architecture in it. For me, it is named
    linux-image-amd64. On other architectures, it would be linux-image-ARCH.

    I would recommend that Gary check whether this is installed on the one
    system that appears not to have upgraded the kernel.

    [1] Sometimes, *very* rarely, a kernel security patch may be released
    that doesn't change the ABI version number. In this case, ls wouldn't
    show you that there's a newer kernel installed but not yet running.
    You'd have to use something like "dpkg -l linux-image\* | grep ^.i"
    to see the actual package version numbers, and compare that against
    the *second* version number in the output of "uname -a".

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  • From Hans@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 9 16:30:01 2025
    Dis you install the package "linux-image-amd64" ? If yes, the it should always update to the newest kernel.

    (Same for package "linux-headers-amd64")

    Hans

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  • From Gary Dale@21:1/5 to Greg Wooledge on Fri Feb 14 15:50:02 2025
    On 2025-02-09 09:01, Greg Wooledge wrote:
    On Sun, Feb 09, 2025 at 13:22:50 +0200, Henrik Ahlgren wrote:
    On Sat, 2025-02-08 at 12:05 -0500, Gary Dale wrote:
    I have a few systems running Debian/Stable (Bookworm). However the kernel version isn't always the same for some reason. After this morning's update, I noticed that 2 of the 3 systems upgraded the kernel but to different versions. This is shown by
    running uname -a.
    ...
    Can anyone help me understand this behaviour?
    Did you reboot? "uname -a" shows the running kernel, which is not necessarily the newest installed kernel.

    What you really want to do is compare the output of "uname -a" (which
    shows the running kernel) with the output of "ls /boot/vmlinuz-*"
    (which shows the installed kernel images). That'll tell you whether
    a reboot is needed, at least in most cases.[1]
    I always reboot after a kernel upgrade so uname -a should always return
    the current installed kernel.

    How did you attempt the actual uprade? Note that "apt upgrade" is not
    enough, you need to do "apt full-upgrade" when the kernel ABI has been
    increased (NN+ in linux-image-6.1.0-NN-amd64).
    You're thinking of apt-get upgrade. What you said is correct concerning apt-get, but apt upgrade *will* bring in new kernel packages by default,
    so long as the metapackage is installed.

    The metapackage in question is the one without an ABI version number
    in it, but with the architecture in it. For me, it is named linux-image-amd64. On other architectures, it would be linux-image-ARCH.

    I would recommend that Gary check whether this is installed on the one
    system that appears not to have upgraded the kernel.

    [1] Sometimes, *very* rarely, a kernel security patch may be released
    that doesn't change the ABI version number. In this case, ls wouldn't
    show you that there's a newer kernel installed but not yet running.
    You'd have to use something like "dpkg -l linux-image\* | grep ^.i"
    to see the actual package version numbers, and compare that against
    the *second* version number in the output of "uname -a".

    All 3 systems have the linux-image-amd64 metapackage installed.

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  • From Gary Dale@21:1/5 to Henrik Ahlgren on Fri Feb 14 15:30:02 2025
    On 2025-02-09 06:22, Henrik Ahlgren wrote:
    On Sat, 2025-02-08 at 12:05 -0500, Gary Dale wrote:

    I have a few systems running Debian/Stable (Bookworm). However the kernel version isn't always the same for some reason. After this morning's update, I noticed that 2 of the 3 systems upgraded the kernel but to different versions. This is shown by
    running uname -a.
    ...
    Can anyone help me understand this behaviour?

    How did you attempt the actual uprade? Note that "apt upgrade" is not
    enough, you need to do "apt full-upgrade" when the kernel ABI has been increased (NN+ in linux-image-6.1.0-NN-amd64).

    I always do "full-upgrade"

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  • From Gary Dale@21:1/5 to Max Nikulin on Fri Feb 14 16:00:01 2025
    On 2025-02-09 11:46, Max Nikulin wrote:
    On 09/02/2025 00:05, Gary Dale wrote:
    VM1: /etc/apt/sources.list

    I recommend to compare

        apt policy linux-image-amd64

    and

        apt policy

    I can't see any differences between them on the various systems.

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  • From Michael Stone@21:1/5 to Gary Dale on Sat Feb 15 04:10:01 2025
    On Fri, Feb 14, 2025 at 09:42:10AM -0500, Gary Dale wrote:
    All 3 systems have the linux-image-amd64 metapackage installed.

    What does
    apt show -a linux-image-amd64 | grep -e Version -e Sources -e Depends
    return on each system?

    If you
    apt update
    on each system, are there any error messages?

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  • From Gary Dale@21:1/5 to Michael Stone on Thu Feb 27 22:00:02 2025
    This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
    On 2025-02-14 22:00, Michael Stone wrote:
    On Fri, Feb 14, 2025 at 09:42:10AM -0500, Gary Dale wrote:
    All 3 systems have the linux-image-amd64 metapackage installed.

    What does apt show -a linux-image-amd64 | grep -e Version -e Sources
    -e Depends
    return on each system?

    If you
    apt update
    on each system, are there any error messages?


    On RM1

    # apt show -a linux-image-amd64 | grep -e Version -e Sources -e Depends

    WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in
    scripts.

    Version: 6.1.128-1
    Depends: linux-image-6.1.0-31-amd64 (= 6.1.128-1)
    APT-Sources: http://security.debian.org stable-security/main amd64 Packages Version: 6.1.124-1
    Depends: linux-image-6.1.0-30-amd64 (= 6.1.124-1)
    APT-Sources: http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian stable-updates/main amd64
    Packages
    Version: 6.1.123-1
    Depends: linux-image-6.1.0-29-amd64 (= 6.1.123-1)
    APT-Sources: http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian stable/main amd64 Packages
    # uname -a
    #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.1.128-1 (2025-02-07) x86_64 GNU/Linux


    ON RM2

    # apt show -a linux-image-amd64 | grep -e Version -e Sources -e Depends

    WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in
    scripts.

    Version: 6.1.128-1
    Depends: linux-image-6.1.0-31-amd64 (= 6.1.128-1)
    APT-Sources: http://security.debian.org/debian-security
    stable-security/main amd64 Packages
    Version: 6.1.124-1
    Depends: linux-image-6.1.0-30-amd64 (= 6.1.124-1)
    APT-Sources: http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian stable-updates/main amd64
    Packages
    Version: 6.1.123-1
    Depends: linux-image-6.1.0-29-amd64 (= 6.1.123-1)
    APT-Sources: http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian stable/main amd64 Packages Version: 6.1.64-1
    Config-Version: 6.1.64-1
    Depends: linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 (= 6.1.64-1)
    APT-Sources: /var/lib/dpkg/status
    # uname -a
    #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.1.90-1 (2024-05-03) x86_64 GNU/Linux

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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2025-02-14 22:00, Michael Stone
    wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite"
    cite="mid:2bbaa61c-eb48-11ef-9b6a-00163eeb5320@msgid.mathom.us">On
    Fri, Feb 14, 2025 at 09:42:10AM -0500, Gary Dale wrote:
    <br>
    <blockquote type="cite">All 3 systems have the linux-image-amd64
    metapackage installed.
    <br>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    What does apt show -a linux-image-amd64 | grep -e Version -e
    Sources -e Depends
    <br>
    return on each system?
    <br>
    <br>
    If you
    <br>
    apt update
    <br>
    on each system, are there any error messages?
    <br>
    </blockquote>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>On RM1<br>
    </p>
    <p><span style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;"># apt show
    -a linux-image-amd64 | grep -e Version -e Sources -e Depends </span><span
    style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;"> </span><br>
    <br>
    <span style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">WARNING: apt
    does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in
    scripts.</span><span
    style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">
    </span><br>
    <br>
    <span style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">Version:
    6.1.128-1</span><span
    style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">
    </span><br>
    <span style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">Depends:
    linux-image-6.1.0-31-amd64 (= 6.1.128-1)</span><span
    style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">
    </span><br>
    <span style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">APT-Sources:
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://security.debian.org">http://security.debian.org</a> stable-security/main amd64 Packages</span><span
    style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">
    </span><br>
    <span style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">Version:
    6.1.124-1</span><span
    style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">
    </span><br>
    <span style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">Depends:
    linux-image-6.1.0-30-amd64 (= 6.1.124-1)</span><span
    style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">
    </span><br>
    <span style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">APT-Sources:
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian">http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian</a> stable-updates/main amd64
    Packages</span><span
    style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">
    </span><br>
    <span style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">Version:
    6.1.123-1</span><span
    style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">
    </span><br>
    <span style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">Depends:
    linux-image-6.1.0-29-amd64 (= 6.1.123-1)</span><span
    style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">
    </span><br>
    <span style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">APT-Sources:
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian">http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian</a> stable/main amd64 Packages</span><br>
    <span style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">
    </span><span style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">#
    uname -a</span><span
    style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">
    </span><br>
    <span style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">#1 SMP
    PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.1.128-1 (2025-02-07) x86_64 GNU/Linux</span><br>
    <span style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">
    </span><br>
    <span style="font-family:monospace"><br>
    </span></p>
    <p>ON RM2<br>
    </p>
    <p># apt show -a linux-image-amd64 | grep -e Version -e Sources -e
    Depends <br>
    <br>
    WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with
    caution in scripts.<br>
    <br>
    Version: 6.1.128-1<br>
    Depends: linux-image-6.1.0-31-amd64 (= 6.1.128-1)<br>
    APT-Sources: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://security.debian.org/debian-security">http://security.debian.org/debian-security</a>
    stable-security/main amd64 Packages<br>
    Version: 6.1.124-1<br>
    Depends: linux-image-6.1.0-30-amd64 (= 6.1.124-1)<br>
    APT-Sources: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian">http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian</a> stable-updates/main
    amd64 Packages<br>
    Version: 6.1.123-1<br>
    Depends: linux-image-6.1.0-29-amd64 (= 6.1.123-1)<br>
    APT-Sources: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian">http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian</a> stable/main amd64
    Packages<br>
    Version: 6.1.64-1<br>
    Config-Version: 6.1.64-1<br>
    Depends: linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 (= 6.1.64-1)<br>
    APT-Sources: /var/lib/dpkg/status<br>
    # uname -a<br>
    #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.1.90-1 (2024-05-03) x86_64
    GNU/Linux<br>
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  • From Gary Dale@21:1/5 to Gary Dale on Sat Mar 15 15:50:02 2025
    This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
    On 2025-02-27 15:59, Gary Dale wrote:
    On 2025-02-14 22:00, Michael Stone wrote:
    On Fri, Feb 14, 2025 at 09:42:10AM -0500, Gary Dale wrote:
    All 3 systems have the linux-image-amd64 metapackage installed.

    What does apt show -a linux-image-amd64 | grep -e Version -e Sources
    -e Depends
    return on each system?

    If you
    apt update
    on each system, are there any error messages?


    On RM1

    # apt show -a linux-image-amd64 | grep -e Version -e Sources -e Depends

    WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in scripts.

    Version: 6.1.128-1
    Depends: linux-image-6.1.0-31-amd64 (= 6.1.128-1)
    APT-Sources: http://security.debian.org stable-security/main amd64
    Packages
    Version: 6.1.124-1
    Depends: linux-image-6.1.0-30-amd64 (= 6.1.124-1)
    APT-Sources: http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian stable-updates/main amd64 Packages
    Version: 6.1.123-1
    Depends: linux-image-6.1.0-29-amd64 (= 6.1.123-1)
    APT-Sources: http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian stable/main amd64 Packages
    # uname -a
    #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.1.128-1 (2025-02-07) x86_64 GNU/Linux


    ON RM2

    # apt show -a linux-image-amd64 | grep -e Version -e Sources -e Depends

    WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in scripts.

    Version: 6.1.128-1
    Depends: linux-image-6.1.0-31-amd64 (= 6.1.128-1)
    APT-Sources: http://security.debian.org/debian-security
    stable-security/main amd64 Packages
    Version: 6.1.124-1
    Depends: linux-image-6.1.0-30-amd64 (= 6.1.124-1)
    APT-Sources: http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian stable-updates/main amd64 Packages
    Version: 6.1.123-1
    Depends: linux-image-6.1.0-29-amd64 (= 6.1.123-1)
    APT-Sources: http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian stable/main amd64 Packages Version: 6.1.64-1
    Config-Version: 6.1.64-1
    Depends: linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 (= 6.1.64-1)
    APT-Sources: /var/lib/dpkg/status
    # uname -a
    #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.1.90-1 (2024-05-03) x86_64 GNU/Linux

    After today's upgrades, I note that RM1 showed these autoremove messages "Removing linux-headers-6.1.0-30-amd64 (6.1.124-1) ..." and "Removing linux-image-6.1.0-30-amd64 (6.1.124-1) ..." while RM2 showed "Removing linux-headers-6.1.0-31-amd64 (6.1.128-1) ...". RM1  but no mention of linux-image.
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2025-02-27 15:59, Gary Dale wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite"
    cite="mid:64b998ba-d49b-434c-9569-73e13ae2a92c@extremeground.com">
    <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2025-02-14 22:00, Michael Stone
    wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite"
    cite="mid:2bbaa61c-eb48-11ef-9b6a-00163eeb5320@msgid.mathom.us">On
    Fri, Feb 14, 2025 at 09:42:10AM -0500, Gary Dale wrote: <br>
    <blockquote type="cite">All 3 systems have the linux-image-amd64
    metapackage installed. <br>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    What does apt show -a linux-image-amd64 | grep -e Version -e
    Sources -e Depends <br>
    return on each system? <br>
    <br>
    If you <br>
    apt update <br>
    on each system, are there any error messages? <br>
    </blockquote>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>On RM1<br>
    </p>
    <p><span style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;"># apt
    show -a linux-image-amd64 | grep -e Version -e Sources -e
    Depends </span><span
    style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;"> </span><br>
    <br>
    <span style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">WARNING:
    apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in
    scripts.</span><span
    style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;"> </span><br>
    <br>
    <span style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">Version:
    6.1.128-1</span><span
    style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;"> </span><br>
    <span style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">Depends:
    linux-image-6.1.0-31-amd64 (= 6.1.128-1)</span><span
    style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;"> </span><br>
    <span style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">APT-Sources:
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
    href="http://security.debian.org" moz-do-not-send="true">http://security.debian.org</a>
    stable-security/main amd64 Packages</span><span
    style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;"> </span><br>
    <span style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">Version:
    6.1.124-1</span><span
    style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;"> </span><br>
    <span style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">Depends:
    linux-image-6.1.0-30-amd64 (= 6.1.124-1)</span><span
    style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;"> </span><br>
    <span style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">APT-Sources:
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
    href="http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian"
    moz-do-not-send="true">http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian</a>
    stable-updates/main amd64 Packages</span><span
    style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;"> </span><br>
    <span style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">Version:
    6.1.123-1</span><span
    style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;"> </span><br>
    <span style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">Depends:
    linux-image-6.1.0-29-amd64 (= 6.1.123-1)</span><span
    style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;"> </span><br>
    <span style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">APT-Sources:
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
    href="http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian"
    moz-do-not-send="true">http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian</a>
    stable/main amd64 Packages</span><br>
    <span style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;"> </span><span
    style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;"># uname -a</span><span
    style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;"> </span><br>
    <span style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">#1 SMP
    PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.1.128-1 (2025-02-07) x86_64 GNU/Linux</span><br>
    <span style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;"> </span><br>
    <span style="font-family:monospace"><br>
    </span></p>
    <p>ON RM2<br>
    </p>
    <p># apt show -a linux-image-amd64 | grep -e Version -e Sources -e
    Depends <br>
    <br>
    WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with
    caution in scripts.<br>
    <br>
    Version: 6.1.128-1<br>
    Depends: linux-image-6.1.0-31-amd64 (= 6.1.128-1)<br>
    APT-Sources: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
    href="http://security.debian.org/debian-security"
    moz-do-not-send="true">http://security.debian.org/debian-security</a>
    stable-security/main amd64 Packages<br>
    Version: 6.1.124-1<br>
    Depends: linux-image-6.1.0-30-amd64 (= 6.1.124-1)<br>
    APT-Sources: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
    href="http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian" moz-do-not-send="true">http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian</a>
    stable-updates/main amd64 Packages<br>
    Version: 6.1.123-1<br>
    Depends: linux-image-6.1.0-29-amd64 (= 6.1.123-1)<br>
    APT-Sources: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
    href="http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian" moz-do-not-send="true">http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian</a>
    stable/main amd64 Packages<br>
    Version: 6.1.64-1<br>
    Config-Version: 6.1.64-1<br>
    Depends: linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 (= 6.1.64-1)<br>
    APT-Sources: /var/lib/dpkg/status<br>
    # uname -a<br>
    #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.1.90-1 (2024-05-03) x86_64
    GNU/Linux<font face="monospace"><br>
    </font></p>
    </blockquote>
    <font face="monospace">After today's upgrades, I note that RM1
    showed these autoremove messages "Removing
    linux-headers-6.1.0-30-amd64 (6.1.124-1) ..." and "Removing
    linux-image-6.1.0-30-amd64 (6.1.124-1) ..." while RM2 showed
    "Removing linux-headers-6.1.0-31-amd64 (6.1.128-1) ...". RM1  but
    no mention of linux-image.</font>
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