• no graphics with Lenovo Thinkcentre M700

    From Titus Newswanger@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 5 05:00:01 2025
    I have several of these Lenovo Thinkcentre M700 mini-pc around, been
    running Debian 12 on them just fine. A couple days ago I grabbed another
    one off the shelf and it still had Windows 11, that was working. Argued
    with it a bit till I remembered 'enter' key gets me into bios to disable
    secure boot. I wiped it and installed Debian 12.9 and now it boots but I
    get no graphics. Vt-d was disabled. I tried enabling it, still no
    difference.

    I ssh into it from another machine and I see it even detects my monitor:

    me@debian:~$ inxi -GSaz
    System:
      Kernel: 6.1.0-31-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 12.2.0
        parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-6.1.0-31-amd64
        root=UUID=20550085-c29f-4537-b70e-086e5ab86f7f ro quiet
      Console: pty pts/0 DM: LightDM v: 1.26.0 Distro: Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm)
    Graphics:
      Device-1: Intel HD Graphics 530 vendor: Lenovo driver: i915 v: kernel
    arch: Gen-9
        process: Intel 14n built: 2015-16 ports: active: DP-2 empty: DP-1, DP-3, HDMI-A-1, HDMI-A-2,
        HDMI-A-3 bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:1912 class-ID: 0300
      Display: server: X.org v: 1.21.1.7 driver: X: loaded: modesetting
    unloaded: fbdev,vesa
        dri: iris gpu: i915 tty: 158x36
      Monitor-1: DP-2 model: Sceptre J20 built: 2021 res: 1600x900 dpi: 92
    gamma: 1.2
        size: 435x237mm (17.13x9.33") diag: 496mm (19.5") ratio: 16:9
    modes: max: 1600x900 min: 720x400
      API: OpenGL Message: GL data unavailable in console. Try -G --display me@debian:~$ inxi -G --display
    Graphics:
      Device-1: Intel HD Graphics 530 driver: i915 v: kernel
      Display: server: X.org v: 1.21.1.7 driver: X: loaded: modesetting
    unloaded: fbdev,vesa
        dri: iris gpu: i915 resolution: 1600x900
      API: OpenGL Message: No GL data found on this system.

    I finally got graphics with a live boot Ubuntu 13.10 but only in safe
    graphics mode. Ubuntu reported running x11 and for graphics it says
    'software rendering' inxi wasn't installed; I tried installing but it
    failed. So much for ubuntu.

    I did some searching and found some suggestions: I need to enable or
    disable igd in bios. Neither seemed to change my problem. Another said
    purge nvidia drivers. So I did:

    sudo apt purge *nvidia*

        -- snip --

    0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.

    As far as I can see, there is no nvidia gpu. Their is no graphics card
    attached to the motherboard, and only the intel is reported in sudo
    lspci -v:

     --snip--

    00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation HD Graphics 530
    (rev 06) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
        DeviceName:  Onboard IGD
        Subsystem: Lenovo HD Graphics 530
        Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 126, IOMMU group 0
        Memory at de000000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16M]
        Memory at c0000000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M]
        I/O ports at f000 [size=64]
        Expansion ROM at 000c0000 [virtual] [disabled] [size=128K]
        Capabilities: [40] Vendor Specific Information: Len=0c <?>
        Capabilities: [70] Express Root Complex Integrated Endpoint, MSI 00
        Capabilities: [ac] MSI: Enable+ Count=1/1 Maskable- 64bit-
        Capabilities: [d0] Power Management version 2
        Capabilities: [100] Process Address Space ID (PASID)
        Capabilities: [200] Address Translation Service (ATS)
        Capabilities: [300] Page Request Interface (PRI)
        Kernel driver in use: i915
        Kernel modules: i915
     --snip--

    I looked over dmesg and nothing jumps at me. Here is a bit of it:

    sudo dmesg | grep i915
    [    1.657232] i915 0000:00:02.0: [drm] VT-d active for gfx access
    [    1.657486] i915 0000:00:02.0: vgaarb: deactivate vga console
    [    1.657547] i915 0000:00:02.0: [drm] Using Transparent Hugepages
    [    1.659658] i915 0000:00:02.0: vgaarb: changed VGA decodes: olddecodes=io+mem,decodes=io+mem:owns=io+mem
    [    1.659698] i915 0000:00:02.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware i915/skl_dmc_ver1_27.bin
    [    1.660024] i915 0000:00:02.0: [drm] Finished loading DMC firmware i915/skl_dmc_ver1_27.bin (v1.27)
    [    1.660046] i915 0000:00:02.0: [drm] Disabling framebuffer
    compression (FBC) to prevent screen flicker with VT-d enabled
    [    1.661882] i915 0000:00:02.0: [drm] [ENCODER:94:DDI B/PHY B] is disabled/in DSI mode with an ungated DDI clock, gate it
    [    1.661886] i915 0000:00:02.0: [drm] [ENCODER:120:DDI D/PHY D] is disabled/in DSI mode with an ungated DDI clock, gate it
    [    1.700642] [drm] Initialized i915 1.6.0 20201103 for 0000:00:02.0 on minor 0
    [    1.721771] fbcon: i915drmfb (fb0) is primary device
    [    1.776800] i915 0000:00:02.0: [drm] fb0: i915drmfb frame buffer device [    4.068631] snd_hda_intel 0000:00:1f.3: bound 0000:00:02.0 (ops i915_audio_component_bind_ops [i915])

    I'm really stuck.

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    Thank You!

    Titus Newswanger
    Curtiss WI

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  • From Titus Newswanger@21:1/5 to Titus Newswanger on Wed Mar 5 06:40:01 2025
    On 3/4/25 21:51, Titus Newswanger wrote:
    I finally got graphics with a live boot Ubuntu 13.10 but only in safe graphics mode. Ubuntu reported running x11 and for graphics it says
    'software rendering' inxi wasn't installed; I tried installing but it
    failed. So much for ubuntu.

    correction: live boot was ubuntu 23.10 and the failed install was an
    attempt to install inxi during that live boot, 'sudo apt update' got 404
    not found, '/etc/apt/sources.list appeared original and I didn't pursue
    it farther. It had my monitor at 800x600 resolution.


    I tried to switch consoles using ctrl+alt+F1 ~ ctrl+alt+F9. no go

    cat /etc/debian_version
    12.9
    re-installed twice in case the first one was bum

    I should get another monitor cord to try. M700 pc has only two
    display-ports. My monitor has vga and hdmi. I'm using dp to vga
    converter because that's the only bits I have laying around that fit.
    Thing is, bios and grub have graphics.

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  • From Felix Miata@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 5 07:20:01 2025
    Titus Newswanger composed on 2025-03-04 21:51 (UTC-0600):

    I have several of these Lenovo Thinkcentre M700 mini-pc around, been
    running Debian 12 on them just fine. A couple days ago I grabbed another
    one off the shelf and it still had Windows 11, that was working. Argued
    with it a bit till I remembered 'enter' key gets me into bios to disable secure boot. I wiped it and installed Debian 12.9 and now it boots but I
    get no graphics. Vt-d was disabled. I tried enabling it, still no
    difference.

    I ssh into it from another machine and I see it even detects my monitor:

    me@debian:~$ inxi -GSaz
    System:
      Kernel: 6.1.0-31-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 12.2.0
        parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-6.1.0-31-amd64
        root=UUID=20550085-c29f-4537-b70e-086e5ab86f7f ro quiet
      Console: pty pts/0 DM: LightDM v: 1.26.0 Distro: Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm)
    Graphics:
      Device-1: Intel HD Graphics 530 vendor: Lenovo driver: i915 v: kernel arch: Gen-9
        process: Intel 14n built: 2015-16 ports: active: DP-2 empty: DP-1, DP-3, HDMI-A-1, HDMI-A-2,
        HDMI-A-3 bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:1912 class-ID: 0300
      Display: server: X.org v: 1.21.1.7 driver: X: loaded: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa
        dri: iris gpu: i915 tty: 158x36
      Monitor-1: DP-2 model: Sceptre J20 built: 2021 res: 1600x900 dpi: 92
    ...
    I'm really stuck.

    I have a slightly newer PC and see nothing obviously evident in your data to explain the problem. That said, I don't remember why I have i915.enable_guc=2 included on my kernel cmdline. It may be that you need it too. Also, you do have
    kernel-firmware-free installed, correct? I can't recall ever trying a DP-to-VGA cable or converter, and avoid VGA connections unless there is no other option. I'm
    not sure I even own one. I suppose you could be getting a feedback failure from your EDID using it to cause this trouble. I've had good luck with DP-to-HDMI converters when necessary. Flatscreen displays are usually happier to be connected
    digitally. VGA is analog.

    # inxi -GSaz --vs --za --hostname
    inxi 3.3.37-00 (2025-01-06)
    System:
    Host: ab250 Kernel: 6.1.0-31-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc
    v: 12.2.0 clocksource: tsc avail: hpet,acpi_pm
    parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz root=LABEL=<filter> noresume
    ipv6.disable=1 net.ifnames=0 consoleblank=0 i915.enable_guc=2
    Desktop: TDE (Trinity) v: R14.1.3 tk: Qt v: 3.5.0 wm: Twin v: 3.0
    with: kicker vt: 7 dm: 1: TDM 2: XDM Distro: Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm) Graphics:
    Device-1: Intel HD Graphics 630 vendor: ASUSTeK driver: i915 v: kernel
    arch: Gen-9.5 process: Intel 14nm built: 2016-20 ports:
    active: DP-1,HDMI-A-2,HDMI-A-3 empty: DP-2,HDMI-A-1 bus-ID: 00:02.0
    chip-ID: 8086:5912 class-ID: 0300
    Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.7 compositor: Twin v: 3.0 driver: X:
    loaded: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa dri: iris gpu: i915 display-ID: :0
    screens: 1
    Screen-1: 0 s-res: 3600x2640 s-dpi: 120 s-size: 760x557mm (29.92x21.93")
    s-diag: 942mm (37.1")
    Monitor-1: DP-1 pos: primary,bottom-l model: Acer K272HUL serial: <filter>
    built: 2018 res: mode: 2560x1440 hz: 60 scale: 100% (1) dpi: 109 gamma: 1.2
    size: 598x336mm (23.54x13.23") diag: 686mm (27") ratio: 16:9 modes:
    max: 2560x1440 min: 720x400
    Monitor-2: HDMI-A-2 mapped: HDMI-2 pos: top-left model: NEC EA243WM
    serial: <filter> built: 2011 res: mode: 1920x1200 hz: 60 scale: 100% (1)
    dpi: 94 gamma: 1.2 size: 519x324mm (20.43x12.76") diag: 612mm (24.1")
    ratio: 16:10 modes: max: 1920x1200 min: 640x480
    Monitor-3: HDMI-A-3 mapped: HDMI-3 pos: top-right model: Dell P2213
    serial: <filter> built: 2013 res: mode: 1680x1050 hz: 60 scale: 100% (1)
    dpi: 90 gamma: 1.2 size: 473x296mm (18.62x11.65") diag: 558mm (22")
    ratio: 16:10 modes: max: 1680x1050 min: 720x400
    API: EGL v: 1.5 hw: drv: intel iris platforms: device: 0 drv: iris
    device: 1 drv: swrast gbm: drv: iris surfaceless: drv: iris x11: drv: iris
    inactive: wayland
    API: OpenGL v: 4.6 vendor: intel mesa v: 22.3.6 glx-v: 1.4 es-v: 3.2
    direct-render: yes renderer: Mesa Intel HD Graphics 630 (KBL GT2)
    device-ID: 8086:5912 memory: 15.14 GiB unified: yes
    API: Vulkan v: 1.3.239 layers: 4 device: 0 type: integrated-gpu name: Intel
    HD Graphics 630 (KBL GT2) driver: mesa intel v: 22.3.6
    device-ID: 8086:5912 surfaces: xcb,xlib device: 1 type: cpu name: llvmpipe
    (LLVM 15.0.6 256 bits) driver: mesa llvmpipe v: 22.3.6 (LLVM 15.0.6)
    device-ID: 10005:0000 surfaces: xcb,xlib
    Info: Tools: api: eglinfo, glxinfo, vulkaninfo x11: xdriinfo, xdpyinfo,
    xprop, xrandr
    #
    HDMI-2 is actually DVI, while HDMI-3 is indeed HDMI. I have a VGA port too, which
    the software labels DP-2. :p
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    based on faith, not based on science.

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  • From Titus Newswanger@21:1/5 to Felix Miata on Wed Mar 5 18:00:01 2025
    On 3/5/25 00:12, Felix Miata wrote:
    I have a slightly newer PC and see nothing obviously evident in your data to explain the problem. That said, I don't remember why I have i915.enable_guc=2 included on my kernel cmdline. It may be that you need it too. Also, you do have
    kernel-firmware-free installed, correct?

    For some reason I'm not finding any kernel-firmware-free. I see I have firmware-linux-free...?

    apt show kernel-firmware-free
    N: Unable to locate package kernel-firmware-free
    N: Unable to locate package kernel-firmware-free
    E: No packages found


    sudo apt update
      --snip--
    All packages are up to date.


    (no errors or warnings reported)


    sudo apt install kernel-firmware-free
    Reading package lists... Done
    Building dependency tree... Done
    Reading state information... Done
    E: Unable to locate package kernel-firmware-free



    cat /etc/apt/sources.list
    #deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 12.9.0 _Bookworm_ - Official amd64 NETINST
    with firmware 20250111-10:54]/ bookworm contrib main non-free-firmware

    deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bookworm main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
    deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bookworm main contrib non-free non-free-firmware

    deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security main non-free-firmware
    deb-src http://security.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security
    main non-free-firmware

    # bookworm-updates, to get updates before a point release is made;
    # see https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_updates_and_backports
    deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bookworm-updates main non-free-firmware deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bookworm-updates main
    non-free-firmware



    apt show firmware-linux-free

    Package: firmware-linux-free
    Version: 20200122-1
    Priority: optional
    Section: kernel
    Source: firmware-free
    Maintainer: Debian Kernel Team <debian-kernel@lists.debian.org>
    Installed-Size: 87.0 kB
    Suggests: initramfs-tools
    Homepage:
    http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git
    Tag: role::app-data
    Download-Size: 24.2 kB
    APT-Manual-Installed: no
     --snip--
    I can't recall ever trying a DP-to-VGA
    cable or converter, and avoid VGA connections unless there is no other option. I'm
    not sure I even own one. I suppose you could be getting a feedback failure from
    your EDID using it to cause this trouble. I've had good luck with DP-to-HDMI converters when necessary. Flatscreen displays are usually happier to be connected
    digitally. VGA is analog.
    I agree about VGA. I think I should quit wasting time on this until I
    get more DP-HDMI cords, I seem to be completely out of stock on those.

    # inxi -GSaz --vs --za --hostname
    inxi 3.3.37-00 (2025-01-06)
    System:
    Host: ab250 Kernel: 6.1.0-31-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc
    v: 12.2.0 clocksource: tsc avail: hpet,acpi_pm
    parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz root=LABEL=<filter> noresume
    ipv6.disable=1 net.ifnames=0 consoleblank=0 i915.enable_guc=2
    Desktop: TDE (Trinity) v: R14.1.3 tk: Qt v: 3.5.0 wm: Twin v: 3.0
    with: kicker vt: 7 dm: 1: TDM 2: XDM Distro: Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm)
    Graphics:
    Device-1: Intel HD Graphics 630 vendor: ASUSTeK driver: i915 v: kernel
    arch: Gen-9.5 process: Intel 14nm built: 2016-20 ports:
    active: DP-1,HDMI-A-2,HDMI-A-3 empty: DP-2,HDMI-A-1 bus-ID: 00:02.0
    chip-ID: 8086:5912 class-ID: 0300
    Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.7 compositor: Twin v: 3.0 driver: X:
    loaded: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa dri: iris gpu: i915 display-ID: :0
    screens: 1

    I see my 'Display:' value is missing 'x11':

    Display: server: X.org v: 1.21.1.7 driver: X: loaded: modesetting
    unloaded: fbdev,vesa

        dri: iris gpu: i915 tty: 158x35

    I included i915.enable_guc=2 in kernel commandline, and didn't notice a difference:

    inxi -GSaz System: Kernel: 6.1.0-31-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64
    compiler: gcc v: 12.2.0 parameters:
    BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-6.1.0-31-amd64 root=UUID=20550085-c29f-4537-b70e-086e5ab86f7f ro quiet
    i915.enable_guc=2 Console: pty pts/0 DM: LightDM v: 1.26.0 Distro:
    Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm) Graphics: Device-1: Intel HD Graphics 530 vendor: Lenovo driver: i915 v: kernel arch: Gen-9 process: Intel 14n
    built: 2015-16 ports: active: DP-2 empty: DP-1, DP-3, HDMI-A-1,
    HDMI-A-2, HDMI-A-3 bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:1912 class-ID: 0300
    Display: server: X.org v: 1.21.1.7 driver: X: loaded: modesetting
    unloaded: fbdev,vesa dri: iris gpu: i915 tty: 158x36 Monitor-1: DP-2
    model: Sceptre J20 built: 2021 res: 1600x900 dpi: 92 gamma: 1.2 size:
    435x237mm (17.13x9.33") diag: 496mm (19.5") ratio: 16:9 modes: max:
    1600x900 min: 720x400 API: OpenGL Message: GL data unavailable in
    console. Try -G --display

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    Titus Newswanger
    Curtiss WI

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  • From Charles Curley@21:1/5 to Titus Newswanger on Wed Mar 5 18:20:02 2025
    On Wed, 5 Mar 2025 10:54:05 -0600
    Titus Newswanger <nwe@abcmailbox.net> wrote:

    For some reason I'm not finding any kernel-firmware-free. I see I
    have firmware-linux-free...?

    apt show kernel-firmware-free
    N: Unable to locate package kernel-firmware-free
    N: Unable to locate package kernel-firmware-free
    E: No packages found

    This will give you some packages to check on.

    charles@hawk:~/Mail/mairix$ apt-cache search firmware | grep kernel firmware-linux-free - Binary firmware for various drivers in the Linux kernel nvidia-kernel-dkms - NVIDIA binary kernel module DKMS source nvidia-tesla-kernel-dkms - NVIDIA binary kernel module DKMS source (Tesla version)
    nvidia-tesla-470-kernel-support - NVIDIA binary kernel module support files (Tesla 470 version)
    nvidia-open-kernel-dkms - NVIDIA open kernel module DKMS source
    firmware-linux - Binary firmware for various drivers in the Linux kernel (metapackage)
    firmware-linux-nonfree - Binary firmware for various drivers in the Linux kernel (metapackage)
    firmware-misc-nonfree - Binary firmware for various drivers in the Linux kernel charles@hawk:~/Mail/mairix$


    --
    Does anybody read signatures any more?

    https://charlescurley.com
    https://charlescurley.com/blog/

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  • From Felix Miata@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 5 18:30:01 2025
    Titus Newswanger composed on 2025-03-05 11:54 (UTC-0500):

    On 3/5/25 00:12, Felix Miata wrote:
    I have a slightly newer PC and see nothing obviously evident in your data to >> explain the problem. That said, I don't remember why I have i915.enable_guc=2
    included on my kernel cmdline. It may be that you need it too. Also, you do have
    kernel-firmware-free installed, correct?

    For some reason I'm not finding any kernel-firmware-free. I see I have firmware-linux-free...?

    apt show kernel-firmware-free
    N: Unable to locate package kernel-firmware-free
    N: Unable to locate package kernel-firmware-free
    E: No packages found

    My brain and fingers were out of sync typing that. What they should have typed was:

    firmware-linux-free

    Sorry. :(
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    Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion,
    based on faith, not based on science.

    Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

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  • From Felix Miata@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 5 19:10:01 2025
    Titus Newswanger composed on 2025-03-05 10:54 (UTC-0600):

    Felix Miata wrote:

    # inxi -GSaz --vs --za --hostname
    inxi 3.3.37-00 (2025-01-06)
    ...
    Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.7 compositor: Twin v: 3.0 driver: X: >> loaded: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa dri: iris gpu: i915 display-ID: :0
    screens: 1

    I see my 'Display:' value is missing 'x11':

    Display: server: X.org v: 1.21.1.7 driver: X: loaded: modesetting
    unloaded: fbdev,vesa

    Using Bookworm's broken old inxi version 3.3.26 might be one explanation for 'x11'
    absence. The other: running inxi from a vtty instead of a terminal in a running X
    session.

        dri: iris gpu: i915 tty: 158x35

    I included i915.enable_guc=2 in kernel commandline, and didn't notice a difference:

    Phooey. I had high hopes for it. :(

    inxi -GSaz System: Kernel: 6.1.0-31-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64
    compiler: gcc v: 12.2.0 parameters:
    BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-6.1.0-31-amd64 root=UUID=20550085-c29f-4537-b70e-086e5ab86f7f ro quiet
    i915.enable_guc=2 Console: pty pts/0 DM: LightDM v: 1.26.0 Distro:
    Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm) Graphics: Device-1: Intel HD Graphics 530 vendor: Lenovo driver: i915 v: kernel arch: Gen-9 process: Intel 14n
    built: 2015-16 ports: active: DP-2 empty: DP-1, DP-3, HDMI-A-1,
    HDMI-A-2, HDMI-A-3 bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:1912 class-ID: 0300
    Display: server: X.org v: 1.21.1.7 driver: X: loaded: modesetting
    unloaded: fbdev,vesa dri: iris gpu: i915 tty: 158x36 Monitor-1: DP-2
    model: Sceptre J20 built: 2021 res: 1600x900 dpi: 92 gamma: 1.2 size:

    Have you checked out reviews on the J20? Have there been known issues reported? Does it have a firmware update available? Do you have a TV or other display to try
    the M700 with?

    435x237mm (17.13x9.33") diag: 496mm (19.5") ratio: 16:9 modes: max:
    1600x900 min: 720x400 API: OpenGL Message: GL data unavailable in
    console. Try -G --display

    When you need to put console terminal (vtty) output in an email or forum post, redirect its output to a plain text file, from which you can copy & paste without
    losing its precious formatting. Just remember the command itself doesn't reach the
    file, so you need to type it in ahead of the paste to make perfectly clear to readers exactly what produced the pasted output.
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    based on faith, not based on science.

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  • From Titus Newswanger@21:1/5 to Felix Miata on Wed Mar 5 19:50:02 2025
    On 3/5/25 12:06, Felix Miata wrote:
    When you need to put console terminal (vtty) output in an email or forum post,
    redirect its output to a plain text file, from which you can copy & paste without
    losing its precious formatting. Just remember the command itself doesn't reach the
    file, so you need to type it in ahead of the paste to make perfectly clear to readers exactly what produced the pasted output.

    Thanks for the tip. I was confused why my formatting was lost; didn't
    happen to notice it until right after I sent. 🙁

    I had copy-pasted direct from terminal to email.

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    Curtiss WI

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  • From Titus Newswanger@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 5 21:50:02 2025
    I got out the old VGA monitor and plugged it via adapter into the other
    DP plug. No change except ssh into it and notice inxi reports I got 2
    monitors running now.

    Uninstalled xfce and installed gnome; no go.

    Now I think about my headless M700 print server connecting a couple usb printers to my local network. I know at one time I had a monitor running
    on that, displaying a desktop.

    I powered down the M700 print server... I see it has 2 DP and 1 VGA
    port. I first plug it into my DP adapters... Same thing, no graphics! I
    connect its VGA to the monitor and it works. 😮

    So I swap hard drives between the two units. Now my headless print
    server has no more display output and my new Debian install is working
    on this old VGA cord. To fix all my problems here, I likely only need to
    buy more DP - HDMI cords, or get a DP monitor.

    Lesson learned: I can't depend much on digital - to - VGA converters.

    I'll never forget the dual monitor setup I found in a client's office a
    couple years ago. He had 2 DVI to VGA converters plugged into his pc,
    then 2 VGA cords going to his monitors, then a VGA to DVI converter
    plugged into each monitor. He looked at me and says, "What's wrong? it's
    been working like this for a long time"

    I'm not sure, some? all? DVI also has analog available, possibly he had
    a straight-through analog circuit.

    Thanks everyone for all the help!

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    Titus Newswanger
    Curtiss WI

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