On Sun, Mar 23, 2025 at 08:37:58AM +0100, lina wrote:

Dear all,

Which laptop option is friendly with Debian,
The purpose is related to work, not game.

Mainly for computation, R and some bioinformatic analysis,

Ideally at least > 16 cores, decent memory.

Disclaimer: my go-to laptop is usually a refurbished Thinkpad (currently
an X 260, so short by a factor of 8 from that 16 cores :)

In my case, it's plenty of computer, it's more sustainable than a new
one *and* there is a brick-and-mortar store (remember those things?) in
my city which sells and repairs those things. So take the following with
two fists of salt...

System76 has usually good and nice offers:

https://system76.com/laptops

On the European side, I know of Tuxedo:

https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/

Then there is the Framework (a good idea, but "ouch" level of pricey):

https://frame.work/de/en

There sure are many other offers of this kind around :-)

Cheers
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On Sun, 23 Mar 2025 08:37:58 +0100
lina <lina.lastname@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear all,

Which laptop option is friendly with Debian,
The purpose is related to work, not game.

Mainly for computation, R and some bioinformatic analysis,

Ideally at least > 16 cores, decent memory.

Thanks,

I took delivery of a Thinkpenguin laptop in December.
https://thinkpenguin.com

I don't know what you mean by "decent memory"; they offer up to 64 GiB,
which I have. htop indicates that I am using about 5 GiB of that. htop indicates 12 cores, of which I rarely use all. This is running Bookworm
with XFCE on it.

Pre-sales support was excellent. Feel free to ask questions. You may
get more answer than you wanted.

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<tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:

System76 has usually good and nice offers:

https://system76.com/laptops

FWIW, I bought a System76 desktop (tower) system a couple months ago.
Ubuntu and Pop_OS (System76's Ubuntu derivative) are supported. I
installed Debian stable on it, and it seems to work fine, except for the wireless card, which isn't recognized, even with packages from
backports. (I wrote "seems to" because I've only done limited testing
and haven't yet put the system into production.)

If Lina wants Debian specifically, System76 has a 30-day window in which
you can install Debian and then return the system if there's something
you can't get to work. I assume that 30-day offer also applies to
laptops and non-US customers, but it would be wise to check. Their
support team is quite friendly. For me, wireless support in a tower
system is a nice-to-have, not a requirement, so I kept the system.

mike

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On 2025-03-23 08:37, lina wrote:

Dear all,

Which laptop option is friendly with Debian,
The purpose is related to work, not game.

Mainly for computation, R and some bioinformatic analysis,

Ideally at least > 16 cores, decent memory.

Thanks,

About half a year ago I bought a Lenovo Thinkpad P16 Gen 2 with some
extras and I have been very satisfied with it. No trouble a all getting
Debian running on it. As with you, this system is purely for work.

HTH

Grx HdV

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On Sunday 23 March 2025 09:02:26 am Charles Curley wrote:

On Sun, 23 Mar 2025 08:37:58 +0100
lina <lina.lastname@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear all,

Which laptop option is friendly with Debian,
The purpose is related to work, not game.

Mainly for computation, R and some bioinformatic analysis,

Ideally at least > 16 cores, decent memory.

Thanks,

I took delivery of a Thinkpenguin laptop in December. https://thinkpenguin.com

I don't know what you mean by "decent memory"; they offer up to 64 GiB,
which I have. htop indicates that I am using about 5 GiB of that. htop indicates 12 cores, of which I rarely use all. This is running Bookworm
with XFCE on it.

Pre-sales support was excellent. Feel free to ask questions. You may
get more answer than you wanted.

I didn't get a laptop, but did purchase a system from those folks and my dealings with them went very smoothly. Just another satisfied customer...


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Which laptop option is friendly with Debian,
The purpose is related to work, not game.

System76 has usually good and nice offers:

https://system76.com/laptops

I can personally vouch for System76. I bought a Darter Pro (darp5) about 6 years
ago and it's still running well. It could probably use a new battery, but other than that, it's good. I've had Pop_OS! (the default), Arch, Debian, Parrot, and now FreeBSD on it. It'll even run Windows if you have to.

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Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> writes:

On Sun, 23 Mar 2025 08:37:58 +0100
lina <lina.lastname@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear all,

Which laptop option is friendly with Debian,
The purpose is related to work, not game.

Mainly for computation, R and some bioinformatic analysis,

Ideally at least > 16 cores, decent memory.

Thanks,

I took delivery of a Thinkpenguin laptop in December. https://thinkpenguin.com

I don't know what you mean by "decent memory"; they offer up to 64 GiB,
which I have. htop indicates that I am using about 5 GiB of that. htop indicates 12 cores, of which I rarely use all. This is running Bookworm
with XFCE on it.

Pre-sales support was excellent. Feel free to ask questions. You may
get more answer than you wanted.

I haven't heard of ThinkPenguin. Reading through their page a little bit, they look pretty awesome.

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On Sun, Mar 23, 2025 at 08:37:58AM +0100, lina wrote:

Which laptop option is friendly with Debian,
The purpose is related to work, not game.

Mainly for computation, R and some bioinformatic analysis,

Ideally at least > 16 cores, decent memory.

At work we use both Tuxedo laptops, as well as HP ZBooks. I got a
ZBook and it more or less is supported flawlessly in Debian. My
model reports as:
Product Name: HP ZBook Fury 16 G10 Mobile Workstation PC
but older and newer machines work just as well. The newest ones need a
backport kernel from bookworm-backports for working WiFi and BT.
Support is so good, that when I go into "Software" in the Gnome
applications menu, It will show me if a new firmware for the Thunderbolt
dock is available, and suggest to install it. It is a much more pleasant process than doing the same task in Windows.

I can say nothing bad about this machine except that it is *really* large
and heavy, and for that reason alone I would not buy it with my own
money. And (hardware problem, same thing under Windows) there is no
hardware reset button, if power management becomes stuck I have seen
people disconnect the built in battery to get the machine to reset, not me luckily yet.

This probably is a good "desktop replacement" choice, that stays on the
desk 95% of the time.

The Tuxedo laptops also work fine, I've got less experience with them
though.

My private machine is a Microsoft Surface Laptop 3, which is also
supported very well, everything except for the touchscreen works out of
the box with Debian unstable (have not tried stable on this device), and
even the touchscreen can be made working with a custom kernel. As I
found out I do not use a touchscreen with Gnome, I just use stock
Debian. This is a much lighter, slicker machine, that works better for
me for actually carrying around. It is strange having this machine
boot Debian with the Windows Logo hardcoded in UEFI on boot ;)

All in all I have had very little problems in the last decade to get
Laptops working in Debian, and I have tried it on many cheap devices
or old thrown out corporate machines.

/ralph

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On Mon, 24 Mar 2025 09:23:00 +0100
Ralph Aichinger <ra@h5.or.at> wrote:

It is strange having this machine
boot Debian with the Windows Logo hardcoded in UEFI on boot ;)

Well, there, at least, the ThinkPenguin laptop clearly out-performs. It
has the ThinkPenguin logo on the outside of the lid and in the boot
display code. It also has a silhouette of the classic Tux on the
modifier key that usually has a Windows logo.

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On Sunday 23 March 2025 05:44:57 pm Russell S. wrote:

Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> writes:

On Sun, 23 Mar 2025 08:37:58 +0100
lina <lina.lastname@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear all,

Which laptop option is friendly with Debian,
The purpose is related to work, not game.

Mainly for computation, R and some bioinformatic analysis,

Ideally at least > 16 cores, decent memory.

Thanks,

I took delivery of a Thinkpenguin laptop in December. https://thinkpenguin.com

I don't know what you mean by "decent memory"; they offer up to 64 GiB, which I have. htop indicates that I am using about 5 GiB of that. htop indicates 12 cores, of which I rarely use all. This is running Bookworm with XFCE on it.

Pre-sales support was excellent. Feel free to ask questions. You may
get more answer than you wanted.

I haven't heard of ThinkPenguin. Reading through their page a little bit, they
look pretty awesome.

I hadn't either until I asked Charles where he bought the new system and he pointed me to them. Called them up after playing with the web site for a while, and got all of my questions answered in a very professional way, and I felt confident enough to
go ahead and order the machine. Considering we're talking December here with the usual holiday shipping madness, it got here in pretty good time...


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ablest -- form of life in this section of space,  a critter that can
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Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> writes:

On 24/03/2025 15:23, Ralph Aichinger wrote:

Product Name: HP ZBook Fury 16 G10 Mobile Workstation PC

[...]

Support is so good, that when I go into "Software" in the Gnome
applications menu, It will show me if a new firmware for the Thunderbolt
dock is available, and suggest to install it.

Be careful with HP laptops. Firmware (BIOS) update for many models are officially supported using Windows applications only. For a discussion
of update from Linux see https://gist.github.com/eNV25/c8001491dc0440656ff7b0ae18993ba1
Fortunately in my case it is possible to extract a firmware update
file from provided .exe without wine or Windows and to put it at the
proper path (not the one described in BIOS though).

I am pleased to see that now HP provides updates suitable for fwupd
for some models:
https://fwupd.org/lvfs/devices/#hp-ws
I recommend to check this page before buying a new box (other vendors
are listed as well).

Another caveat regarding HP is that some older EliteBook models may have
a keyboard without a 'insert' key. I unfortunately have one, namely an EliteBook 840 G6, and I rely on 'insert' very heavily. Instead it has a
'pick up telephone' and 'hang up telephone' in the area where I would
have expected 'insert', i.e. top right-hand corner.

The solution of adding an appropriate .Xmodmap file was simple in the
end but it took me quite a while to figure it out.

Cheers,

Loris

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