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    From Richard Owlett@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 24 12:40:01 2025
    Since the beginning of February I've been receiving what I consider
    spurious emails.

    I've set up a filter to send them to a separate sub-directory.
    The filter detects either of 2 conditions:
    From,To,Cc or Bcc Contains bugs.debian.org
    *OR*
    To Contains www-master.debian.org


    The only change to my setup {to best of my memory} was subscribing to
    the "debian-www@lists.debian.org" mailing list.

    Where/how do I report this?
    TIA

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  • From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 24 13:10:01 2025
    On 24.03.2025 12:40 Uhr Richard Owlett wrote:

    Since the beginning of February I've been receiving what I consider
    spurious emails.

    I've set up a filter to send them to a separate sub-directory.
    The filter detects either of 2 conditions:
    From,To,Cc or Bcc Contains bugs.debian.org
    *OR*
    To Contains www-master.debian.org


    The only change to my setup {to best of my memory} was subscribing to
    the "debian-www@lists.debian.org" mailing list.

    Where/how do I report this?

    Please post all headers of the mail here, so we can check if they came
    from Debian's servers or were forged.

    --
    kind regards
    Marco

    Send spam to 1742816401muell@stinkedores.dorfdsl.de

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  • From Santiago Vila@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 24 13:20:01 2025
    El 24/3/25 a las 12:34, Richard Owlett escribió:
    Since the beginning of February I've been receiving what I consider spurious emails.

    What do you mean exactly by "spurious"? Are any of those messages present in the list archives?

    https://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2025/03/threads.html

    Can you point to a specific one?

    I've set up a filter to send them to a separate sub-directory.
    The filter detects either of 2 conditions:
      From,To,Cc or Bcc    Contains    bugs.debian.org
                *OR*
      To            Contains    www-master.debian.org


    The only change to my setup {to best of my memory} was subscribing to the "debian-www@lists.debian.org" mailing list.

    In such case, you should better use "List-Id", not To, From or Cc.
    (Also: Bcc will never work by definition, unless you apply the filters
    to messages in your own Sent folder).

    Thanks.

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  • From Richard Owlett@21:1/5 to Santiago Vila on Mon Mar 24 14:30:01 2025
    On 3/24/25 7:11 AM, Santiago Vila wrote:
    El 24/3/25 a las 12:34, Richard Owlett escribió:
    Since the beginning of February I've been receiving what I consider
    spurious emails.

    What do you mean exactly by "spurious"?

    That I did not associate them to be related to my
    needs/desires/expectations [ When posting I was unsure if "spurious" was
    best term - thus the quotation marks in my post.].

    Are any of those messages
    present in the list archives?

    https://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2025/03/threads.html

    Yes - MANY. I did not check all.


    Can you point to a specific one?

    I could, but you have set me on the right diagnostic track.
    My folder for receiving posts to "debian-www@lists.debian.org" mailing
    list has a filter set to:
    To or Cc Contains debian-www@lists.debian.org


    I've set up a filter to send them to a separate sub-directory.
    The filter detects either of 2 conditions:
       From,To,Cc or Bcc    Contains    bugs.debian.org
                 *OR*
       To            Contains    www-master.debian.org


    The only change to my setup {to best of my memory} was subscribing to
    the "debian-www@lists.debian.org" mailing list.

    In such case, you should better use "List-Id", not To, From or Cc.
    (Also: Bcc will never work by definition, unless you apply the filters
    to messages in your own Sent folder).

    "List-Id" is not an option in setting up filters in SeaMonkey.
    That mailing list evidently has a wider scope than what I understood
    from its description when I subscribed ;/

    https://lists.debian.org/debian-www/ says in part:
    Posting address: debian-www@lists.debian.org

    All of the posts explicitly sent to that address seemed to match my understanding of the list's purpose. I'll have to look at the formal
    list archives in detail to see if I've missed anything of interest.


    Thank you.

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  • From tomas@tuxteam.de@21:1/5 to Richard Owlett on Mon Mar 24 14:40:01 2025
    On Mon, Mar 24, 2025 at 08:24:36AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:

    [...]

    "List-Id" is not an option in setting up filters in SeaMonkey.

    [...]

    This would make that MUA practically useless (most of them are,
    mind you). But I think they are better than this. Try that:

    http://kb.mozillazine.org/Message_Filters#Custom_headers

    ...perhaps they haven't diverged that much in this point.

    Cheers
    --
    t

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  • From Richard Owlett@21:1/5 to tomas@tuxteam.de on Mon Mar 24 15:20:01 2025
    On 3/24/25 8:30 AM, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
    On Mon, Mar 24, 2025 at 08:24:36AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:

    [...]

    "List-Id" is not an option in setting up filters in SeaMonkey.

    [...]

    This would make that MUA practically useless (most of them are,
    mind you). But I think they are better than this. Try that:

    http://kb.mozillazine.org/Message_Filters#Custom_headers

    ...perhaps they haven't diverged that much in this point.

    Cheers


    This holdover from days of 12AX7's, 5U4's, 026's, KSR35's, current
    loops, acoustic couplers, S100, CPM/80 ... Netscape Navigator ...
    disagrees ;/

    SeaMonkey meets my needs. "New" does not equate with "better"!

    YMMV ;}

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  • From tomas@tuxteam.de@21:1/5 to Richard Owlett on Mon Mar 24 15:30:02 2025
    On Mon, Mar 24, 2025 at 09:16:18AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
    On 3/24/25 8:30 AM, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
    On Mon, Mar 24, 2025 at 08:24:36AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:

    [...]

    "List-Id" is not an option in setting up filters in SeaMonkey.

    [...]

    This would make that MUA practically useless (most of them are,
    mind you). But I think they are better than this. Try that:

    http://kb.mozillazine.org/Message_Filters#Custom_headers

    ...perhaps they haven't diverged that much in this point.

    Cheers


    This holdover from days of 12AX7's, 5U4's, 026's, KSR35's, current loops, acoustic couplers, S100, CPM/80 ... Netscape Navigator ... disagrees ;/

    My MUA is older than yours. And allows searching and filtering by *any*
    known (and unknown) mail header. And by quite a few other things.

    SeaMonkey meets my needs. "New" does not equate with "better"!

    No, it seems "older" means "better". Those young-uns with sea monkeys
    and other little critters. Pfff.

    YMMV ;}

    It does. Cyclist here. It gets better as the summer progresses. Then
    comes winter.

    And now, apart from meaingless ranting: have you tried to get hold of
    that mail header? It should be possible...

    Cheers
    --
    t

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  • From Richard Owlett@21:1/5 to Santiago Vila on Fri Mar 28 14:10:01 2025
    On 3/24/25 7:11 AM, Santiago Vila wrote:
    El 24/3/25 a las 12:34, Richard Owlett escribió:
    Since the beginning of February I've been receiving what I consider
    spurious emails.

    What do you mean exactly by "spurious"?

    They had no apparent logical relation to why I subscribed to
    debian-www@lists.debian.org .

    Are any of those messages present in the list archives?

    ALL are in archives.


    https://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2025/03/threads.html

    Can you point to a specific one?

    Not necessary. See below.


    I've set up a filter to send them to a separate sub-directory.
    The filter detects either of 2 conditions:
       From,To,Cc or Bcc    Contains    bugs.debian.org
                 *OR*
       To            Contains    www-master.debian.org

    Further investigation suggests a human *explicitly* sent all "desirable"
    emails to debian-www@lists.debian.org .
    I.E. When SeaMonkey displays header content onscreen, To: *OR* Cc:
    contains "debian-www@lists.debian.org".
    No "spurious" email has that in *EITHER* of those fields.
    [I don't know enough about email mechanics to understand how the
    "spurious" emails do get sent by some automatic mechanism.]



    The only change to my setup {to best of my memory} was subscribing to
    the "debian-www@lists.debian.org" mailing list.

    In such case, you should better use "List-Id", not To, From or Cc.
    (Also: Bcc will never work by definition, unless you apply the filters
    to messages in your own Sent folder).

    Thanks.


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