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Is support for AMD Ryzen solid nowadays or should I stay with Intel?

From Chris Green@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 1 12:30:01 2025

I am thinking of getting a new (well, refurbished) laptop to replace
my long serving Thinkpad T470. The front runners seem to be either
T14 or P14s gen2, at the moment the P14s seems a bit cheaper for
similar specs.

Up until now I have always stayed with Intel CPU and Intel Graphics
because of the solid Linux support but the alternative AMD Ryzen
processors on the T14/P14 seem attractive. Is support for these
pretty solid now? (Thay have been around for quite a while!)

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Chris Green
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From Gilles Mocellin@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 1 16:20:01 2025

Le dimanche 1 juin 2025, 12:11:05 heure d’été d’Europe centrale Chris Green a
écrit :

I am thinking of getting a new (well, refurbished) laptop to replace
my long serving Thinkpad T470. The front runners seem to be either
T14 or P14s gen2, at the moment the P14s seems a bit cheaper for
similar specs.

Up until now I have always stayed with Intel CPU and Intel Graphics
because of the solid Linux support but the alternative AMD Ryzen
processors on the T14/P14 seem attractive. Is support for these
pretty solid now? (Thay have been around for quite a while!)

Hi Chris,

I'm writing this from my Thinkpad P14s Gen4, under Debian Sid.
No problem so far.
Even had UEFI Firmware updates via fwupd.
Also a primer for me, I can use the fingerprint reader to login (SDDM/KDE).

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From Chris Green@21:1/5 to Gilles Mocellin on Sun Jun 1 20:00:01 2025

Gilles Mocellin <gilles.mocellin@nuagelibre.org> wrote:

Le dimanche 1 juin 2025, 12:11:05 heure d’été d’Europe centrale Chris Green a
écrit :

I am thinking of getting a new (well, refurbished) laptop to replace
my long serving Thinkpad T470. The front runners seem to be either
T14 or P14s gen2, at the moment the P14s seems a bit cheaper for
similar specs.

Up until now I have always stayed with Intel CPU and Intel Graphics
because of the solid Linux support but the alternative AMD Ryzen
processors on the T14/P14 seem attractive. Is support for these
pretty solid now? (Thay have been around for quite a while!)

Hi Chris,

I'm writing this from my Thinkpad P14s Gen4, under Debian Sid.
No problem so far.

Does it have an AMD Ryzen processor?

Even had UEFI Firmware updates via fwupd.
Also a primer for me, I can use the fingerprint reader to login (SDDM/KDE).

--
Chris Green
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From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 1 20:30:01 2025

On 01.06.2025 12:30 Uhr Chris Green wrote:

Up until now I have always stayed with Intel CPU and Intel Graphics
because of the solid Linux support but the alternative AMD Ryzen
processors on the T14/P14 seem attractive. Is support for these
pretty solid now? (Thay have been around for quite a while!)

Specify which chip you have. Newer ones are not supported in older
kernels. Running sid should be fine.
Although, there is a bug in 6.12 that causes crashed on some chips and
I dunno if the fix will be backported from current kernels.

--
kind regards
Marco

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From Michael Stone@21:1/5 to Chris Green on Sun Jun 1 23:10:02 2025

On Sun, Jun 01, 2025 at 09:18:41PM +0100, Chris Green wrote:

I don't **have** any 'chips', I'm asking which have reliable support.

You aren't going to have issues with any ryzens, and the support is no
better or worse than current intel processors.

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From Chris Green@21:1/5 to Marco Moock on Sun Jun 1 22:50:02 2025

Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> wrote:

On 01.06.2025 12:30 Uhr Chris Green wrote:

Up until now I have always stayed with Intel CPU and Intel Graphics
because of the solid Linux support but the alternative AMD Ryzen
processors on the T14/P14 seem attractive. Is support for these
pretty solid now? (Thay have been around for quite a while!)

Specify which chip you have. Newer ones are not supported in older
kernels. Running sid should be fine.

I don't **have** any 'chips', I'm asking which have reliable support.

--
Chris Green
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From Gilles Mocellin@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 1 23:10:02 2025

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Le dimanche 1 juin 2025, 19:38:17 heure d’été d’Europe centrale Chris Green a écrit :

Gilles Mocellin <gilles.mocellin@nuagelibre.org> wrote:

Le dimanche 1 juin 2025, 12:11:05 heure d’été d’Europe centrale Chris Green a>
écrit :

I am thinking of getting a new (well, refurbished) laptop to replace
my long serving Thinkpad T470. The front runners seem to be either
T14 or P14s gen2, at the moment the P14s seems a bit cheaper for
similar specs.

Up until now I have always stayed with Intel CPU and Intel Graphics because of the solid Linux support but the alternative AMD Ryzen processors on the T14/P14 seem attractive. Is support for these
pretty solid now? (Thay have been around for quite a while!)

Hi Chris,

I'm writing this from my Thinkpad P14s Gen4, under Debian Sid.
No problem so far.

Does it have an AMD Ryzen processor?

Of course as it was your point :
It's that model : /https://www.lenovo.com/fr/fr/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadp/thinkpad-p14s-gen-4-14-inch-amd-mobile-workstation/len101t0070/[1]

--------
[1] https://www.lenovo.com/fr/fr/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadp/thinkpad-p14s-gen-4-14-inch-amd-mobile-workstation/len101t0070

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<body>Le dimanche 1 juin 2025, 19:38:17 heure d’été d’Europe centrale Chris Green a écrit :
> Gilles Mocellin <gilles.mocellin@nuagelibre.org> wrote:
> > Le dimanche 1 juin 2025, 12:11:05 heure d’été d’Europe centrale Chris
> > Green a> 
> > écrit :
> > > I am thinking of getting a new (well, refurbished) laptop to replace
> > > my long serving Thinkpad T470.  The front runners seem to be either
> > > T14 or P14s gen2, at the moment the P14s seems a bit cheaper for
> > > similar specs.
> > > 
> > > Up until now I have always stayed with Intel CPU and Intel Graphics
> > > because of the solid Linux support but the alternative AMD Ryzen
> > > processors on the T14/P14 seem attractive.  Is support for these
> > > pretty solid now? (Thay have been around for quite a while!)
> > 
> > Hi Chris,
> > 
> > I'm writing this from my Thinkpad P14s Gen4, under Debian Sid.
> > No problem so far.
> > Does it have an AMD Ryzen processor?
 Of course as it was your point :
It's that model : <a href="https://www.lenovo.com/fr/fr/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadp/thinkpad-p14s-gen-4-14-inch-amd-mobile-workstation/len101t0070">https://www.lenovo.com/fr/fr/p/
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From Bret Busby@21:1/5 to Chris Green on Sun Jun 1 23:20:01 2025

On 2/6/25 04:18, Chris Green wrote:

Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> wrote:

On 01.06.2025 12:30 Uhr Chris Green wrote:

Up until now I have always stayed with Intel CPU and Intel Graphics
because of the solid Linux support but the alternative AMD Ryzen
processors on the T14/P14 seem attractive. Is support for these
pretty solid now? (Thay have been around for quite a while!)

Specify which chip you have. Newer ones are not supported in older
kernels. Running sid should be fine.

I don't **have** any 'chips', I'm asking which have reliable support.

I understand that you asked not which chips are supported, but, are
particular chips supported.

"AMD Ryzen processors on the T14/P14 seem attractive. Is support for
these pretty solid now?"

Perhaps, you should have specified which particular AMD chipsets feature
in the particular computers, for which you want to find whether support
is provided.

"So once you do know what the question actually is,
you'll know what the answer means."
- Deep Thought,
Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
"The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
A Trilogy In Four Parts",
written by Douglas Adams,
published by Pan Books, 1992

..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
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From nsrxnst@bruttocarattere.org@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 1 23:40:01 2025

Perhaps, you should have specified which particular AMD chipsets
feature in the particular computers, for which you want to find whether support is provided.

"So once you do know what the question actually is,
you'll know what the answer means."

this strikes me as unhelpful and condescending.

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From Bret Busby@21:1/5 to nsrxnst@bruttocarattere.org on Mon Jun 2 00:00:01 2025

On 2/6/25 05:35, nsrxnst@bruttocarattere.org wrote:

Perhaps, you should have specified which particular AMD chipsets
feature in the particular computers, for which you want to find
whether support is provided.

"So once you do know what the question actually is,
you'll know what the answer means."

this strikes me as unhelpful and condescending.

It is the simple principle of problem solving, of mathematical
modelling, of systems analysis, etc, etc, etc.

If the right question id not asked, and the problem is not properly
defined, then obtaining the appropriate solution, cannot be reasonably
expected to occur.

If you find that offensive, then perhaps, you should learn some problem
solving skills.

..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
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From Bret Busby@21:1/5 to Darac Marjal on Mon Jun 2 00:20:01 2025

On 2/6/25 05:50, Darac Marjal wrote:

On 01/06/2025 22:11, Bret Busby wrote:

On 2/6/25 04:18, Chris Green wrote:

Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> wrote:

On 01.06.2025 12:30 Uhr Chris Green wrote:

Up until now I have always stayed with Intel CPU and Intel Graphics
because of the solid Linux support but the alternative AMD Ryzen
processors on the T14/P14 seem attractive. Is support for these
pretty solid now? (Thay have been around for quite a while!)

Specify which chip you have. Newer ones are not supported in older
kernels. Running sid should be fine.

I don't **have** any 'chips', I'm asking which have reliable support.

I understand that you asked not which chips are supported, but, are
particular chips supported.

"AMD Ryzen processors on the T14/P14 seem attractive. Is support for
these pretty solid now?"

Perhaps, you should have specified which particular AMD chipsets
feature in the particular computers, for which you want to find
whether support is provided.

Rather than gatekeeping the knowledge (you seem to be implying that you
know whether some AMD Ryzen processors are supported, but you're not
willing to share that knowledge unless the OP successfully guesses the
name of a supported CPU),

That is presumptuous and defamatory.

..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
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From Alain D D Williams@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 2 00:30:01 2025

I respectfully suggest that we all go to bed and talk again tomorrow.

Regards

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From Bret Busby@21:1/5 to Nicholas Geovanis on Mon Jun 2 00:20:01 2025

On 2/6/25 06:08, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:

On Sun, Jun 1, 2025, 4:51 PM Bret Busby <bret@busby.net <mailto:bret@busby.net>> wrote:

On 2/6/25 05:35, nsrxnst@bruttocarattere.org
<mailto:nsrxnst@bruttocarattere.org> wrote:
>> Perhaps, you should have specified which particular AMD chipsets
>> feature in the particular computers, for which you want to find
>> whether support is provided.
>>
>> "So once you do know what the question actually is,
>> you'll know what the answer means."
>
> this strikes me as unhelpful and condescending.
>

It is the simple principle of problem solving, of mathematical
modelling, of systems analysis, etc, etc, etc.

If the right question id not asked, and the problem is not properly
defined, then obtaining the appropriate solution, cannot be reasonably
expected to occur.

If you find that offensive, then perhaps, you should learn some problem
solving skills.

This is a typical childish response from someone who gets an ego boost from closing doors for people instead of opening them.

So, you start a flame war...

..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
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From Stefan Monnier@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 2 04:00:01 2025

Up until now I have always stayed with Intel CPU and Intel Graphics
because of the solid Linux support but the alternative AMD Ryzen
processors on the T14/P14 seem attractive. Is support for these
pretty solid now? (Thay have been around for quite a while!)

IME, support for AMD CPU+GPU has been very good ever since AMD decided
to cooperate with rather than undermine the effort to write Free
Software drivers, starting somewhere around 2007/2008.

Stefan

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From Chris Green@21:1/5 to Gilles Mocellin on Mon Jun 2 12:30:02 2025

Gilles Mocellin <gilles.mocellin@nuagelibre.org> wrote:

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Le dimanche 1 juin 2025, 19:38:17 heure d’été d’Europe centrale Chris Green a écrit :

Gilles Mocellin <gilles.mocellin@nuagelibre.org> wrote:

Le dimanche 1 juin 2025, 12:11:05 heure d’été d’Europe centrale Chris
Green a>
écrit :

I am thinking of getting a new (well, refurbished) laptop to replace
my long serving Thinkpad T470. The front runners seem to be either
T14 or P14s gen2, at the moment the P14s seems a bit cheaper for similar specs.

Up until now I have always stayed with Intel CPU and Intel Graphics because of the solid Linux support but the alternative AMD Ryzen processors on the T14/P14 seem attractive. Is support for these
pretty solid now? (Thay have been around for quite a while!)

Hi Chris,

I'm writing this from my Thinkpad P14s Gen4, under Debian Sid.
No problem so far.

Does it have an AMD Ryzen processor?

Of course as it was your point :
It's that model : /https://www.lenovo.com/fr/fr/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadp/thinkpad-p14s-gen-4-14-inch-amd-mobile-workstation/len101t0070/[1]

Ah, OK, thank you, just what I wanted to know. :-)

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