On 03/06/2025 21:27, gene heskett wrote:
I'm using tbird 139, and it has grown vertically to expect the full
screen of 1040 lines, meaning the bottom 2 tect lines that tbird uses
for advirory msgs of attachment showing, are covered by the pager list
and other such things at the bottom of my workspace.
Hold down Alt then left-click anywhere on a window. Now you can move the window anywhere.
Hold down Alt then right-click anywhere on a window. Now you can resize the window.
Source: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/156435/how-can-i-make-windows-easier-to-resize-in-xfce
On Tue, Jun 03, 2025 at 22:05:33 +0100, Darac Marjal wrote:
On 03/06/2025 21:27, gene heskett wrote:
I'm using tbird 139, and it has grown vertically to expect the full
screen of 1040 lines, meaning the bottom 2 tect lines that tbird uses
for advirory msgs of attachment showing, are covered by the pager list
and other such things at the bottom of my workspace.
This sounds like something that happened at the window manager level,
not within Thunderbird itself. Some window managers have features that
allow you to make a window "full screen" (with or without including a
title bar), or to make the window go "full screen but only vertically".
I'm not familiar with your Desktop Environment -- was it MATE? Trinity?
It would help if you remind us which one it is, on this machine.
Hold down Alt then left-click anywhere on a window. Now you can move the
window anywhere.
Hold down Alt then right-click anywhere on a window. Now you can resize the >> window.
Source: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/156435/how-can-i-make-windows-easier-to-resize-in-xfce
If it's not XFCE,
On 4/6/25 05:29, Greg Wooledge wrote:
On Tue, Jun 03, 2025 at 22:05:33 +0100, Darac Marjal wrote:
On 03/06/2025 21:27, gene heskett wrote:
I'm using tbird 139, and it has grown vertically to expect the full
screen of 1040 lines, meaning the bottom 2 tect lines that tbird uses
for advirory msgs of attachment showing, are covered by the pager list >>>> and other such things at the bottom of my workspace.
This sounds like something that happened at the window manager level,
not within Thunderbird itself. Some window managers have features that
allow you to make a window "full screen" (with or without including a
title bar), or to make the window go "full screen but only vertically".
I'm not familiar with your Desktop Environment -- was it MATE? Trinity?
It would help if you remind us which one it is, on this machine.
Hold down Alt then left-click anywhere on a window. Now you can move the >>> window anywhere.
Hold down Alt then right-click anywhere on a window. Now you can
resize the
window.
Source:
https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/156435/how-can-i-make-windows-easier-to-resize-in-xfce
If it's not XFCE,
Methinks it is...
On 03/06/2025 21:27, gene heskett wrote:
I'm using tbird 139, and it has grown vertically to expect the full
screen of 1040 lines, meaning the bottom 2 tect lines that tbird uses
for advirory msgs of attachment showing, are covered by the pager
list and other such things at the bottom of my workspace.
How do I shrink that vertical back a couple text lines so I can see
and click on such as an attached file? Horizontal works, but I am
unable to move it up to where the mouse can grab the lower edge and
move it. So surely there must be a config someplace that is editable.
Using xfce4. Thank you.
Hold down Alt then left-click anywhere on a window. Now you can move
the window anywhere.
Hold down Alt then right-click anywhere on a window. Now you can
resize the window.
Source: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/156435/how-can-i-make-windows-easier-to-resize-in-xfce
Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
On Tue, Jun 03, 2025 at 22:05:33 +0100, Darac Marjal wrote:I thought it was xfce4, but htop can't find it, there is a few gdm
On 03/06/2025 21:27, gene heskett wrote:This sounds like something that happened at the window manager level,
I'm using tbird 139, and it has grown vertically to expect the full
screen of 1040 lines, meaning the bottom 2 tect lines that tbird uses
for advirory msgs of attachment showing, are covered by the pager list
and other such things at the bottom of my workspace.
not within Thunderbird itself. Some window managers have features that
allow you to make a window "full screen" (with or without including a
title bar), or to make the window go "full screen but only vertically".
I'm not familiar with your Desktop Environment -- was it MATE? Trinity?
It would help if you remind us which one it is, on this machine.
Hold down Alt then left-click anywhere on a window. Now you can move theIf it's not XFCE, then perhaps there is a button on the title bar of
window anywhere.
Hold down Alt then right-click anywhere on a window. Now you can resize the >> window.
Source: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/156435/how-can-i-make-windows-easier-to-resize-in-xfce
your Thunderbird window that can shrink it back to "not full screen"
size. It might be denoted by a large square. Usually a button like
that is a toggle, which switches between the two sizes, so pressing it
when it's in the vertically-enlarged size might return it to normal.
Otherwise, you may have to consult your window manager's documentation.
.
On 6/3/25 17:30, Greg Wooledge wrote:Try fastfetch - superseded neofetch - that will show the relevant system information for the interface.
On Tue, Jun 03, 2025 at 22:05:33 +0100, Darac Marjal wrote:I thought it was xfce4, but htop can't find it, there is a few gdm
On 03/06/2025 21:27, gene heskett wrote:This sounds like something that happened at the window manager level,
I'm using tbird 139, and it has grown vertically to expect the full
screen of 1040 lines, meaning the bottom 2 tect lines that tbird uses
for advirory msgs of attachment showing, are covered by the pager list >>>> and other such things at the bottom of my workspace.
not within Thunderbird itself. Some window managers have features that
allow you to make a window "full screen" (with or without including a
title bar), or to make the window go "full screen but only vertically".
I'm not familiar with your Desktop Environment -- was it MATE? Trinity?
It would help if you remind us which one it is, on this machine.
entries though. Thanks
Hold down Alt then left-click anywhere on a window. Now you can move the >>> window anywhere.If it's not XFCE, then perhaps there is a button on the title bar of
Hold down Alt then right-click anywhere on a window. Now you can
resize the
window.
Source:
https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/156435/how-can-i-make-windows-easier-to-resize-in-xfce
your Thunderbird window that can shrink it back to "not full screen"
size. It might be denoted by a large square. Usually a button like
that is a toggle, which switches between the two sizes, so pressing it
when it's in the vertically-enlarged size might return it to normal.
Otherwise, you may have to consult your window manager's documentation.
.
Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
On 4/6/25 07:48, gene heskett wrote:gene@coyote:~$ fastfetch
On 6/3/25 17:30, Greg Wooledge wrote:Try fastfetch - superseded neofetch - that will show the relevant
On Tue, Jun 03, 2025 at 22:05:33 +0100, Darac Marjal wrote:I thought it was xfce4, but htop can't find it, there is a few gdm
On 03/06/2025 21:27, gene heskett wrote:This sounds like something that happened at the window manager level,
I'm using tbird 139, and it has grown vertically to expect the full
screen of 1040 lines, meaning the bottom 2 tect lines that tbird uses >>>>> for advirory msgs of attachment showing, are covered by the pager
list
and other such things at the bottom of my workspace.
not within Thunderbird itself. Some window managers have features that >>> allow you to make a window "full screen" (with or without including a
title bar), or to make the window go "full screen but only vertically".
I'm not familiar with your Desktop Environment -- was it MATE?Â
Trinity?
It would help if you remind us which one it is, on this machine.
entries though. Thanks
Hold down Alt then left-click anywhere on a window. Now you canIf it's not XFCE, then perhaps there is a button on the title bar of
move the
window anywhere.
Hold down Alt then right-click anywhere on a window. Now you can
resize the
window.
Source:
https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/156435/how-can-i-make-windows-easier-to-resize-in-xfce
your Thunderbird window that can shrink it back to "not full screen"
size. It might be denoted by a large square. Usually a button like
that is a toggle, which switches between the two sizes, so pressing it
when it's in the vertically-enlarged size might return it to normal.
Otherwise, you may have to consult your window manager's documentation.
.
Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
system information for the interface.
..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..............
.
On 6/3/25 17:06, Darac Marjal wrote:
On 03/06/2025 21:27, gene heskett wrote:
I'm using tbird 139, and it has grown vertically to expect the
full screen of 1040 lines, meaning the bottom 2 tect lines that
tbird uses for advirory msgs of attachment showing, are covered by
the pager list and other such things at the bottom of my workspace.
How do I shrink that vertical back a couple text lines so I can
see and click on such as an attached file? Horizontal works, but I
am unable to move it up to where the mouse can grab the lower edge
and move it. So surely there must be a config someplace that is
editable. Using xfce4. Thank you.
Hold down Alt then left-click anywhere on a window. Now you can
move the window anywhere.
Hold down Alt then right-click anywhere on a window. Now you can
resize the window.
Source: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/156435/how-can-i-make-windows-easier-to-resize-in-xfceThank you, but none of the above works.
gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
On 6/3/25 17:06, Darac Marjal wrote:Odd, since it does for me and was something I didn't know about before,
On 03/06/2025 21:27, gene heskett wrote:Thank you, but none of the above works.
I'm using tbird 139, and it has grown vertically to expect theHold down Alt then left-click anywhere on a window. Now you can
full screen of 1040 lines, meaning the bottom 2 tect lines that
tbird uses for advirory msgs of attachment showing, are covered by
the pager list and other such things at the bottom of my workspace.
How do I shrink that vertical back a couple text lines so I can
see and click on such as an attached file? Horizontal works, but I
am unable to move it up to where the mouse can grab the lower edge
and move it. So surely there must be a config someplace that is
editable. Using xfce4. Thank you.
move the window anywhere.
Hold down Alt then right-click anywhere on a window. Now you can
resize the window.
Source:
https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/156435/how-can-i-make-windows-easier-to-resize-in-xfce
so thanks Darac :)
But as there seems to be some doubt as to whether you are actually
using XFCE, here's the technique I used until today and that works with
any DE that I've used.
AIUI, the problem is that your TBird window is too tall and spills off
the bottom of the screen so you can't grab it to shrink it. So what I
do is grab the TOP of the window and move it down, thus shrinking the
height of the window. Then I grab the the title bar and move the top of
the window back up to the top of the screen. I repeat that if necessary
until I can see the bottom of the window on screen. Once I can see it,
I can adjust it however I like.
HTH, Dave
.
I'm using tbird 139, and it has grown vertically to expect the full screen
of 1040 lines, meaning the bottom 2 tect lines that tbird uses for advirory msgs of attachment showing, are covered by the pager list and other such things at the bottom of my workspace.
I'm using tbird 139, and it has grown vertically to expect the full screen of 1040 lines, meaning the bottom 2 tect lines that tbird uses for advirory msgs of attachment showing, are covered by the pager list and other such things at the bottom of my workspace.
A shot in the dark:
Assuming this is XFCE4, [...]
At some point, it may be worth taking a screen shot of whatever problems you're seeing, and putting it somewhere on the web. (Don't try to attach
it to an email to this list; it'll be too big, and the list will probably reject it.)
On Wed, Jun 04, 2025 at 11:49:21 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
At some point, it may be worth taking a screen shot of whatever problems you're seeing, and putting it somewhere on the web. (Don't try to attachI'm using tbird 139, and it has grown vertically to expect the full screen >>> of 1040 lines, meaning the bottom 2 tect lines that tbird uses for advirory >>> msgs of attachment showing, are covered by the pager list and other such >>> things at the bottom of my workspace.
it to an email to this list; it'll be too big, and the list will probably reject it.)
A shot in the dark:I googled "linux how to determine which desktop environment is being used" and it gave me several answers. In no particular order,
Assuming this is XFCE4, [...]
env | grep XDG
inxi
screenfetch
env | grep SESSION
ps -A | egrep -i "gnome|kde|mate|cinnamon|lxde|xfce|jwm"
wmctrl -m
And a whole lot more, many of which look specialized or obscure.
On 2025-06-04, gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:And not, I currently have it so I can grab and move all 4 edges.
Well, what I have I can use, I just have to learn this new way to use it.Maybe Tbird's in "Fullscreen" rather than being "Maximized" (F11).
Thanks Greg..
Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
On 6/3/25 16:27, gene heskett wrote:The fly in that soup is that although I thought I''ve installed xfce4 as
I'm using tbird 139, and it has grown vertically to expect the full
screen of 1040 lines, meaning the bottom 2 tect lines that tbird uses
for advirory msgs of attachment showing, are covered by the pager
list and other such things at the bottom of my workspace.
How do I shrink that vertical back a couple text lines so I can see
and click on such as an attached file? Horizontal works, but I am
unable to move it up to where the mouse can grab the lower edge and
move it. So surely there must be a config someplace that is editable.
Using xfce4. Thank you.
In XFCE there is Settings > Workspace > Margins. Maybe that'll do
what you want? That only controls how "Maximize" works and where
automatic placement goes, you can still resize/place windows anywhere
you want, even off screen.
.
ps auwx | grep wmgene@coyote:~$ ps auwx | grep wm
The fly in that soup is that although I thought I''ve installed xfce4 as a task, htop does not find anything xfce4 listed as running. AND all the
fetch this and that stuff that has been listed in this thread, supposedly made to tell what is runnin, are not installed to even be run. So I'm obviously confused as to just what the heck I am using. htop does find some xdg stuffs.
On 6/6/25 14:44, Dan Ritter wrote:
ps auwx | grep wmgene@coyote:~$ ps auwx | grep wm
gene 3863 0.0 0.3 924916 109904 ? Sl 07:10 0:00 /usr/bin/akonadi_newmailnotifier_agent --identifier akonadi_newmailnotifier_agent
gene 22155 0.0 0.0 6408 2216 pts/11 S+ 14:45 0:00 grep wm
I put a sudo in front of that, same result. No wm found. So I/we are still confused. Thanks Dan Ritter.
On 6/6/25 14:44, Dan Ritter wrote:
ps auwx | grep wmgene@coyote:~$ ps auwx | grep wm
gene    3863 0.0 0.3 924916 109904 ?    Sl  07:10  0:00
/usr/bin/akonadi_newmailnotifier_agent --identifier akonadi_newmailnotifier_agent
gene    22155 0.0 0.0  6408 2216 pts/11  S+  14:45  0:00
grep wm
I put a sudo in front of that, same result. No wm found. So I/we are
still confused. Thanks Dan Ritter.
Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
gene heskett wrote:Afirmative according to synaptic which won't run on wayland w/o the
On 6/6/25 14:44, Dan Ritter wrote:
ps auwx | grep wmgene@coyote:~$ ps auwx | grep wm
gene    3863 0.0 0.3 924916 109904 ?    Sl  07:10  0:00
/usr/bin/akonadi_newmailnotifier_agent --identifier
akonadi_newmailnotifier_agent
gene    22155 0.0 0.0  6408 2216 pts/11  S+  14:45  0:00 grep wm
I put a sudo in front of that, same result. No wm found. So I/we are still >> confused. Thanks Dan Ritter.
OK. You are not running XFCE, or at least not with xfwm.
You may be running Wayland instead of X.
You may be running GNOME on either Wayland or X.
You may be running one of the odd window managers that doesn't
feature a binary named FOOwm.
-dsr-
.
On 6/6/25 15:27, Dan Ritter wrote:
You may be running Wayland instead of X.Afirmative according to synaptic which won't run on wayland w/o the magic in the menu's.
On 6/6/25 14:44, Dan Ritter wrote:This has been mentioned before - you have not explained why you have not
ps auwx | grep wmgene@coyote:~$ ps auwx | grep wm
gene    3863 0.0 0.3 924916 109904 ?    Sl  07:10  0:00
/usr/bin/akonadi_newmailnotifier_agent --identifier akonadi_newmailnotifier_agent
gene    22155 0.0 0.0  6408 2216 pts/11  S+  14:45  0:00 grep wm
I put a sudo in front of that, same result. No wm found. So I/we are
still confused. Thanks Dan Ritter.
Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
This has been mentioned before - you have not explained why you have not tried it.
Someone even did the google search for you, and, posted the link.
I do not know how far you expect people to go, to do for you what you need
to do.
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fastfetch
https://github.com/fastfetch-cli/fastfetch
Hi,
On Sat, Jun 07, 2025 at 06:03:59AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
This has been mentioned before - you have not explained why you have not
tried it.
Someone even did the google search for you, and, posted the link.
I do not know how far you expect people to go, to do for you what you need >> to do.
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fastfetch
https://github.com/fastfetch-cli/fastfetch
I personally would not be telling novices to install packages from
testing, sid or from source just to work out what desktop environment
they are in. At the best of times it seems like a trip into the weeds.
Although as this thread is going much like every other Gene thread I
have ever seen, we probably will never get to even that first step
before it cycles around again, no matter what is attempted.
I wish Gene had an experienced Linux user geographically near to him.
Thanks,
Andy
Hi,gene@coyote:~$ env | grep XDG_ XDG_CONFIG_DIRS=/home/gene/.config/kdedefaults:/etc/xdg:/usr/share/desktop-base/kf5-settings
On Fri, Jun 06, 2025 at 04:09:57PM -0400, gene heskett wrote:
On 6/6/25 15:27, Dan Ritter wrote:Let's have some facts then. Please show us the output of:
You may be running Wayland instead of X.Afirmative according to synaptic which won't run on wayland w/o the magic in >> the menu's.
$ env | grep XDG_
Particularly of interest will be the values of:
XDG_SESSION_DESKTOP=gnome
XDG_SESSION_TYPE=wayland
XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=GNOME
Thanks,
Andy
On 7/6/25 02:52, gene heskett wrote:And I posted the result, which was null since the link executable could
On 6/6/25 14:44, Dan Ritter wrote:This has been mentioned before - you have not explained why you have
ps auwx | grep wmgene@coyote:~$ ps auwx | grep wm
gene    3863 0.0 0.3 924916 109904 ?    Sl  07:10  0:00
/usr/bin/akonadi_newmailnotifier_agent --identifier
akonadi_newmailnotifier_agent
gene    22155 0.0 0.0  6408 2216 pts/11  S+  14:45  0:00
grep wm
I put a sudo in front of that, same result. No wm found. So I/we are
still confused. Thanks Dan Ritter.
Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
not tried it.
Someone even did the google search for you, and, posted the link.
I do not know how far you expect people to go, to do for you what youWhat is fastfetch? I haven't the executable or the manpage for it, and
need to do.
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fastfetch
https://github.com/fastfetch-cli/fastfetch
..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..............
.
Hi,I have 2 others well within half a gallon of diesel, they are as puzzled
On Sat, Jun 07, 2025 at 06:03:59AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
This has been mentioned before - you have not explained why you have notI personally would not be telling novices to install packages from
tried it.
Someone even did the google search for you, and, posted the link.
I do not know how far you expect people to go, to do for you what you need >> to do.
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fastfetch
https://github.com/fastfetch-cli/fastfetch
testing, sid or from source just to work out what desktop environment
they are in. At the best of times it seems like a trip into the weeds.
Although as this thread is going much like every other Gene thread I
have ever seen, we probably will never get to even that first step
before it cycles around again, no matter what is attempted.
I wish Gene had an experienced Linux user geographically near to him.
Thanks,
Andy
What is fastfetch? I haven't the executable or the manpage for it
Let me Google that for you: <https://www.google.com/search?q=debian+fastfetch+package>.
Jeff
gene@coyote:~$ env | grep XDG_ XDG_CONFIG_DIRS=/home/gene/.config/kdedefaults:/etc/xdg:/usr/share/desktop-base/kf5-settings
XDG_SEAT=seat0
XDG_SESSION_DESKTOP=plasma
XDG_SESSION_TYPE=x11
XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=KDE
gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:No luck there either, Dan
On 6/6/25 14:44, Dan Ritter wrote:Somewhat random things you haven't [been told to] tried yet:
ps auwx | grep wmgene@coyote:~$ ps auwx | grep wm
gene    3863 0.0 0.3 924916 109904 ?    Sl  07:10  0:00
/usr/bin/akonadi_newmailnotifier_agent --identifier
akonadi_newmailnotifier_agent
gene    22155 0.0 0.0  6408 2216 pts/11  S+  14:45  0:00
grep wm
I put a sudo in front of that, same result. No wm found. So I/we are
still confused. Thanks Dan Ritter.
ps -fe | grep open
ps -fe | grep lx
You can use ps auwx instead of ps -fe of course.
Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET..
On Fri, Jun 6, 2025 at 11:30 PM nsrxnst <nsrxnst@bruttocarattere.org> wrote:
Try this instead: <https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+a+help+vampire>.Let me Google that for you:this is inappropriate
<https://www.google.com/search?q=debian+fastfetch+package>.
Jeff
On 6/6/25 23:48, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
On Fri, Jun 6, 2025 at 11:30 PM nsrxnst <nsrxnst@bruttocarattere.org>
wrote:
Try this instead:Let me Google that for you:this is inappropriate
<https://www.google.com/search?q=debian+fastfetch+package>.
<https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+a+help+vampire>.
Jeff
So is the above Jeff, I was programming an RCA 1802 when it was new in
1979, writing a program for a tv station (KRCR-12) in Redding CA w/o
even an assembler that was still in many times a day use in the late
90's when it burnt to the ground. Fire had no connection to that Cosmac
super elf. Programming was a heck of a lot simpler back then.
What were you doing in 1979? Have your fingerprints on the pcb's in the cameras been to the bottom of the mohole? Mine have. That year was 1959
and the cameras were on the navy's Trieste. By the way, water IS
compressible when the pressure is about 18,000 PSIA.
Now I'm retired, outlived the 3 women who have shared my bed, and 8 of
my 12 children since the first 2 wives came with kids of their own, now
90 yo, diabetic and a widower, and cpu's can have dozens of cores that understand hundred of commands that didn't exist when I started.
Go ahead, sit for the CET test. That will test your intimate knowledge
of Albert Einsteins work, among other things.
Ask me something about electronics, or relativity, I can still do that.
It is all relative...
 .. Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
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