• Linux friendly FM tuner on USB device - available?

    From Richard Owlett@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 23 14:00:01 2025
    I'm old enough to remember pocket radios of the fifties/sixties.
    I looking for a USB device to plug into my laptop running Debian 12 so I
    can listen to a local station while working. I'd also want to record as
    MP3 for listening at a more convenient time.

    My web search turned up little relevant detail.

    Suggestions?

    TIA

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  • From John Dow@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 23 14:40:01 2025
    On 23 Jun 2025, at 13:10, Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> wrote:

    On Jun 23, 2025, Richard Owlett wrote:
    I'm old enough to remember pocket radios of the fifties/sixties.
    I looking for a USB device to plug into my laptop running Debian 12 so
    I can listen to a local station while working. I'd also want to record
    as MP3 for listening at a more convenient time.

    RTL2832U dongle and RTL-SDR should cover that. RECORDING the station
    might be a little more interesting, but I don't see why it wouldn't be doable.

    Note that most of the things sold with this chipset are going to be
    marketed as TV Tuners; but the chip itself is capable of receiving
    anything between the 630 meter and 23 centimeter bands (approx 475 KHz
    to 1.2 GHz).

    I’ve just checked by plugging in my RTL SDR - it does exactly what you want. If you use Gqrx, you can record directly from it.

    J

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  • From Dan Purgert@21:1/5 to Richard Owlett on Mon Jun 23 14:20:01 2025
    On Jun 23, 2025, Richard Owlett wrote:
    I'm old enough to remember pocket radios of the fifties/sixties.
    I looking for a USB device to plug into my laptop running Debian 12 so
    I can listen to a local station while working. I'd also want to record
    as MP3 for listening at a more convenient time.

    RTL2832U dongle and RTL-SDR should cover that. RECORDING the station
    might be a little more interesting, but I don't see why it wouldn't be
    doable.

    Note that most of the things sold with this chipset are going to be
    marketed as TV Tuners; but the chip itself is capable of receiving
    anything between the 630 meter and 23 centimeter bands (approx 475 KHz
    to 1.2 GHz).

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  • From Richard Owlett@21:1/5 to Dan Purgert on Mon Jun 23 16:00:01 2025
    On 6/23/25 7:10 AM, Dan Purgert wrote:
    On Jun 23, 2025, Richard Owlett wrote:
    I'm old enough to remember pocket radios of the fifties/sixties.
    I looking for a USB device to plug into my laptop running Debian 12 so
    I can listen to a local station while working. I'd also want to record
    as MP3 for listening at a more convenient time.

    RTL2832U dongle and RTL-SDR should cover that. RECORDING the station
    might be a little more interesting, but I don't see why it wouldn't be doable.

    Note that most of the things sold with this chipset are going to be
    marketed as TV Tuners; but the chip itself is capable of receiving
    anything between the 630 meter and 23 centimeter bands (approx 475 KHz
    to 1.2 GHz).


    That explains the irrelevant hits I got to my web search.
    That chip can do TOO much.
    I was looking for a device aimed at 88-108 MHz band with builtin
    antenna. [https://www.adafruit.com/product/1497 approaches my goal]

    All this excess reminds me of 1990's B&W line-art precursors of cartoon
    at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_swing_cartoon ;/

    Preliminary searches for "RTL2832U" and/or "RTL-SDR" are promising.
    Thank you.

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  • From Hans@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 23 16:10:01 2025
    Am Montag, 23. Juni 2025, 13:53:35 CEST schrieb Richard Owlett:
    I'm old enough to remember pocket radios of the fifties/sixties.
    I looking for a USB device to plug into my laptop running Debian 12 so I
    can listen to a local station while working. I'd also want to record as
    MP3 for listening at a more convenient time.

    My web search turned up little relevant detail.

    Suggestions?

    TIA
    The chipset is important. The RTL2832U is working well and is well suported in linux.

    As GUI most people are using GQRX in linux, but I heard, some windows gui
    shall work with wine.

    However, my personal success was most time with GQRX.

    Maybe you might want to take a deeper look at 2823U-dongles, there are two different kinds available: One is for 24MHz up to 1,8GHz, the other one is for 100kHz up to 1,8GHz.

    The difference between them ist, the one with shortwave capable got TWO tunerchips inside, one for only shortwave, the other one for vhf and uhf.

    Shortwave might be intereresting if you are a radio amateur like me.

    Besides, I personally got the one for shortwave not running. It is confirmed
    to be possible, the problem here is not the technics, but the operater (say: me).

    Hope this helps a little bit.

    Best

    Hans

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  • From Dan Purgert@21:1/5 to Richard Owlett on Mon Jun 23 16:30:03 2025
    On Jun 23, 2025, Richard Owlett wrote:
    On 6/23/25 7:10 AM, Dan Purgert wrote:
    On Jun 23, 2025, Richard Owlett wrote:
    I'm old enough to remember pocket radios of the fifties/sixties.
    I looking for a USB device to plug into my laptop running Debian 12 so
    I can listen to a local station while working. I'd also want to record
    as MP3 for listening at a more convenient time.

    RTL2832U dongle and RTL-SDR should cover that. RECORDING the station
    might be a little more interesting, but I don't see why it wouldn't be doable.

    Note that most of the things sold with this chipset are going to be marketed as TV Tuners; but the chip itself is capable of receiving
    anything between the 630 meter and 23 centimeter bands (approx 475 KHz
    to 1.2 GHz).


    That explains the irrelevant hits I got to my web search.
    That chip can do TOO much.
    I was looking for a device aimed at 88-108 MHz band with builtin antenna. [https://www.adafruit.com/product/1497 approaches my goal]

    That adafruit one is OK. I'm not a big fan of the MCX connector, since
    you're a bit tied to that antenna then -- similar to older TVs that only
    had the 300-ohm twin-lead connection instead of an F-connector.

    It's certainly not the end of the world by any means, just gets annoying if/when the antenna needs to be moved around for better reception (I
    don't like adding adapters if I can avoid it).

    All this excess reminds me of 1990's B&W line-art precursors of cartoon at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_swing_cartoon ;/

    Which bit is the "excess" here? The breadth of ranges at which the
    receiver works?


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  • From Van Snyder@21:1/5 to Richard Owlett on Tue Jun 24 03:00:01 2025
    On Mon, 2025-06-23 at 06:53 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
    I'm old enough to remember pocket radios of the fifties/sixties.
    I looking for a USB device to plug into my laptop running Debian 12
    so I
    can listen to a local station while working. I'd also want to record
    as
    MP3 for listening at a more convenient time.

    My web search turned up little relevant detail.

    Suggestions?

    Many FM radio stations now have an app or web site to listen to them. I
    listen to KUSC.org


    <html><head></head><body><div>On Mon, 2025-06-23 at 06:53 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex; border-left:2px #729fcf solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>I'm old enough to remember pocket radios of the fifties/
    sixties.<br></div><div>I looking for a USB device to plug into my laptop running Debian 12 so I <br></div><div>can listen to a local station while working. I'd also want to record as <br></div><div>MP3 for listening at a more convenient time.<br></div><
    <br></div><div>My web search turned up little relevant detail.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Suggestions?</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Many FM radio stations now have an app or web site to listen to them. I listen to KUSC.org</div><div><br></
    <div><span></span></div></body></html>

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  • From Richard Owlett@21:1/5 to Van Snyder on Tue Jun 24 13:00:02 2025
    On 6/23/25 7:53 PM, Van Snyder wrote:
    On Mon, 2025-06-23 at 06:53 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
    I'm old enough to remember pocket radios of the fifties/sixties.
    I looking for a USB device to plug into my laptop running Debian 12
    so I
    can listen to a local station while working. I'd also want to record
    as
    MP3 for listening at a more convenient time.

    My web search turned up little relevant detail.

    Suggestions?

    Many FM radio stations now have an app or web site to listen to them. I listen to KUSC.org


    I'm aware of that. One of the things I'm interested in is games of local
    minor league baseball team. Also listening to programs via web eats into
    my data cap - I use my provider's least expensive plan. It wasn't all
    that long ago that I abandoned my acoustic coupler based connection.[grin]

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  • From Richard Owlett@21:1/5 to Hans on Tue Jun 24 14:30:01 2025
    On 6/23/25 9:00 AM, Hans wrote:
    Am Montag, 23. Juni 2025, 13:53:35 CEST schrieb Richard Owlett:
    I'm old enough to remember pocket radios of the fifties/sixties.
    I looking for a USB device to plug into my laptop running Debian 12 so I
    can listen to a local station while working. I'd also want to record as
    MP3 for listening at a more convenient time.

    My web search turned up little relevant detail.

    Suggestions?

    TIA
    The chipset is important. The RTL2832U is working well and is well suported in
    linux.

    As GUI most people are using GQRX in linux, but I heard, some windows gui shall work with wine.

    However, my personal success was most time with GQRX.

    Maybe you might want to take a deeper look at 2823U-dongles, there are two different kinds available: One is for 24MHz up to 1,8GHz, the other one is for
    100kHz up to 1,8GHz.

    The difference between them ist, the one with shortwave capable got TWO tunerchips inside, one for only shortwave, the other one for vhf and uhf.

    Shortwave might be intereresting if you are a radio amateur like me.

    Besides, I personally got the one for shortwave not running. It is confirmed to be possible, the problem here is not the technics, but the operater (say: me).

    Hope this helps a little bit.

    It does.
    Searching for the various chips mentioned in this thread has been
    productive. I suspect a hobbyist has solved most of my problems.

    Side Issue -- Google and DuckDuckGo seem more interested in quantity
    rather than quality. Any pointers to search engine with friendly Boolean search? TIA


    Best

    Hans


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  • From Richard Owlett@21:1/5 to Dan Purgert on Tue Jun 24 14:20:02 2025
    On 6/23/25 9:28 AM, Dan Purgert wrote:
    On Jun 23, 2025, Richard Owlett wrote:
    On 6/23/25 7:10 AM, Dan Purgert wrote:
    On Jun 23, 2025, Richard Owlett wrote:
    I'm old enough to remember pocket radios of the fifties/sixties.
    I looking for a USB device to plug into my laptop running Debian 12 so >>>> I can listen to a local station while working. I'd also want to record >>>> as MP3 for listening at a more convenient time.

    RTL2832U dongle and RTL-SDR should cover that. RECORDING the station
    might be a little more interesting, but I don't see why it wouldn't be
    doable.

    Note that most of the things sold with this chipset are going to be
    marketed as TV Tuners; but the chip itself is capable of receiving
    anything between the 630 meter and 23 centimeter bands (approx 475 KHz
    to 1.2 GHz).


    That explains the irrelevant hits I got to my web search.
    That chip can do TOO much.
    I was looking for a device aimed at 88-108 MHz band with builtin antenna.
    [https://www.adafruit.com/product/1497 approaches my goal]

    That adafruit one is OK. I'm not a big fan of the MCX connector, since you're a bit tied to that antenna then -- similar to older TVs that only
    had the 300-ohm twin-lead connection instead of an F-connector.

    I mentioned the adafruit as it came up as an early hit that leaned in
    general direction of my personal goal.


    It's certainly not the end of the world by any means, just gets annoying if/when the antenna needs to be moved around for better reception (I
    don't like adding adapters if I can avoid it).

    As I'm interested in local broadcasts only, sensitivity/directivity is
    not an issue. A screw post would serve for antenna connection - short
    wire is "good enough antenna" for my el cheapo clock radio ;}


    All this excess reminds me of 1990's B&W line-art precursors of cartoon at >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_swing_cartoon ;/

    Which bit is the "excess" here? The breadth of ranges at which the
    receiver works?


    Essentially ;}
    Featuritis can get in way of usability.

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  • From Dan Purgert@21:1/5 to Richard Owlett on Tue Jun 24 15:10:01 2025
    On Jun 24, 2025, Richard Owlett wrote:
    On 6/23/25 9:28 AM, Dan Purgert wrote:
    On Jun 23, 2025, Richard Owlett wrote:
    [https://www.adafruit.com/product/1497 approaches my goal]

    That adafruit one is OK. I'm not a big fan of the MCX connector, since you're a bit tied to that antenna then -- similar to older TVs that only had the 300-ohm twin-lead connection instead of an F-connector.

    I mentioned the adafruit as it came up as an early hit that leaned in
    general direction of my personal goal.

    Yeah, it's not a bad receiver in general -- just a case of that
    connector *potentially* being a source of headaches.



    It's certainly not the end of the world by any means, just gets annoying if/when the antenna needs to be moved around for better reception (I
    don't like adding adapters if I can avoid it).

    As I'm interested in local broadcasts only, sensitivity/directivity is not
    an issue. A screw post would serve for antenna connection - short wire is "good enough antenna" for my el cheapo clock radio ;}

    Oh, that's good then -- I'm in an area where it's "oh if you wanna
    listen to THAT station, the radio has to be THERE; but if you want THIS station, it has to be HERE"

    Granted it's just some old boombox (probably from the 90s) that's seen
    better days.




    All this excess reminds me of 1990's B&W line-art precursors of cartoon at
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_swing_cartoon ;/

    Which bit is the "excess" here? The breadth of ranges at which the receiver works?


    Essentially ;}
    Featuritis can get in way of usability.

    The selection of tuner chip(s) is what gives the possibility of wide
    input range -- in this case the R820T, which runs from ~40 MHz to ~1000
    MHz; allowing it to receive basically all globally-transmitted VHF and
    UHF television signals (here in the US, they're broadcast roughly
    between 50 and 800 MHz). It's not all that special of a tuner, in the
    sense that televisions have used something like this for probably 40+
    years now; basically ever since you had to stop worrying about whether
    to tune VHF or UHF to get what you wanted to watch.

    Tuner works for "radio" simply because FM broadcasts (88-108 MHz in the
    US) are between the former VHF stations 6 (87.75 MHz) and 7 (177 MHz);
    though I think those have been long decommissioned in the US (2005? '08? something like that).

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  • From Richard Owlett@21:1/5 to Richard Owlett on Wed Jun 25 16:20:01 2025
    On 6/24/25 7:27 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
    On 6/23/25 9:00 AM, Hans wrote:
    Am Montag, 23. Juni 2025, 13:53:35 CEST schrieb Richard Owlett:
    I'm old enough to remember pocket radios of the fifties/sixties.
    I looking for a USB device to plug into my laptop running Debian 12 so I >>> can listen to a local station while working. I'd also want to record as
    MP3 for listening at a more convenient time.

    My web search turned up little relevant detail.

    Suggestions?

    TIA
    The chipset is important. The RTL2832U is working well and is well
    suported in
    linux.

    As GUI most people are using GQRX in linux, but I heard, some windows gui
    shall work with wine.

    However, my personal success was most time with GQRX.

    Maybe you might want to take a deeper look at 2823U-dongles, there are
    two
    different kinds available: One is for 24MHz up to 1,8GHz, the other
    one is for
    100kHz up to 1,8GHz.

    The difference between them ist, the one with shortwave capable got TWO
    tunerchips inside, one for only shortwave, the other one for vhf and uhf.

    Shortwave might be intereresting if you are a radio amateur like me.

    Besides, I personally got the one for shortwave not running. It is
    confirmed
    to be possible, the problem here is not the technics, but the operater
    (say:
    me).

    Hope this helps a little bit.

    It does.
    Searching for the various chips mentioned in this thread has been
    productive. I suspect a hobbyist has solved most of my problems.


    I've been following links which led to multiple levels more .....

    Any suggested mailing lists or USENET groups to lurk on so this newbie
    would get an idea of what to search for?
    Part of my problem I'm running into is too much fine detail.
    Something similar to the ham radio group my father was in in the 50's.

    TIA

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  • From Dan Purgert@21:1/5 to Richard Owlett on Wed Jun 25 16:40:01 2025
    On Jun 25, 2025, Richard Owlett wrote:
    On 6/24/25 7:27 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
    On 6/23/25 9:00 AM, Hans wrote:
    Am Montag, 23. Juni 2025, 13:53:35 CEST schrieb Richard Owlett:
    I'm old enough to remember pocket radios of the fifties/sixties.
    I looking for a USB device to plug into my laptop running Debian 12 so I
    can listen to a local station while working. I'd also want to record as MP3 for listening at a more convenient time.

    My web search turned up little relevant detail.

    Suggestions?

    TIA
    The chipset is important. The RTL2832U is working well and is well suported in
    linux.

    As GUI most people are using GQRX in linux, but I heard, some windows gui shall work with wine.

    However, my personal success was most time with GQRX.

    Maybe you might want to take a deeper look at 2823U-dongles, there
    are two
    different kinds available: One is for 24MHz up to 1,8GHz, the other
    one is for
    100kHz up to 1,8GHz.

    The difference between them ist, the one with shortwave capable got TWO tunerchips inside, one for only shortwave, the other one for vhf and uhf.

    Shortwave might be intereresting if you are a radio amateur like me.

    Besides, I personally got the one for shortwave not running. It is confirmed
    to be possible, the problem here is not the technics, but the
    operater (say:
    me).

    Hope this helps a little bit.

    It does.
    Searching for the various chips mentioned in this thread has been productive. I suspect a hobbyist has solved most of my problems.


    I've been following links which led to multiple levels more .....

    Any suggested mailing lists or USENET groups to lurk on so this newbie
    would get an idea of what to search for?

    I don't know of any offhand -- I've got a couple of ham buddies I
    usually bounce questions off of on a closed IRC channel, because
    otherwise you find yourself buying gold-plated monster cables or
    something; since it seems that's become a thing (or well, "just buy
    stuff" rather than "build stuff").

    You can shoot me an email offlist if you want.

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  • From Jan Claeys@21:1/5 to Richard Owlett on Mon Jun 30 13:20:01 2025
    On Tue, 2025-06-24 at 07:27 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
    Side Issue -- Google and DuckDuckGo seem more interested in quantity
    rather than quality. Any pointers to search engine with friendly
    Boolean search? TIA

    "You" "can" "try" "putting" "double" "quotes" "around" "every" "word"
    AND "word group" OR -use -dashes -to -exclude

    https://www.lifehack.org/articles/technology/20-tips-use-google-search-efficiently.html
    https://www.lifewire.com/bing-advanced-search-3482817

    ... might also be useful (DDG is based on Bing)


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