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From rudu@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 26 01:50:01 2025

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Hi
I'm just trying to get a break from debian-user for a month.
So I sent a mail with due subject to request as asked here :

List-Unsubscribe:<mailto:debian-user-request@lists.debian.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Nothing happened.
So I went to https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ where I put my mail
address, the same I use right here.
Again to no avail.
Looking for help, I read here : https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#subglitches
... that I could try to send a mail from another address with subject unsubscribe quux@exemple.com
... with of course the mail address I use here again.

I did all that at least 15 hours ago, so I guess I've been patient
enough ;-)

So, can anybody tell me what to do ?

Thanks
Rudu
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Hi 
I'm just trying to get a break from debian-user for a month. 
So I sent a mail with due subject to request as asked here : 
<pre>List-Unsubscribe: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:debian-user-request@lists.debian.org?subject=unsubscribe"><mailto:debian-user-request@lists.debian.org?subject=unsubscribe></a></pre>
Nothing happened. 
So I went to <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/">https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/</a> where I put my
mail address, the same I use right here. 
Again to no avail. 
Looking for help, I read here :
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#subglitches">https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#subglitches</a> 
... that I could try to send a mail from another address with
subject <kbd>unsubscribe <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:quux@exemple.com">quux@exemple.com</a></kbd> 
... with of course the mail address I use here again. 
 
I did all that at least 15 hours ago, so I guess I've been patient
enough ;-) 
 
So, can anybody tell me what to do ? 
 
Thanks 
Rudu 
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From Andy Smith@21:1/5 to rudu on Sat Jul 26 02:20:01 2025

Hi,

On Sat, Jul 26, 2025 at 01:34:31AM +0200, rudu wrote:

I'm just trying to get a break from debian-user for a month.
So I sent a mail with due subject to request as asked here :

List-Unsubscribe:<mailto:debian-user-request@lists.debian.org?subject=unsubscribe>

This isn't a very verbose explanation of what you did. I hope you did
this:

Sent an email to debian-user-requests@lists.debian.org with subject
line "unsubscribe"

If you did that, that should work.

PROVIDED THAT HE EMAIL ADDRESS YOU SENT IT FROM IS ACTUALLY THE ONE
SUBSCRIBED TO THE LIST.

Nothing happened.

If, on the other hand, the address you sent it *from* is *not*
subscribed to the list, then silence is what would be expected. It won't
work.

So I went to https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ where I put my mail address, the same I use right here.
Again to no avail.
Looking for help, I read here : https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#subglitches
... that I could try to send a mail from another address with subject unsubscribe quux@exemple.com
... with of course the mail address I use here again.

Aain I find the above difficult to parse. What is "quux:exemple.com"? Is
it you giving an example? It would help us if you told us *exactly* what
you did, with no censoring.

The email address younare using to send this post is rudu@cegetel.net.
Is that what you put in the subject line? Is that the one you sent
*from* in your first attempt?

Perhaps rudu@cegetel.net is not the address you are subscribed as?
Emails can still find their way into your inbox even using different
addresses. You can check by viewing the headers of an email you received
from the list and looking for the "Envelope-To" header near the top. For example, mine says:

Envelope-to: andy@strugglers.net

That's the address I am subscribed as, so you can find out yours that
way.

Thanks,
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From Andy Smith@21:1/5 to rhkramer@gmail.com on Sat Jul 26 14:40:01 2025

Hi,

On Sat, Jul 26, 2025 at 08:02:58AM -0400, rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:

(I'm not the OP) Oh, that's interesting -- I've always had trouble with the term "Envelope" address, and looking at the headers in the email I'm replying to, I see that the first header is "Delivered-To:" <my email address> and there
is no header labeled "Envelope"<anything>.

OK, sorry, that one was probably aded by my mail server. The actual
address delivered to shoud be in the headers somewhere near the top
though, at least in a Received: one.

Thanks,
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From Andy Smith@21:1/5 to rudu on Sat Jul 26 14:40:01 2025

Hi,

On Sat, Jul 26, 2025 at 11:56:58AM +0200, rudu wrote:

Yes the address I use is rudu@cegetel.net, sorry for my imprecision.

I join my first attempt to this mail.

It looks okay. So guesses I have left are:

a) rudu@cegetel.net is not the actual address you are subscribed as. I
already advised to check the full headers of a piuece of list email
that you receive to see what the list thinks you are subscribed as.
Or;

b) Is it possible that you are automatically junking emails from the list
now? WHen you request unsubscription, the list software will send a
confirmation message back to the address you are trying to
unsubscribe. That mail contains a one time password and asks you to
reply to it. If you don't get that email, you can't reply, and the
unsubscription doesn't happen.

If all of that fails, it would probably be best to contact listmaster@debian.org and explain your difficulties. That should put you
in contact with a human volunteer who is able to manually unsubscribe
you.

Thanks,
Andy

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From David Wright@21:1/5 to Andy Smith on Sat Jul 26 16:10:01 2025

On Sat 26 Jul 2025 at 12:32:35 (+0000), Andy Smith wrote:

On Sat, Jul 26, 2025 at 08:02:58AM -0400, rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:

(I'm not the OP) Oh, that's interesting -- I've always had trouble with the term "Envelope" address, and looking at the headers in the email I'm replying
to, I see that the first header is "Delivered-To:" <my email address> and there
is no header labeled "Envelope"<anything>.

OK, sorry, that one was probably aded by my mail server. The actual
address delivered to shoud be in the headers somewhere near the top
though, at least in a Received: one.

AFAICT for debian-user, the envelope address that you used is
in the Old-Return-Path: header. It's where your bounced mails
will be sent. The OP's looks the same as the From: address:
→Old-Return-Path: <rudu@cegetel.net>
→From: rudu <rudu@cegetel.net>

How it's shown is different for different lists: some will quote
the envelope-from, and even the HELO, that's used at different
steps along the way. I especially like:
helo=antelope.elm.relay.mailchannels.net
helo=bonobo.aspen.relay.mailchannels.net
helo=camel.birch.relay.mailchannels.net
helo=dormouse.elm.relay.mailchannels.net
helo=iguana.tulip.relay.mailchannels.net
helo=snail.cherry.relay.mailchannels.net
etc., but not when the snail takes four hours to relay the
fruits of my labour to the list.

Cheers,
David.

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From Andy Smith@21:1/5 to rudu on Sat Jul 26 18:00:01 2025

Hi,

On Sat, Jul 26, 2025 at 05:41:38PM +0200, rudu wrote:

Le 26/07/2025 � 14:37, Andy Smith a �crit�:

It looks okay. So guesses I have left are:

a) rudu@cegetel.net is not the actual address you are subscribed as. I
already advised to check the full headers of a piuece of list email
that you receive to see what the list thinks you are subscribed as.
Or;

Ok, maybe I'm wrong so I pasted the whole header of the mail I'm responding here at the end.
Maybe someone will see something I don't.

Nope, you really do appear to be subscribed as rudu@cegetel.net. I don't
know why the unsubscription is not working for you. I think you'll have
to ask the listmaster@debian.org address for help.

Here's the headers where you can see your address:

Return-Path: <bounce-debian-user=rudu=cegetel.net@lists.debian.org>

(translated from "rudu=cegetel.net")

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Thanks,
Andy

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From rudu@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 26 17:50:01 2025

Thank you all for your time,

Le 26/07/2025 à 14:37, Andy Smith a écrit :

Hi,

On Sat, Jul 26, 2025 at 11:56:58AM +0200, rudu wrote:

Yes the address I use is rudu@cegetel.net, sorry for my imprecision.

I join my first attempt to this mail.

It looks okay. So guesses I have left are:

a) rudu@cegetel.net is not the actual address you are subscribed as. I
already advised to check the full headers of a piuece of list email
that you receive to see what the list thinks you are subscribed as.
Or;

Ok, maybe I'm wrong so I pasted the whole header of the mail I'm
responding here at the end.
Maybe someone will see something I don't.

b) Is it possible that you are automatically junking emails from the list
now? WHen you request unsubscription, the list software will send a
confirmation message back to the address you are trying to
unsubscribe. That mail contains a one time password and asks you to
reply to it. If you don't get that email, you can't reply, and the
unsubscription doesn't happen.

I thought of that, so further than looking in the spam box of
Thnuderbird, I got a look in the webmail of my provider to check its
spam box too.
There wasn't any confirmation message of my unsubscription either.

Thank you Andy for the contact of the listmaster, I may contact him if
nobody sees what I'm doing wrong.

Rudu

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From rudu@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 26 22:30:01 2025

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Le 26/07/2025 à 17:58, Andy Smith a écrit :

Hi,

On Sat, Jul 26, 2025 at 05:41:38PM +0200, rudu wrote:

Le 26/07/2025 à 14:37, Andy Smith a écrit :

It looks okay. So guesses I have left are:

a)rudu@cegetel.net is not the actual address you are subscribed as. I
already advised to check the full headers of a piuece of list email >>> that you receive to see what the list thinks you are subscribed as. >>> Or;

Ok, maybe I'm wrong so I pasted the whole header of the mail I'm responding >> here at the end.
Maybe someone will see something I don't.

Nope, you really do appear to be subscribed asrudu@cegetel.net. I don't
know why the unsubscription is not working for you. I think you'll have
to ask thelistmaster@debian.org address for help.

Ok, thank you Andy, I'll do that.

Rudu
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 26/07/2025 à 17:58, Andy Smith a
écrit : 
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<blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:aIT7QAqvLhrefort@mail.bitfolk.com">
<pre wrap="" class="moz-quote-pre">Hi,

On Sat, Jul 26, 2025 at 05:41:38PM +0200, rudu wrote:
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="" class="moz-quote-pre">Le 26/07/2025 à 14:37, Andy Smith a écrit :
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="" class="moz-quote-pre">It looks okay. So guesses I have left are:

a) <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:rudu@cegetel.net">rudu@cegetel.net</a> is not the actual address you are subscribed as. I
already advised to check the full headers of a piuece of list email
that you receive to see what the list thinks you are subscribed as.
Or;
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="" class="moz-quote-pre">Ok, maybe I'm wrong so I pasted the whole header of the mail I'm responding
here at the end.
Maybe someone will see something I don't.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="" class="moz-quote-pre">
Nope, you really do appear to be subscribed as <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:rudu@cegetel.net">rudu@cegetel.net</a>. I don't
know why the unsubscription is not working for you. I think you'll have
to ask the <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:listmaster@debian.org">listmaster@debian.org</a> address for help.</pre>
</blockquote>
Ok, thank you Andy, I'll do that. 
 
Rudu 
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