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    From Robert Wilkinson@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 28 19:10:02 2023
    Hello

    What chance do I have of getting Debian to run on my new RPi 5 ?

    If it is possible to get debootstrap to start it going, I would apreciate advice.

    I did try images from https://raspi.debian.net/daily-images/ but they will not work on RPi 5 (only say they work up to 4) and the boot loader spat some error message when I tried to boot a trixie image.

    I can run Raspbian - but I would rather not.

    I can run some version of Ubuntu (the desktop version, but not the server), but again I would rather not.

    I intend to run the machine as a kubernetes server. I think that I would prefer to use Ubuntu over Raspbian, but would much prefer Debian.

    So, I could run it headless, but would prefer if I could use the HDMI output.

    Bob
    --
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  • From peter green@21:1/5 to Robert Wilkinson on Wed Nov 29 12:40:01 2023
    On 28/11/2023 17:52, Robert Wilkinson wrote:
    Hello

    What chance do I have of getting Debian to run on my new RPi 5 ?

    Pure Debian will likely be possible in the long term, but it may take a while.

    The Debian kernel team refuse to package vendor downstream kernels (ubuntu are more flexible on this). So the first thing that needs to happen is adequate support for the Pi 5 in upstream kernels. Some searches turned up that there does seem to be some raspberry pi 5 related activity on the upstream kernel mailing lists (e.g. https://www.spinics.net/lists/kernel/msg4986331.html )

    Once there is adequate support in upstream kernels, then the Debian packaging can be updated to support it.

    In the meantime it's almost certainly possible to run a pure Debian userland with a kernel from Raspberry pi.

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  • From Marcin Juszkiewicz@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 29 13:50:01 2023
    W dniu 28.11.2023 o 18:52, Robert Wilkinson pisze:
    What chance do I have of getting Debian to run on my new RPi 5 ?

    Peter Robinson wrote on Fedora Arm mailing list how far any support for Raspberry/Pi 5 is when it comes to mainline kernel distros (like Debian
    or Fedora).

    https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/arm@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/ER5R4CSDCZENQSVSPULNGSAFK63SQZDK/

    In short: as usual, forget.

    Use Raspbian (or how they call it) and wait a year or more.

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  • From Larry Dighera@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 16 21:30:01 2023
    I installed:

    Raspberry Pi OS (64-bit)
    Raspberry Pi OS with desktop and recommended software
    Release date: December 5th 2023
    System: 64-bit
    Kernel version: 6.1
    Debian version: 12 (bookworm)
    Size: 2,732MB

    From this page:
    https://www.raspberrypi.com/software/operating-systems/


    Is anyone able to get a RPi5 to STANDBY? (Sleep isn't supported yet.) https://forums.raspberrypi.com/viewtopic.php?p=2169608#p2169608


    Larry
    WB6BBB



    On Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:52:44 +0000, Robert Wilkinson <bob@fourtheye.org>
    wrote:

    Hello

    What chance do I have of getting Debian to run on my new RPi 5 ?

    If it is possible to get debootstrap to start it going, I would apreciate advice.

    I did try images from https://raspi.debian.net/daily-images/ but they will not work on RPi 5 (only say they work up to 4) and the boot loader spat some error message when I tried to boot a trixie image.

    I can run Raspbian - but I would rather not.

    I can run some version of Ubuntu (the desktop version, but not the server), but again I would rather not.

    I intend to run the machine as a kubernetes server. I think that I would prefer to use Ubuntu over Raspbian, but would much prefer Debian.

    So, I could run it headless, but would prefer if I could use the HDMI output.

    Bob

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  • From Larry Dighera@21:1/5 to Larry Dighera on Fri Dec 22 17:50:01 2023
    In response to:

    From what's posted here:
    https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues/1635, it appears that
    Raspberry Pi engineers have decided sleep/hibernate are too costly to
    pursue.

    I received this response:

    https://forums.raspberrypi.com/viewtopic.php?p=2170236#p2170236
    Re: RPi5 Bookworm Desktop: How to hibernate and sleep?
    Wed Dec 20, 2023 2:11 pm

    That refers to Pi 4 (well it doesn't refer to Pi 4, but it was before the launch of Pi 5!)

    On Pi 5, the suspend to SDRAM is implemented in the kernel and firmware (it worked the last time we tested it, but of course might be broken at the moment). What we're waiting for is support from the SDRAM PHY team at
    Broadcom to provide the sequences to get into and out of self-refresh
    mode...

    We're expecting to have that sometime in the new year...
    Gordon Hollingworth PhD
    Raspberry Pi - Chief Technology Officer - Software




    On Sat, 16 Dec 2023 12:18:30 -0800, Larry Dighera <LDighera@att.net> wrote:


    I installed:

    Raspberry Pi OS (64-bit)
    Raspberry Pi OS with desktop and recommended software
    Release date: December 5th 2023
    System: 64-bit
    Kernel version: 6.1
    Debian version: 12 (bookworm)
    Size: 2,732MB

    From this page:
    https://www.raspberrypi.com/software/operating-systems/


    Is anyone able to get a RPi5 to STANDBY? (Sleep isn't supported yet.) >https://forums.raspberrypi.com/viewtopic.php?p=2169608#p2169608


    Larry
    WB6BBB



    On Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:52:44 +0000, Robert Wilkinson <bob@fourtheye.org> >wrote:

    Hello

    What chance do I have of getting Debian to run on my new RPi 5 ?

    If it is possible to get debootstrap to start it going, I would apreciate advice.

    I did try images from https://raspi.debian.net/daily-images/ but they will not work on RPi 5 (only say they work up to 4) and the boot loader spat some error message when I tried to boot a trixie image.

    I can run Raspbian - but I would rather not.

    I can run some version of Ubuntu (the desktop version, but not the server), but again I would rather not.

    I intend to run the machine as a kubernetes server. I think that I would prefer to use Ubuntu over Raspbian, but would much prefer Debian.

    So, I could run it headless, but would prefer if I could use the HDMI output. >>
    Bob

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