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  • Re: Bug#1088739: colors make ip's output unreadable

    From =?utf-8?Q?Bj=C3=B8rn_Mork?=@21:1/5 to Luca Boccassi on Sat Nov 30 14:50:01 2024
    Luca Boccassi <luca.boccassi@gmail.com> writes:

    There are no patches or color choices downstream, it's just what
    upstream provides,

    You know very well that this is not true, as this bug report already
    states. The upstream default is "never". You enabled "auto" and
    thereby broke terminal output for anyone using a dark background.

    Blaming this on upstream is ... (couldn't figure out a suitabled
    adjective to put here which would comply with Debian rules).


    Bjørn

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  • From Harald Dunkel@21:1/5 to Luca Boccassi on Mon Dec 2 12:40:01 2024
    On 2024-11-30 12:39:31, Luca Boccassi wrote:
    There are no patches or color choices downstream, it's just what
    upstream provides, so if you don't like their choice of a default,
    please bring it up upstream, we will not carry out-of-tree patches to customise something like this for one particular user, sorry.

    PS: The color=auto is set in Debian's control/rules file (overriding
    upstream's default), so what are you actually talking about?

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  • From Harald Dunkel@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 2 12:20:01 2024
    Hi Luca,

    I think it is inappropriate that you put your personal preferences
    over usability in general. It is unreasonable to set a font color
    without taking the background color into account.

    My request is to go with upstream's default, giving a readable output
    in general. If a user prefers to have colors, he is still free to
    configure iproute2 in his private environment accordingly. Upstream
    follows this good practice, so should Debian.


    Regards

    Harri

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  • From =?utf-8?Q?Bj=C3=B8rn_Mork?=@21:1/5 to Luca Boccassi on Tue Dec 3 21:00:01 2024
    Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> writes:

    Blue on a black background is as impossible to read as yellow on
    white.

    Whether to use blue or yellow or any other specific color for a
    specific field is just how iproute2 is coded. If you want to have
    specific fields use different specific colors, you'll need to propose
    such changes upstream.

    Do you need a new bug report to understand that it is YOUR Debian
    packaging the complaints are about? Just say so, then. There's no need
    to be rude. Again.

    Or did you really want us to go to upstream with your claim that they
    broke this?

    Can do both. No problem


    Bjørn

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  • From Luca Boccassi@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 3 20:30:02 2024
    I think it is inappropriate that you put your personal preferences
    over usability in general. It is unreasonable to set a font color
    without taking the background color into account.

    I think it is inappropriate that you put your personal preferences over usability in general. It is unreasonable to unset a font color for
    everyone because of your personal, non-default choices of
    desktop/terminal themes. If a user prefers not to have colors, he is
    still free to configure iproute2 in his private environment
    accordingly.

    iproute2 produces dozens of lines of dense output, and color-coding
    fields greatly enhances readability and usability in the general and
    default cases.

    PS: The color=auto is set in Debian's control/rules file (overriding upstream's default), so what are you actually talking about?

    I am actually talking about the original email, which is referring to
    the choice of color for some field. Quoting verbatim:

    Blue on a black background is as impossible to read as yellow on
    white.

    Whether to use blue or yellow or any other specific color for a
    specific field is just how iproute2 is coded. If you want to have
    specific fields use different specific colors, you'll need to propose
    such changes upstream.

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