On Tue, 11 Mar 2025, Anna (cybertailor) Vyalkova wrote:

Let's call it "sci-machine-learning/".

Looks good, but would be better without the second hyphen: "sci-machinelearning". Kind of similar to "app-mobilephone".

There is indeed no limit on the category name length or structure in
the PMS. The way they are named in Gentoo is just a tradition.

There are good reasons to keep the total path length short. For example,
test suites may break if the directory path under PORTAGE_TMPDIR is too
long (and I learned this the hard way).

The category name is a good place to start because it affects multiple packages.

Ulrich

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On 2025-03-11, Eli Schwartz wrote:

On 3/10/25 4:53 PM, Maciej Barć wrote:

Hi!

Although maybe it should be sci-ml.

Let's _not_ use *-ml since for us ml stands for OCaml (which comes from
ML - "Meta langauge").

sci-ai, dev-ai, and app-ai (say, "app-ai/ollama"?) are nice IMO.

- please don't top-post

- Let's _not_ use *-ai since AI stands for generative artificial
intelligence which most of these packages are not, even according to
the intended use of the *-ai term in this thread

I don't understand your argument at all. "ml" is hardly a reserved
concept, and dev-ml exists precisely for "libraries and utilities
relevant to the ML programming language", which isn't going to get
confused with sci-ml/ for the same reason nobody would dream of
searching in sci-cpp/ for "scientific software written in C++", as the emphasis is on *science* and naturally brings the concept of machine
learning to mind.

I could argue that "AI" is too confusing of a term to use because it is
the name of the pale-throated sloth (and because there are other abbreviations that are DEEPLY not on topic for this mailing list). But fortunately people possess the ability to recognize context, and will recognize that Gentoo packages are not talking about members of the
animal kingdom. They will also recognize sci-machine-learning when they
see it.

Or, we could bite the bullet and stop clinging "short and witty two-word categories".

Let's call it "sci-machine-learning/".

Looks good, but would be better without the second hyphen: "sci-machinelearning". Kind of similar to "app-mobilephone".

There is indeed no limit on the category name length or structure in the
PMS. The way they are named in Gentoo is just a tradition.

But obviously, whatever we call it shouldn't feel like deceptive
trickery to the people ***using*** the packages from this proposed new category. So I oppose anything with the name "ai" in it, as it's way too specific, unless it is strictly limited to e.g. ollama, which isn't
actually packaged in ::gentoo and isn't actually on topic as a result.

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