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  • [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Adding a "new-packages-only" (better name appreciate

    From =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_G=C3=B3rny?=@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 13 18:10:01 2025
    Hi,

    GURU -- much like Sunrise of the old days -- has a policy of including
    only packages that aren't in ::gentoo. I'm wondering if we should put
    that into a formal key in metadata/layout.conf that could also be used
    in other repositories. Something like:

    # This repository only permits packages that aren't in any of its
    # masters.
    new-packages-only = true

    We'd use that in pkgcheck to report "duplicate" packages, and perhaps it
    could also cause package managers to always prioritize packages from
    masters, independently of version.

    WDYT?

    --
    Best regards,
    Michał Górny

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  • From Robin H. Johnson@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 14 00:50:01 2025
    On Sun, Jul 13, 2025 at 06:04:45PM +0200, Michał Górny wrote:
    Hi,

    GURU -- much like Sunrise of the old days -- has a policy of including
    only packages that aren't in ::gentoo. I'm wondering if we should put
    that into a formal key in metadata/layout.conf that could also be used
    in other repositories. Something like:

    # This repository only permits packages that aren't in any of its
    # masters.
    new-packages-only = true

    We'd use that in pkgcheck to report "duplicate" packages, and perhaps it could also cause package managers to always prioritize packages from
    masters, independently of version.

    WDYT?
    I like the idea; but the principal of least surprise worries me.
    +1 on warnings based on it.
    -1 on prioritizing from parent repos.

    Example 1:
    Time=0:
    overlay ::A is bleeding edge, and has pkg/cat-0.0.1, possibly right as
    upstream releases it. At this point, it passes pkgcheck CI.
    User does emerge pkg/cat, gets the overlay version.

    Time=+1d
    pkg/cat is added to ::gentoo, with slightly different USE flags or
    config options [possibly to a skipped optional dependency that is not
    yet in ::gentoo]. At this point, the CI on ::A starts to fail. The same
    user is doing a rebuild, and rebuilds pkg/cat; they get pkg/cat from
    ::gentoo, which now has different behavior.

    Example 2:
    Similar to above, but with pkg/cat-9999. Should the package manager
    downgrade the user?


    --
    Best regards,
    Michał Górny



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