• Apple survelliance

    From gfretwell@aol.com@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 8 02:24:33 2021
    Apple announces it will install software on your I-Phone to scan for objectionable content.
    What happened to that unbreakable Apple encryption? I guess there is a
    back door for Apple.
    I don't really have a dog in this fight, I am just curious how Apple
    fans feel. Android is probably next and I don't have one of them
    either.

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  • From R.Wieser@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 8 11:11:13 2021
    gfretwell,

    Apple announces it will install software on your I-Phone to scan
    for objectionable content.

    Did they ? Or is that just some hyped-up (clickbait) conclusion of some third party wanting to make some money off of it ? I've seen several webpages claiming the same, though no link to Apple itself (saying anything like it) anywhere.

    What happened to that unbreakable Apple encryption?

    What good does encryption do anyone when Apple can get at the data before
    its encrypted ?

    I guess there is a back door for Apple.

    Yes. Its called "automatic updates".

    I am just curious how Apple fans feel.

    The dumb ones ? Those go onto the barricades - even though they got exactly what they payed for : an overpriced fragile bling-bling device they are not even allowed to admin themselves and the actual managers have retained the right (meh, who reads EULAs anyway?) to do whatever they please with it.

    The smart ones ? Those realize that such a suggested snitch move would mean
    a death sentence to Apple, as noone would trust them anymore and even be
    afraid of them ("Give me six lines written by the most honest man in the
    world, and I will find enough in them to hang him"). Hence, the chance of
    it actually happening - out in the open or in secrecy - is near to zero.

    Android is probably next

    Which is good news for manufacturers of dumb/feature phones and stand-alone cameras.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser

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  • From Mayayana@21:1/5 to gfretwell@aol.com on Sun Aug 8 09:00:06 2021
    <gfretwell@aol.com> wrote

    | Apple announces it will install software on your I-Phone to scan for
    | objectionable content.
    | What happened to that unbreakable Apple encryption? I guess there is a
    | back door for Apple.

    Better than a backdoor: Pre-installed spyware doing God's
    work. It will be on the phone itself so that files can be scanned
    before they're encrypted. As Edward Snowden and the EFF
    have pointed out, part of the outrage of this is the legal and
    longterm implications. The problem is not just that they'll look for
    child porn. The problem is that a precedent is being set that
    you can be policed on your own property and your property
    can be searched without a warrant... constantly... without
    reasonable suspicion and without a court order. It then just
    requires a minor tweak to start looking for, say, terrorism-related
    words. Child porn and terrorism are foot-in-the-door issues for
    people who find freedom "dangerous".

    This is a blatant rejection of the 4th amendment.

    The software for kids is scary in other ways. What if you
    have a 15-year-old kid who's having sex? Then you get a
    copy of nude photos the lovers are sending each other. If you
    don't call the police, does that make you a child porn purveyor?
    If one lover is 16 y.o., they will be guilty of rape in some states.
    Have you just "aided and abetted" a rapist by letting your
    kid have a lover? Are we all to be forced to become police
    surveillance extensions? If the software makes a mistake,
    how would you defend yourself? Apple found child porn item
    N7TR5-SS17468 on your phone. Apple says the chance of error
    is 1 in a trillion. So it's an open-and-shut case. You're going
    to jail, buddyboy; you creep.

    We've already got vast numbers of
    home surveillance cameras reporting to police. Now your
    phone will be surveilled. How would anyone then justify not
    letting the inside of your home be surveilled? Once that's
    allowed, how does anyone defend not installing the cameras
    themselves? Have they got something to hide? As Google's
    Erci Schmidt says, if you don't want to be spied on then
    maybe you shouldn't be doing what you're doing:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6e7wfDHzew

    Ironically, the justification for this pre-installed spyware
    is that the photos on Apple's servers are encrypted so they
    can't be surveilled. But companies renting/lending cloud
    storage space have no right to rifle through your files in
    the first place, any more than a landlord has a right to
    rummage through your closet. This is an end run by gov't
    extremists: Get tech companies to spy because the legal status
    of digital trespass is vaguely defined. Then pressure those
    companies to share their data. And presto! You've got
    semi-legal, totalitarian surveillance in a democracy.

    We all have a dog in that fight. There could come a time
    when you're not allowed to travel without your cellphone, which
    will contain the record of your activities. A kind of soft fascism.
    Even now people are assuming everyone has a cellphone. When
    I went for my 2nd COVID shot I brought a printed copy of
    the appt email, as directed. But I didn't have it on a cellphone.
    So I had to go through a special, extra step, subjected
    to proving my identity. There was no possible reason for such
    "security". There's no security to ID via email in the first place.
    I had a printed copy of the appt email and I was showing up at
    the appointed time. But officials want to normalize the computerization
    of society... because that's what officials do.

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to gfretwell@aol.com on Sun Aug 8 11:16:31 2021
    gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
    Apple announces it will install software on your I-Phone to scan for objectionable content.
    What happened to that unbreakable Apple encryption? I guess there is a
    back door for Apple.
    I don't really have a dog in this fight, I am just curious how Apple
    fans feel. Android is probably next and I don't have one of them
    either.

    Maybe some day, phones will lose their little cameras,
    and you'll make phone calls with them ? Kooky.

    Flip-phones for the win.

    Between the scraping when you cross the border, and
    all this cloak and dagger shit, what's the point of
    carrying a fondle slab again ?

    I'm going to run off and take pouty pictures of myself
    and see if I can win the hash check jackpot now. If you
    take enough pictures of yourself, eventually there will be
    a false positive.

    They made a random number generator, out of lava lamps, and
    you could set your iPhone to take a picture of that once
    a second. And burn out the NAND.

    https://hackaday.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/lava.png?w=800 [lavarnd]

    Paul

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  • From Jeff Barnett@21:1/5 to Paul on Sun Aug 8 10:00:32 2021
    On 8/8/2021 9:16 AM, Paul wrote:
    gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
    Apple announces it will install software on your I-Phone to scan for
    objectionable content. What happened to that unbreakable Apple
    encryption? I guess there is a
    back door for Apple. I don't really have a dog in this fight, I am
    just curious how Apple
    fans feel. Android is probably next and I don't have one of them
    either.

    Maybe some day, phones will lose their little cameras,
    and you'll make phone calls with them ? Kooky.

    Flip-phones for the win.

    Between the scraping when you cross the border, and
    all this cloak and dagger shit, what's the point of
    carrying a fondle slab again ?

    I'm going to run off and take pouty pictures of myself
    and see if I can win the hash check jackpot now. If you
    take enough pictures of yourself, eventually there will be
    a false positive.

    They made a random number generator, out of lava lamps, and
    you could set your iPhone to take a picture of that once
    a second. And burn out the NAND.

    https://hackaday.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/lava.png?w=800  [lavarnd]

       Paul

    Be still my heart. The lava lamp survives into the 21st Century!
    --
    Jeff Barnett

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  • From John Dulak@21:1/5 to Jeff Barnett on Thu Aug 12 12:59:08 2021
    On 8/8/2021 12:00 PM, Jeff Barnett wrote:


    Be still my heart. The lava lamp survives into the 21st Century!

    Jeff:

    And you can still buy new ones!!

    https://www.sciplus.com/s/?q=lava+lamp

    John
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