I'm losing my old e-mail accounts as they are closed out because my
old version of XP and Firefox cannot access them.

Any XP users know of accounts which still can be used?

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In message <1vu9dp8nipeyc$.x29ob0b7zwqk.dlg@40tude.net>, cal
<vic@smurfing.com> writes

I'm losing my old e-mail accounts as they are closed out because my
old version of XP and Firefox cannot access them.

You mean Thunderbird?

Any XP users know of accounts which still can be used?

Thunderbird V52.9.1 (the last that works on XP) is fine on my PC.
However, IIRC, you need to do a small fix to the configuration file to
get over the constant need to do the double authentication.
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On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 20:07:02 +0000, Ian Jackson wrote:

In message <1vu9dp8nipeyc$.x29ob0b7zwqk.dlg@40tude.net>, cal <vic@smurfing.com> writes

I'm losing my old e-mail accounts as they are closed out because my
old version of XP and Firefox cannot access them.

You mean Thunderbird?

No. I use the regular FFx ver. 52.9

Any XP users know of accounts which still can be used?

Thunderbird V52.9.1 (the last that works on XP) is fine on my PC.
However, IIRC, you need to do a small fix to the configuration file to
get over the constant need to do the double authentication.

I really don't want to change my browser. My old FFx is very simple
and views Youtube vids without showing any of those commercials the
newer browsers are forced to show. A whole bunch of stuff is simpler
with 52.9.

I guess I'm just going to have commander my wife's Win 7 laptop at
times to get my emails.

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On 28.11.22 19:54, cal wrote:

I'm losing my old e-mail accounts as they are closed out because my
old version of XP and Firefox cannot access them.

Any XP users know of accounts which still can be used?

I still use TB 17.0.11 on an XP Pro sp3.
Email and net news.

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On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 20:07:02 +0000, Ian Jackson wrote:

Thunderbird V52.9.1 (the last that works on XP) is fine on my PC.
However, IIRC, you need to do a small fix to the configuration file to
get over the constant need to do the double authentication.

Is that about the cookie problem?

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"Ian Jackson" <ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> wrote

| However, IIRC, you need to do a small fix to the configuration file to
| get over the constant need to do the double authentication.


Assuming you use the kind of crap email, like
gmail, that requires 2FA. I have email from my
ISP and my own hosted domain. Neither one
needs anything special to log in. And why should
they? I'm not going to send credit card numbers
via email.

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"cal" <vic@smurfing.com> wrote

| I'm losing my old e-mail accounts as they are closed out because my
| old version of XP and Firefox cannot access them.
|
| Any XP users know of accounts which still can be used?

Why not just use real email instead of webmail?
It's safer, with more functionality, and you have local
copies of your email. I use POP3 with TBird. V 52.9
works with XP. Not a lot has changed with email over
the years. You don't need anything fancy.

The woman I live with uses a phone a lot and also
switches between XP and Win10. I set it up for her
so that she's accessing IMAP email on the phone and
Win10. Then XP, her main computer, deletes the
email from the server after downloading. That way she
can see it on all devices but the main reading and storage
happens on XP. So... better privacy, better security, better
backup, more functional email. Webmail is a joke compared
to even the worst email client. HTML was never designed
for that kind of functionality. And it's a security risk. The
kinds of webpages that won't work on XP are not really
webpages. They're javascript software that runs on your
computer.

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In article <1vu9dp8nipeyc$.x29ob0b7zwqk.dlg@40tude.net>, cal <vic@smurfing.com> wrote:

I'm losing my old e-mail accounts as they are closed out because my
old version of XP and Firefox cannot access them.

Any XP users know of accounts which still can be used?

Email client does not have to be IS-specific. I am using Eudora 6.2 with
Gmail to this day. Annoying to deal every other week with certificates change but other than that, all is good. All you need is for your ISP to support POP3.

DK

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You need to tell us which crap you are using for your email. The
main providers such as Google, Microsoft, Yahoo, and AOL are still
here and they have not announced that they are closing down because
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Gmail can still be accessed using Firefox version 37.0.2 and I just
tried it and I see no problems at all. No ads and it uses simple UI
and it is still as fast as possible. You can forward all your emails
to gmail and access them from gmail and you can also use gmail to
reply to your emails using old email account that has been forwarded
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On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 19:01:55 GMT, dk@no.email.thankstospam.net (DK)
wrote:

In article <1vu9dp8nipeyc$.x29ob0b7zwqk.dlg@40tude.net>, cal <vic@smurfing.com> wrote:

I'm losing my old e-mail accounts as they are closed out because my
old version of XP and Firefox cannot access them.

Any XP users know of accounts which still can be used?

Email client does not have to be IS-specific. I am using Eudora 6.2 with >Gmail to this day. Annoying to deal every other week with certificates change >but other than that, all is good. All you need is for your ISP to support POP3.

PS Certificates are the same, they don't change "every other
week" unless you're under a MITM attack, so no "tricks" there(other
than enabling TLS 1.2 in XP).
` I abandoned my Yahoo, Gmail and GMX because I can't login
without giving up personal data, like the number of my non-existent
cellphone.
I like Sylpheed(100% portable), far more modern than Eudora,
but that won't work either. Pegasus is trying to circumvent the
privacy block, not very successfully.
Tell us how you "beat the system" so we can all benefit from
your "hack".
TIA
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On 11/28/2022 1:54 PM, cal wrote:

I'm losing my old e-mail accounts as they are closed out because my
old version of XP and Firefox cannot access them.

Any XP users know of accounts which still can be used?

https://msfn.org/board/topic/183663-yubikey-under-winxp/

does Yubikey working under winxp? Wanted to use it to 2f authentication in Gmail?

Yes, he works. Chrome 49, Mypal 68.

Which Yubikey do you have?

YubiKey 5 NFC (https://www.yubico.com/pl/product/security-key-nfc-by-yubico/)

One problem with researching Yubikey for authentication,
is that as soon as you enter "Yubikey" in Google, you are
swamped with 100% manufacturer web pages and there is zero
chance to get information from actual humans.

This is why I can't really research the practical details of
using one of those in place of SmartPhone 2FA for login to Gmail.

If you get a Yubikey, I would put a USB extension cord on it,
as the connector does not look like it would last for 5000
insertion cycles. That way, connector wear will be on the
extension cable metal shell connector, instead of on the
open faced connector of the Yubikey.

You could also look at getting a USB NFC reader for the PC,
assuming you could get a driver for Windows XP...

Paul

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On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 03:35:31 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
wrote:

On 11/28/2022 1:54 PM, cal wrote:

I'm losing my old e-mail accounts as they are closed out because my
old version of XP and Firefox cannot access them.

Any XP users know of accounts which still can be used?

https://msfn.org/board/topic/183663-yubikey-under-winxp/

does Yubikey working under winxp? Wanted to use it to 2f authentication in Gmail?

Yes, he works. Chrome 49, Mypal 68.

Which Yubikey do you have?

YubiKey 5 NFC (https://www.yubico.com/pl/product/security-key-nfc-by-yubico/)

One problem with researching Yubikey for authentication,
is that as soon as you enter "Yubikey" in Google, you are
swamped with 100% manufacturer web pages and there is zero
chance to get information from actual humans.

This is why I can't really research the practical details of
using one of those in place of SmartPhone 2FA for login to Gmail.

If you get a Yubikey, I would put a USB extension cord on it,
as the connector does not look like it would last for 5000
insertion cycles. That way, connector wear will be on the
extension cable metal shell connector, instead of on the
open faced connector of the Yubikey.

You could also look at getting a USB NFC reader for the PC,
assuming you could get a driver for Windows XP...

With taxes, that Yubikey will come to well over US$ 100 here
in Brazil.
Too expensive. I'd rather spend it on a webmail that doesn't
serve ads or sell your personal data, like Protonmail.
Still, I miss my email clients. I could search, archive and
burn backups to DVDs.
[]'s

Paul

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In article <iducohdhcloufops3obrqht65ajach4sl9@4ax.com>, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:

On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 19:01:55 GMT, dk@no.email.thankstospam.net (DK)
wrote:

Email client does not have to be IS-specific. I am using Eudora 6.2 with >>Gmail to this day. Annoying to deal every other week with certificates change >>but other than that, all is good. All you need is for your ISP to support

POP3.

PS Certificates are the same, they don't change "every other
week" unless you're under a MITM attack, so no "tricks" there(other
than enabling TLS 1.2 in XP).

TLS 1.2 in XP is enabled but there is something about Eudora that gets
confused with the certificates that Google seems to be pumpng out
every other week or so (I have two other accounts that do not have the
same problem, with certificates holding up years. That's a well known
problem for Eudora anf Gmail, with no solution. Have to manually
add a new certificate every other week or so...

` I abandoned my Yahoo, Gmail and GMX because I can't login
without giving up personal data, like the number of my non-existent >cellphone.

I don't have a cell phone either and was very alarmed when Google
announced a requirement for F2A. Was able to set it all up without
a cell phone anyway.

Tell us how you "beat the system" so we can all benefit from
your "hack".

I can't fully recall what I did but I do remember that I have followed the instructions in the couple of posts I am pasting below. Hope it works for you:

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On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 07:34:50 -0700 (PDT), Jutta Uhr
<2007australien@gmail.com> wrote:

Thank you so much everybody participating in this thread.

I could not download my messages since Google started to block the use of third-party apps like Eudora.
So I followed JillB's advice. I'm going to describe what I did, just in case somebody else has the same problem.

The option "App Password" was not visible in my Google Account on the page https://myaccount.google.com/security
I need to turn on 2 factor authentication for the account. This made the option "App Password" appear.

Then I selected "App Password" and generated a special code. I made Eudora forget the old password (Menu-Special-Forget Passwords).
I checked e-mails for the account. Eudora prompted me for the new password. I entered the special code.

Eudora then downloaded the messages.

My Eudora Gmail also quit working this morning. I had been expecting
Eudora to stop working with Gmail since May 30, which is when Google
claimed it would quit working. It also quit working in Agent this
morning.

I followed your steps and now my Eudora is working. Thanks for the
tips.

I was not sure exactly how to enter the new password in Eudora since
the Google web site showed the number in groups of 4. I entered the
numbers without any spaces and that seem to work.

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On Sun, 04 Dec 2022 17:30:55 GMT, dk@no.email.thankstospam.net (DK)
wrote:

In article <iducohdhcloufops3obrqht65ajach4sl9@4ax.com>, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:

On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 19:01:55 GMT, dk@no.email.thankstospam.net (DK)
wrote:

Email client does not have to be IS-specific. I am using Eudora 6.2 with >>>Gmail to this day. Annoying to deal every other week with certificates change
but other than that, all is good. All you need is for your ISP to support

POP3.

PS Certificates are the same, they don't change "every other
week" unless you're under a MITM attack, so no "tricks" there(other
than enabling TLS 1.2 in XP).

TLS 1.2 in XP is enabled but there is something about Eudora that gets >confused with the certificates that Google seems to be pumpng out
every other week or so (I have two other accounts that do not have the
same problem, with certificates holding up years. That's a well known
problem for Eudora anf Gmail, with no solution. Have to manually
add a new certificate every other week or so...

` I abandoned my Yahoo, Gmail and GMX because I can't login
without giving up personal data, like the number of my non-existent >>cellphone.

I don't have a cell phone either and was very alarmed when Google
announced a requirement for F2A. Was able to set it all up without
a cell phone anyway.

Tell us how you "beat the system" so we can all benefit from
your "hack".

I can't fully recall what I did but I do remember that I have followed the >instructions in the couple of posts I am pasting below. Hope it works for you:

*************************************************************************************

On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 07:34:50 -0700 (PDT), Jutta Uhr >><2007australien@gmail.com> wrote:

Thank you so much everybody participating in this thread.

I could not download my messages since Google started to block the use of third-party apps like Eudora.
So I followed JillB's advice. I'm going to describe what I did, just in case somebody else has the same problem.

The option "App Password" was not visible in my Google Account on the page https://myaccount.google.com/security
I need to turn on 2 factor authentication for the account. This made the option "App Password" appear.

I can't turn on 2FA. It gives me an option of either supplying
a cellphone number or completing a very long and personal quiz.
How on Earth can revealing who I voted for or my sexual
inclinations be for my "privacy and security"?
If I had a cellphone, Google's AI would have got that from my
browsing habits and What!Crap! exchanges.
PS There are no privacy laws in Brazil, maybe Google is doing
what Google does when it's not on a leash: Datamines.
[]'s

Then I selected "App Password" and generated a special code. I made Eudora forget the old password (Menu-Special-Forget Passwords).
I checked e-mails for the account. Eudora prompted me for the new password. I entered the special code.

Eudora then downloaded the messages.

My Eudora Gmail also quit working this morning. I had been expecting
Eudora to stop working with Gmail since May 30, which is when Google >>claimed it would quit working. It also quit working in Agent this
morning.

I followed your steps and now my Eudora is working. Thanks for the
tips.

I was not sure exactly how to enter the new password in Eudora since
the Google web site showed the number in groups of 4. I entered the
numbers without any spaces and that seem to work.

--
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We have a new policy - Google 2012
Google Fuchsia - 2021

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