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  • Cellphone files moving to XP

    From Newyana2@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 21 10:21:50 2023
    I just thought I'd post this info, in case it's of use to
    anyone. I was trying to copy PDFs from a computer to
    an Android cellphone. People were helpful and I finally
    managed to work it out on Win10.

    Out of curiosity I decided to try XP, my main machine
    No go. It turns out that XP doesn't properly support MTP
    protocol, required for the job. MS have a driver, which
    downloads as mtppk12.exe, but it doesn't work. It's
    actually an SDK for MTP.

    But it turns out there's a way to install onto XP the
    required resources. In my case I got the drivers for
    MTP, ADB, VCOM (pick oyour acronym) for the MediaTek
    chip in my cellphone, from the maker. That installed
    the ADB driver but MTP failed. The solution?

    Download Windows Media Player 11. I found a copy
    at winworldpc.com. Don't run the installer. Unpack it.
    The download I got was a 7z file with an SFX CAB
    inside. I converted that to CAB and unpacked it.

    Next, run these files, in this order:

    wmfdist11.exe
    wmp11.exe
    umdf.exe

    Now, go to the drivers and run wpdmtp.inf. I also
    needed android_winusb.inf, I think. Finally, Windows
    was able to see the driver properly and now I can
    move files on XP, from Explorer to the cellphone.

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  • From DK@21:1/5 to Newyana2@invalid.nospam on Sun Jan 29 02:56:49 2023
    In article <tqgvul$2l64n$1@dont-email.me>, "Newyana2" <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> wrote:
    I just thought I'd post this info, in case it's of use to
    anyone. I was trying to copy PDFs from a computer to
    an Android cellphone. People were helpful and I finally
    managed to work it out on Win10.

    Out of curiosity I decided to try XP, my main machine
    No go. It turns out that XP doesn't properly support MTP
    protocol, required for the job.

    I've no idea but I have two older phones that have no problem
    doing that:

    1. HPT One. Simply plugging it as USB allows the use it as a flash drive.
    I can see everything on the phone and am able to copy back and forth.

    2. Ancient Samsung (I can't even remember a version). Had to install
    some sort of Samsung USB drivers. After that, it's exactly as #1.

    Did Android move to Apple-like evilness in the past decade?

    DK

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  • From Newyana2@21:1/5 to dk@no.email.thankstospam.net on Sat Jan 28 22:39:45 2023
    "DK" <dk@no.email.thankstospam.net> wrote

    | I've no idea but I have two older phones that have no problem
    | doing that:
    |
    | 1. HPT One. Simply plugging it as USB allows the use it as a flash drive.
    | I can see everything on the phone and am able to copy back and forth.
    |
    | 2. Ancient Samsung (I can't even remember a version). Had to install
    | some sort of Samsung USB drivers. After that, it's exactly as #1.
    |
    | Did Android move to Apple-like evilness in the past decade?
    |

    As I understand it, XP just never supported MTP. But if
    you happen to have Media Player 11 you'd have what's
    needed. I've always kept MP removed in the past, so I
    didn't have it.

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 29 14:10:42 2023
    On 1/28/2023 9:56 PM, DK wrote:
    In article <tqgvul$2l64n$1@dont-email.me>, "Newyana2" <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> wrote:
    I just thought I'd post this info, in case it's of use to
    anyone. I was trying to copy PDFs from a computer to
    an Android cellphone. People were helpful and I finally
    managed to work it out on Win10.

    Out of curiosity I decided to try XP, my main machine
    No go. It turns out that XP doesn't properly support MTP
    protocol, required for the job.

    I've no idea but I have two older phones that have no problem
    doing that:

    1. HPT One. Simply plugging it as USB allows the use it as a flash drive.
    I can see everything on the phone and am able to copy back and forth.

    2. Ancient Samsung (I can't even remember a version). Had to install
    some sort of Samsung USB drivers. After that, it's exactly as #1.

    Did Android move to Apple-like evilness in the past decade?

    DK

    Samsung has provided an MTP driver in the past, and that's probably
    what you were using for (2). The INF may list a bunch of Samsung
    devices. You could download and check and see how "Samsung-specific" the
    file was.

    https://drivers.softpedia.com/get/MOBILES/Samsung/SAMSUNG-Mobile-MTP-Device-Driver-2-12-5-0-for-XP.shtml

    Your (1) case would be USB Mass Storage standard, rather than MTP.
    And the OS has USB Mass Storage in WinXP, already.

    The Windows Media Player is simply another way to get the WinXP MTP driver.
    It would cover cases where the device manufacturer was negligent
    and provided no MTP driver.

    With MTP, the device can access flash at the same time as Windows
    accesses the flash storage.

    With USB Mass Storage, only one processor at a time has access to flash.
    If Windows accesses the HPT in (1), then the device itself cannot
    use the flash at the same time.

    The reason the MTP concept is bad, is the interface standard
    works at a file level, and this results in a lot of cable
    traffic for directory listing and directory updating. This makes
    MTP a particularly inefficient storage standard. Google attempted
    to fix this, by adding a feature to MTP protocol, so that
    there was some mechanism for "fractions of a file". This may have
    been an attempt to make the interface seem more responsive, instead
    of it sullenly sitting there and not telling you what it was doing.
    if you were moving a 30GB file, there would be a granularity issue.

    Paul

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