• California Dems want to help undocumented immigrants buy homes - during

    From useapen@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 27 07:52:26 2024
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    A first-in-the-nation California proposal could make undocumented
    immigrants eligible for up to $150,000 in state-supported home loans just
    as immigration has become an incendiary topic in the presidential
    election.

    The measure is likely to pass the California Legislature this week where Democrats enjoy a supermajority and in a state that has the largest share
    of undocumented immigrants in the country.

    Democratic Gov. Gavin Newsom, a top surrogate for President Joe Biden and
    Vice President Kamala Harris, declined to say whether he would sign the
    measure if it clears the statehouse by the Aug. 31 deadline. He would
    likely make a decision while Republican nominee Donald Trump criticizes
    Harris over the influx in migrants at the U.S.-Mexico border early on in Biden’s tenure and as Harris moves to the right on immigration.

    Harris, in her DNC acceptance speech Thursday said the country can “live
    up to our proud heritage as a nation of immigrants, and reform our broken immigration system.” While the California proposal targets prospective homebuyers and not new migrants, it could nonetheless carry a political
    risk for Harris by providing fodder for Trump as he seizes on anything
    that could link his opponent to the border crisis.


    Harris, in her DNC acceptance speech Thursday said the country can “live
    up to our proud heritage as a nation of immigrants, and reform our broken immigration system.” While the California proposal targets prospective homebuyers and not new migrants, it could nonetheless carry a political
    risk for Harris by providing fodder for Trump as he seizes on anything
    that could link his opponent to the border crisis.

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    Trump campaign spokesperson Karoline Leavitt called the bill
    “fundamentally unfair but typical Democrat policy.” The Harris campaign declined to comment on the proposal.

    In California, Republican lawmakers have also pushed back.

    GOP Assemblymember Joe Patterson, who represents a largely suburban
    district north of Sacramento, said at a committee hearing this summer that
    he “just can’t get behind using our limited dollars for people who are in
    this country undocumented.”

    The bill’s author, Fresno Democrat Joaquin Arambula, countered that the
    bill specifies applicants must meet requirements set by the Federal
    National Mortgage Association, or Fannie Mae, including having a taxpayer identification number or social security number to apply for a loan, which means they’re taxpayers.

    “It isn’t given out willy nilly to just anybody,” Democratic
    Assemblymember Eloise Gómez Reyes said at the June hearing.

    The loan program, called California Dream for All, provides 20 percent in
    down payment assistance, up to $150,000. It is a shared appreciation loan
    in which the only interest the homebuyer pays would be 15 or 20 percent of
    the home’s increase in value upon selling the property, depending on their income level. The program has received state funding but is also run by
    the California Housing Finance Agency, which generates revenue through
    mortgage loans and not from taxpayers.

    Arambula said he doesn’t want to conflate the larger immigration issue
    with his proposal. The bill has no registered opposition, but it may nonetheless be caught up in the political crossfire as the election nears.
    The proposal is a response to an existing federal law that prevents undocumented immigrants from participating in state benefits without a
    state law providing for eligibility.

    “We simply wanted to be as inclusive as possible within our policies so
    that all who are paying taxes here in our state were able to qualify,”
    Arambula told POLITICO. “Without the intentional law that we are
    introducing, we felt that there were complexities and questions that many
    in the immigrant community would have.”

    At the federal level, Harris herself is pushing a Biden administration
    proposal to provide up to $25,000 in down payment assistance to first-
    time, first-generation homeowners, though undocumented immigrants would
    not qualify under federal law.

    Newsom has gone against immigrant advocates before, drawing their ire last
    year when he vetoed a bill prohibiting state prisons from sharing
    information about noncitizens with federal officials. He argued current
    law “strikes the right balance on limiting interaction to support
    community trust and cooperation between law enforcement and local
    communities.” Newsom’s veto followed an ACLU investigation alleging “anti- immigrant behavior” by the state prison system. Assemblymember Wendy
    Carrillo, who carried the bill, said that immigrants were being excluded
    from restorative justice reform policies.

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    The state’s independent housing finance agency has signaled its support
    for Arambula’s bill, reaching out to the lawmaker to request that the
    proposal — which originally only gave undocumented immigrants access to
    Dream for All — be expanded to all programs run by the department. These
    would also include loan programs in which the state works with private
    lenders and prospective homebuyers.

    “I see it as a good sign, and it’s encouraging,” Arambula said.

    The outreach came after state Sen. Anna Caballero, a fellow Fresno
    Democrat, said during a July committee hearing that the state should specifically include undocumented immigrants in other programs because
    “it’s the right thing to do.”

    Chris Saur, a spokesperson for the California Housing Finance Agency,
    declined to comment on the measure but said in a statement that “CalHFA is committed to our mission of helping low- and moderate-income Californians
    find a place to call home.” Saur added that the agency provided loans to
    1,700 first-generation homebuyers in June through Dream For All, which was
    the bill’s narrow focus at first.

    Participants must be first-time homebuyers, and at least one borrower must
    be a first-generation homebuyer. Their income level must be below specific income limits depending on the county, which ranges from between $100,000
    and $300,000.

    Advocates say that without an explicit understanding that they are
    eligible for certain government programs, undocumented immigrants often
    assume they don’t qualify and therefore do not apply. That can have a tremendous impact, considering the high cost of housing in California
    where being able to make a down payment often makes the difference in transitioning from renting to owning a home.

    “There are a lot of folks that have lived in California for many, many
    years,” said Cynthia Gomez, deputy director of state policy and advocacy
    for the Coalition of Humane Immigrant Rights, which is sponsoring the
    bill. “They have deep roots in California and want to see themselves as a homebuyer. We’ve made a lot of progress as a state to make sure that
    that’s a reality for the Californians who want to own a home here, and
    that should also be inclusive of undocumented folks.”

    The Dream For All program launched in 2023 and quickly ran out of funding. Roughly $300 million was exhausted in just 11 days, and more than 2,100 homebuyers secured loans. After concerns from the first round that the
    funding was not being distributed equally, Arambula said that he hopes his proposal will help the program better reflect the diversity of the state.

    “If we could pass a law that allowed us to be more intentional and
    inclusive, we have a greater chance to make sure that resources are being spread to all who can benefit from them,” Arambula said.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2024/08/26/california-undocumented- immigrants-homes-00176253

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  • From Stacy Plasket@21:1/5 to useapen on Tue Aug 27 09:55:50 2024
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    useapen wrote:
    A first-in-the-nation California proposal could make undocumented
    immigrants eligible for up to $150,000 in state-supported home loans just
    as immigration has become an incendiary topic in the presidential
    election.

    The measure is likely to pass the California Legislature this week where Democrats enjoy a supermajority and in a state that has the largest share
    of undocumented immigrants in the country.

    So the California taxpayers don't get to vote on this issue?
    Did the Democrats redefine the meaning of "democracy"?

    What about the retired taxpayer citizens who can no longer afford to
    stay in their homes?

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  • From Radio Gnome@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Tue Aug 27 07:53:13 2024
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    On 8/27/2024 7:45 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Tue, 27 Aug 24 09:55:50 UTC, Stacy Plasket <stacy.plasket@h0use.g0v> wrote:

    useapen wrote:
    A first-in-the-nation California proposal could make undocumented
    immigrants eligible for up to $150,000 in state-supported home loans just >>> as immigration has become an incendiary topic in the presidential
    election.

    The measure is likely to pass the California Legislature this week where >>> Democrats enjoy a supermajority and in a state that has the largest share >>> of undocumented immigrants in the country.

    So the California taxpayers don't get to vote on this issue?
    Did the Democrats redefine the meaning of "democracy"?

    What about the retired taxpayer citizens who can no longer afford to
    stay in their homes?

    The more interesting question is where in hell in California can you find houses
    for only $150k??

    That will be for the down-payment that will further drive up prices on
    houese they can't afford. We have seen this story before. Get ready for
    the bail-outs.

    "Putin was informed about the seizure of the prison in Volgograd. They were obviously in a hurry with the video - he didn't have time to take off his watch.
    Had to improvise."
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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 27 13:06:55 2024
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    On 2024-08-27, Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter> wrote:
    [Default] Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    On Tue, 27 Aug 24 09:55:50 UTC, Stacy Plasket <stacy.plasket@h0use.g0v> wrote:

    useapen wrote:
    A first-in-the-nation California proposal could make undocumented
    immigrants eligible for up to $150,000 in state-supported home loans just >>>> as immigration has become an incendiary topic in the presidential
    election.

    The measure is likely to pass the California Legislature this week where >>>> Democrats enjoy a supermajority and in a state that has the largest share >>>> of undocumented immigrants in the country.

    So the California taxpayers don't get to vote on this issue?
    Did the Democrats redefine the meaning of "democracy"?

    What about the retired taxpayer citizens who can no longer afford to
    stay in their homes?

    The more interesting question is where in hell in California can you find houses
    for only $150k??

    Here is a 4 bedroom beauty for only 99K https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/36354-River-Rd_Barstow_CA_92311_M94357-51740?from=srp-list-card

    A gorgeous 5 bedroom for 140K https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/909-W-Barnard-St-Unit-1_Blythe_CA_92225_M26074-84533?from=srp-list-card

    Stunning 2 bedroom for 92K https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/44832-State-Highway-299-E_McArthur_CA_96056_M25235-61476?from=srp-list-card

    They all look nicer than the hovel snit used to live in before his wife kicked him out.

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  • From Chris Ahlstrom@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Tue Aug 27 20:23:37 2024
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    Governor Swill wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 07:53:13 -0400, Radio Gnome <gong@radiognome.com> wrote:

    That will be for the down-payment that will further drive up prices on >>houese they can't afford. We have seen this story before. Get ready for
    the bail-outs.

    Last time it was done by the Republicans.

    Actually it was Obama pushing the bail-outs. Probably necessary, but inquiring minds might disagree.

    Democrats... fixing Republican fuckups at each change in administration.

    Let's face it, the Republican preference for giving tax breaks to billionaires, shutting down agencies that try to protect the environment, preventing banks and other financial institutions from screwing their customers to boost their profits, suppressing the votes of people of color, supporting atavistic laws that harm and cripple the rights of women...

    These Republican "policies" are hurtful, dangerous. and cruel.

    --
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  • From Skeeter@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 27 19:29:09 2024
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    In article <valqma$365dj$2@dont-email.me>, OFeem1987@teleworm.us says...

    Governor Swill wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 07:53:13 -0400, Radio Gnome <gong@radiognome.com> wrote:

    That will be for the down-payment that will further drive up prices on >>houese they can't afford. We have seen this story before. Get ready for >>the bail-outs.

    Last time it was done by the Republicans.

    Actually it was Obama pushing the bail-outs. Probably necessary, but inquiring
    minds might disagree.

    Democrats... fixing Republican fuckups at each change in administration.

    Let's face it, the Republican preference for giving tax breaks to billionaires,
    shutting down agencies that try to protect the environment, preventing banks and other financial institutions from screwing their customers to boost their profits, suppressing the votes of people of color, supporting atavistic laws that harm and cripple the rights of women...

    These Republican "policies" are hurtful, dangerous. and cruel.

    Oh cry me a river.

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  • From Kimberly Cheatle Roofing@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Wed Aug 28 12:05:45 2024
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    Governor Swill wrote:
    On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 20:23:37 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:

    Governor Swill wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 07:53:13 -0400, Radio Gnome <gong@radiognome.com> wrote:

    That will be for the down-payment that will further drive up prices on >>>> houese they can't afford. We have seen this story before. Get ready for >>>> the bail-outs.

    Last time it was done by the Republicans.

    Actually it was Obama pushing the bail-outs. Probably necessary, but inquiring
    minds might disagree.

    Democrats... fixing Republican fuckups at each change in administration.

    Let's face it, the Republican preference for giving tax breaks to billionaires,
    shutting down agencies that try to protect the environment, preventing banks >> and other financial institutions from screwing their customers to boost their
    profits, suppressing the votes of people of color, supporting atavistic laws >> that harm and cripple the rights of women...

    These Republican "policies" are hurtful, dangerous. and cruel.

    Republicans are expert at destroying the economy. 2008, 1991, 1982, the 1970s,
    1929, 1907 ...

    --
    "Of all the things that I hated about my childhood, nothing
    compared to the revolving door of father figures." -- JD Vance

    #NEVERtrump


    When a fascist corporation run by lefty libtards struggles to survive
    under Bidenomics:

    https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/14/tech/meta-layoffs/index.html

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  • From Christ@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 28 17:06:36 2024
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    With all those illegals voting this promises to be the biggest, best Democrat theft of an election yet.

    And to make it even better, tRUMP will be off to prison too!

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  • From Rightists Are Inferior@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 28 17:11:37 2024
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    When a fascist corporation run by lefty libtards struggles to survive
    under Bidenomics:

    https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/14/tech/meta-layoffs/index.html


    They're all off to work at mypillow and gateway pundit.

    Being a rightist is always a losing proposition. Explains tRUMP's incessant whining and crying all the time.


    https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/25/media/gateway-pundit-bankruptcy-tossed- election-defamation/index.html

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2023/10/06/mypillow-ceo-mike- lindell-says-he-has-no-money-left-to-pay-lawyers-in-election-lawsuits/


    --

    Rightists are inferior

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  • From Ihor Procyk@21:1/5 to pothead on Wed Aug 28 10:58:30 2024
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    On 8/28/2024 10:52 AM, pothead wrote:
    On 2024-08-28, Kimberly Cheatle Roofing <kim@roof-wisperer.guv> wrote:
    Governor Swill wrote:
    On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 20:23:37 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> >>> wrote:

    Governor Swill wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 07:53:13 -0400, Radio Gnome <gong@radiognome.com> wrote:

    That will be for the down-payment that will further drive up prices on >>>>>> houese they can't afford. We have seen this story before. Get ready for >>>>>> the bail-outs.

    Last time it was done by the Republicans.

    Actually it was Obama pushing the bail-outs. Probably necessary, but inquiring
    minds might disagree.

    Democrats... fixing Republican fuckups at each change in administration. >>>>
    Let's face it, the Republican preference for giving tax breaks to billionaires,
    shutting down agencies that try to protect the environment, preventing banks
    and other financial institutions from screwing their customers to boost their
    profits, suppressing the votes of people of color, supporting atavistic laws
    that harm and cripple the rights of women...

    These Republican "policies" are hurtful, dangerous. and cruel.

    Republicans are expert at destroying the economy. 2008, 1991, 1982, the 1970s,
    1929, 1907 ...

    --
    "Of all the things that I hated about my childhood, nothing
    compared to the revolving door of father figures." -- JD Vance

    #NEVERtrump


    When a fascist corporation run by lefty libtards struggles to survive
    under Bidenomics:

    https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/14/tech/meta-layoffs/index.html

    Now California is claiming they don't have enough money to fund the housing assistance for illegal
    immigrants.

    No source = lies

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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to Kimberly Cheatle Roofing on Wed Aug 28 17:52:08 2024
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    On 2024-08-28, Kimberly Cheatle Roofing <kim@roof-wisperer.guv> wrote:
    Governor Swill wrote:
    On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 20:23:37 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> >> wrote:

    Governor Swill wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 07:53:13 -0400, Radio Gnome <gong@radiognome.com> wrote:

    That will be for the down-payment that will further drive up prices on >>>>> houese they can't afford. We have seen this story before. Get ready for >>>>> the bail-outs.

    Last time it was done by the Republicans.

    Actually it was Obama pushing the bail-outs. Probably necessary, but inquiring
    minds might disagree.

    Democrats... fixing Republican fuckups at each change in administration. >>>
    Let's face it, the Republican preference for giving tax breaks to billionaires,
    shutting down agencies that try to protect the environment, preventing banks
    and other financial institutions from screwing their customers to boost their
    profits, suppressing the votes of people of color, supporting atavistic laws
    that harm and cripple the rights of women...

    These Republican "policies" are hurtful, dangerous. and cruel.

    Republicans are expert at destroying the economy. 2008, 1991, 1982, the 1970s,
    1929, 1907 ...

    --
    "Of all the things that I hated about my childhood, nothing
    compared to the revolving door of father figures." -- JD Vance

    #NEVERtrump


    When a fascist corporation run by lefty libtards struggles to survive
    under Bidenomics:

    https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/14/tech/meta-layoffs/index.html

    Now California is claiming they don't have enough money to fund the housing assistance for illegal
    immigrants.

    That's what happens in a socialist society where you run out of people who are footing the bill for
    the ones on the dole.
    They are known as the taxpayers.


    --
    pothead
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    Tampon Tim Walz Is A Radical Left Wing Nutjob
    They Are A Match Made In Heaven

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  • From Vince Foster@21:1/5 to Kimberly Cheatle Roofing on Wed Aug 28 15:00:04 2024
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    Kimberly Cheatle Roofing wrote:
    Governor Swill wrote:
    On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 20:23:37 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom
    <OFeem1987@teleworm.us>
    wrote:

    Governor Swill wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 07:53:13 -0400, Radio Gnome
    <gong@radiognome.com> wrote:

    That will be for the down-payment that will further drive up prices on >>>>> houese they can't afford. We have seen this story before. Get ready
    for
    the bail-outs.

    Last time it was done by the Republicans.

    Actually it was Obama pushing the bail-outs. Probably necessary, but
    inquiring
    minds might disagree.

    Democrats... fixing Republican fuckups at each change in administration. >>>
    Let's face it, the Republican preference for giving tax breaks to
    billionaires,
    shutting down agencies that try to protect the environment,
    preventing banks
    and other financial institutions from screwing their customers to
    boost their
    profits, suppressing the votes of people of color, supporting
    atavistic laws
    that harm and cripple the rights of women...

    These Republican "policies" are hurtful, dangerous. and cruel.

    Republicans are expert at destroying the economy.  2008, 1991, 1982,
    the 1970s,
    1929, 1907 ...

    --
    "Of all the things that I hated about my childhood, nothing
    compared to the revolving door of father figures."  -- JD Vance

    #NEVERtrump


    When a fascist corporation run by lefty libtards struggles to survive
    under Bidenomics:

    https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/14/tech/meta-layoffs/index.html



    Joy!
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/jEBnrzNuUSA

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  • From Chris Ahlstrom@21:1/5 to Vince Foster on Wed Aug 28 17:53:43 2024
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    Vince Foster wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    Joy!

    I thought you were dead, man! :-D

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    You will soon forget this.

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  • From Charlie Glock <"Charlie@21:1/5 to Chris Ahlstrom on Wed Aug 28 23:43:57 2024
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    On 2024-08-28, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
    Vince Foster wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    Joy!

    I thought you were dead, man! :-D

    So did Hillary Clinton.


    --
    Charlie Glock
    "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms"
    - Thomas Jefferson 1776

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  • From Lil dwarf Rudey@21:1/5 to Chris Ahlstrom on Fri Aug 30 08:47:30 2024
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    Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
    it was Obama pushing


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    I might go to some swing state that is very close in the polls, and try
    to become a mole saboteur in the Trump campaign. That sound like fun!

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    ..adding in electoral fraud to your public death threats...


    YOUR DEATH THREATS AGAINST TRUMP ARE WELL-DOCUMENTED:


    Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A Terrell/Al Feldhauser/Malte Runz and a dozen other socks wrote:

    Multiple death threats against Trump: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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    Oh poor me I got shot at ...

    Swill ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


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    Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

    Swill

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    From: J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com>
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    No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
    thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
    is an important step to getting there.

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    That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
    18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the Presidency
    U.S. Code
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    (a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
    or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
    letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
    threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
    the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
    President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
    of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
    knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
    President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
    order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
    shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
    or both.
    (b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
    candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
    respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
    held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
    accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
    phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
    order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
    United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
    (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
    Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L. 97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

    9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
    Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
    Service Protectees
    The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
    supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
    caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
    the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
    U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
    United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
    involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
    settlement involving a § 871 charge.


    https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

    PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
    for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
    Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
    counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
    and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

    The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
    living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
    to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
    November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
    statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
    U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
    crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
    series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

    Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
    Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
    up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
    of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
    five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release.

    A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
    criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
    presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
    guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

    The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
    case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
    handling the prosecution.


    Those can be reported here:

    https://tips.fbi.gov/home

    https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

    https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

    https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


    Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's terrorism here?

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