"-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message news:vd77dh$saht$1@dont-email.me...
On 9/27/24 1:26 PM, Scout wrote:
"Mittens Romney" <robberbaron@invalid.ut> wrote in message
news:vd6lab$po0d$2@dont-email.me...
-hh wrote:
And something to note in it is the very low conviction rate from
arrests; call it roughly just one third (1/3rd).
Well Goddamn Huntzy!
How many weren't convicted because they simply disappeared?
A reasonable question too.
Point is that all of the details in any statistic need to be reviewed,
often with a fine tooth comb, to see if these details are shaping the
picture.
Its part of the basis of "lies, damn lies, and statistics".
Agreed. Often when I see statistics that don't match the 'sniff' test I look for what they aren't telling me, or what they carefully excluded from the study.
Sometimes, it's not even the study itself.. but the person reporting it that is twisting it.
"Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:ao4efjlbukkc5ju68nvjrht49hl7o46i22@4ax.com...
On Fri, 27 Sep 2024 12:25:02 -0500, "Scout"
<me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>news:m9kbfjl6oqvkdnqft69n7oceaievpj7mdb@4ax.com...
chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
Governor Swill wrote:
Jamie McGregor, owner McGregor Metal fabrication in Springfield, >>>>>>Ohio, who has
30 Haitian employees: "I wish I had more. They come to work
every day,
they
don't have drug problems, they stay at their machines and make >>>>>>their quotas.
They come here to work."
George Bush: America is a nation of immigrants. Immigrants have >>>>>>helped
build
the country that we have become. And immigrants can help build a >>>>>>dynamic
tomorrow. Not only do immigrants help build our economy, they >>>>>>invigorate
our
soul.
Ronald Reagan: If we ever close the door to new Americans, our >>>>>>leadership in
the world would soon be lost.
Let us not forget the millions Reagan himself extended amnesty to.
Not "closing the door" doesn't mean letting derelicts stream at >>>>>anything like the pace that we have today, dummy. Letting quality >>>>>people immigrate to here makes sense.
Are we unable to make "quality people" out of the folks joining us?
Well, how do you make quality people from people that start off by
openly violating our laws?
You let them get jobs and work.
So your 'solution' is to encourage them to commit yet MORE crimes?
Tell me.. when exactly do their crimes end?
When exactly does this person who has been breaking our laws from the
moment they illegally crossed the border end?
"Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:ao4efjlbukkc5ju68nvjrht49hl7o46i22@4ax.com...
On Fri, 27 Sep 2024 12:25:02 -0500, "Scout"
<me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:m9kbfjl6oqvkdnqft69n7oceaievpj7mdb@4ax.com...
chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
Governor Swill wrote:
Jamie McGregor, owner McGregor Metal fabrication in Springfield, Ohio, >>>>>> who has
30 Haitian employees: "I wish I had more. They come to work every day,
they
don't have drug problems, they stay at their machines and make their >>>>>> quotas.
They come here to work."
George Bush: America is a nation of immigrants. Immigrants have helped
build
the country that we have become. And immigrants can help build a dynamic
tomorrow. Not only do immigrants help build our economy, they invigorate
our
soul.
Ronald Reagan: If we ever close the door to new Americans, our
leadership in
the world would soon be lost.
Let us not forget the millions Reagan himself extended amnesty to.
Not "closing the door" doesn't mean letting derelicts stream at
anything like the pace that we have today, dummy. Letting quality
people immigrate to here makes sense.
Are we unable to make "quality people" out of the folks joining us?
Well, how do you make quality people from people that start off by openly >>> violating our laws?
You let them get jobs and work.
So your 'solution' is to encourage them to commit yet MORE crimes?
On 9/30/2024 8:42 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, lied:
"Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ao4efjlbukkc5ju68nvjrht49hl7o46i22@4ax.com...
On Fri, 27 Sep 2024 12:25:02 -0500, "Scout"
<me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:m9kbfjl6oqvkdnqft69n7oceaievpj7mdb@4ax.com...
chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
Governor Swill wrote:
Jamie McGregor, owner McGregor Metal fabrication in Springfield, >>>>>>> Ohio,Not "closing the door" doesn't mean letting derelicts stream at
who has
30 Haitian employees: "I wish I had more. They come to work every >>>>>>> day,
they
don't have drug problems, they stay at their machines and make their >>>>>>> quotas.
They come here to work."
George Bush: America is a nation of immigrants. Immigrants have >>>>>>> helped
build
the country that we have become. And immigrants can help build a >>>>>>> dynamic
tomorrow. Not only do immigrants help build our economy, they
invigorate
our
soul.
Ronald Reagan: If we ever close the door to new Americans, our
leadership in
the world would soon be lost.
Let us not forget the millions Reagan himself extended amnesty to. >>>>>>
anything like the pace that we have today, dummy. Letting quality >>>>>> people immigrate to here makes sense.
Are we unable to make "quality people" out of the folks joining us?
Well, how do you make quality people from people that start off by
openly
violating our laws?
You let them get jobs and work.
So your 'solution' is to encourage them to commit yet MORE crimes?
Immigrants are more law-abiding than native-born citizens, scooter,
and among immigrants, the undocumented are more law-abiding than the documented.
"Klaus Schadenfreude" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message news:mXBKO.23477$KDwf.15154@fx01.iad...
On 9/30/2024 8:42 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless
chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, lied:
"Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ao4efjlbukkc5ju68nvjrht49hl7o46i22@4ax.com...
On Fri, 27 Sep 2024 12:25:02 -0500, "Scout"
<me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:m9kbfjl6oqvkdnqft69n7oceaievpj7mdb@4ax.com...
chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:Well, how do you make quality people from people that start off by openly >>>>> violating our laws?
Governor Swill wrote:
Jamie McGregor, owner McGregor Metal fabrication in Springfield, Ohio, >>>>>>>> who hasNot "closing the door" doesn't mean letting derelicts stream at
30 Haitian employees: "I wish I had more. They come to work every day,
they
don't have drug problems, they stay at their machines and make their >>>>>>>> quotas.
They come here to work."
George Bush: America is a nation of immigrants. Immigrants have helped
build
the country that we have become. And immigrants can help build a dynamic
tomorrow. Not only do immigrants help build our economy, they invigorate
our
soul.
Ronald Reagan: If we ever close the door to new Americans, our >>>>>>>> leadership in
the world would soon be lost.
Let us not forget the millions Reagan himself extended amnesty to. >>>>>>>
anything like the pace that we have today, dummy. Letting quality >>>>>>> people immigrate to here makes sense.
Are we unable to make "quality people" out of the folks joining us? >>>>>
You let them get jobs and work.
So your 'solution' is to encourage them to commit yet MORE crimes?
Immigrants are more law-abiding than native-born citizens, scooter,
They can't legally get a job or work.. So how is the MORE law abiding when you
tell us they are doing it?
and among immigrants, the undocumented are more law-abiding than the documented.
No, actually they aren't,
because being undocumented is a CRIME
On 10/1/2024 8:33 AM, Scout, who scares the shit out of me, typed:
The kind of crime you and the other Republiscum/QAnon are talking about,
On 10/1/2024 8:33 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, lied:
"Klaus Schadenfreude" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
news:mXBKO.23477$KDwf.15154@fx01.iad...
On 9/30/2024 8:42 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless
chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, lied:
"Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ao4efjlbukkc5ju68nvjrht49hl7o46i22@4ax.com...
On Fri, 27 Sep 2024 12:25:02 -0500, "Scout"
<me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:m9kbfjl6oqvkdnqft69n7oceaievpj7mdb@4ax.com...
chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:Well, how do you make quality people from people that start off by >>>>>> openly
Governor Swill wrote:
Jamie McGregor, owner McGregor Metal fabrication in Springfield, >>>>>>>>> Ohio,Not "closing the door" doesn't mean letting derelicts stream at >>>>>>>> anything like the pace that we have today, dummy. Letting quality >>>>>>>> people immigrate to here makes sense.
who has
30 Haitian employees: "I wish I had more. They come to work >>>>>>>>> every day,
they
don't have drug problems, they stay at their machines and make >>>>>>>>> their
quotas.
They come here to work."
George Bush: America is a nation of immigrants. Immigrants have >>>>>>>>> helped
build
the country that we have become. And immigrants can help build a >>>>>>>>> dynamic
tomorrow. Not only do immigrants help build our economy, they >>>>>>>>> invigorate
our
soul.
Ronald Reagan: If we ever close the door to new Americans, our >>>>>>>>> leadership in
the world would soon be lost.
Let us not forget the millions Reagan himself extended amnesty to. >>>>>>>>
Are we unable to make "quality people" out of the folks joining us? >>>>>>
violating our laws?
You let them get jobs and work.
So your 'solution' is to encourage them to commit yet MORE crimes?
Immigrants are more law-abiding than native-born citizens, scooter,
They can't legally get a job or work.. So how is the MORE law abiding
when you tell us they are doing it?
The kind of crime you and the other Republiscum/QAnon are talking about, scooter, is violent crime, not trivial immigration law crime.
and among immigrants, the undocumented are more law-abiding than the
documented.
No, actually they aren't,
Yes, scooter, "actually" they are.
because being undocumented is a CRIME
No, scooter, it is not.
That is purely a *civil* matter.
As I have instructed you many times, scooter,
the vast majority of "undocumented" persons are visa overstays, *not*
people who entered unlawfully.
Illegal entry is a (minor) crime, scooter,
but unlawful presence is *not* a crime.
If someone enters lawfully on a visa and then stays beyond the visa expiration date, upon being detected by ICE, that person faces *no*
criminal consequences, scooter.
You're just wrong, scooter, and you compound your wrongness by your
intensely stupid stubbornness. Unlawful presence is not a crime, scooter.
-hh wrote:
the history of the USA is that we went basically 200 years without
securing all of our borders against immigrants.
Nope.
You lied again Huntzy-traitor.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/sweden-offers-to-pay-migrants-from-third-world-countries-34000-to-self-deport/ar-AA1qHxZc
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/raging-controversy-border-began-100-years-ago-180969343/
The Raging Controversy at the Border Began With This Incident 100 Years Ago In Nogales, Arizona, the United States and Mexico agreed to build walls separating their countries
In early August 1918, Felix B. Peñaloza, the presidente municipal, or
mayor, of Nogales, Mexico, ordered construction of a fence running along
the boundary line between his city and Nogales, Arizona. The fence would consist of six wires strung to a height of six feet. His intent was to
direct the flow of people crossing the border through two gateways, to
make it easier for a growing number of soldiers, customs agents and
other officials to oversee transborder movement. Peñaloza also met with
U.S. representatives to discuss a second, parallel fence, to be built by
the Americans. Mexican officials said they “would welcome the building
of such a fence by the United States Government, as it would aid
officials on both sides of the line in enforcing their regulations,” and they insisted that “such action would not be irritating or offensive to Mexican sentiment.”
Today a ten-mile-long rusted steel border wall is a defining feature of
the cities. Its origin story begins with these two fences. When they
were first erected in Nogales a century ago, they were neither a brazen political statement nor a barrier to immigrants, but a cooperative
measure, embraced by both the United States and Mexico in the spirit of “good fences make good neighbors.” But the proposed American fence
became what was most likely the first permanent barrier to control the movement of people across the U.S.-Mexico border.
But on August 27, 1918, soon after Mexican workers had erected the fence
in Nogales, conflict broke out when an unidentified man attempted to
cross into Mexico. A U.S. customs inspector ordered him to halt, but he
did not stop. Officers on both sides of the border raised their guns,
and a firefight broke out. About two hours later, at least 12 Mexicans
and Americans had been killed, including Peñaloza, who had built the
fence precisely to minimize the risk of conflict between the nations.
Ironically, despite his failure, U.S. officials in Nogales, Arizona,
soon went ahead with plans for their own fence—which quickly became a
model for controlling the movement of people across the U.S.-Mexico
border. Following Nogales’ lead, officials in Calexico, California,
erected a fence that ran two miles along the boundary line there. By the 1920s, fences were a fixture in most border towns.
Over time, the fences were put to a new use. In the 1940s, the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service coordinated with the
International Boundary and Water Commission to erect chain-link barriers
on the border. More fences, a border patrolman later acknowledged,
forced unauthorized migrants through dangerous mountains, deserts and
rivers “around the ends of the fence.” The U.S. expansion of the fencing in the 1990s doubled-down on this strategy, leading to a dramatic
increase in the number of migrants who died attempting the treacherous crossing. Thus the fences and other barriers that stand along much of
the U.S.-Mexico border now mark not only an international boundary but
also a humanitarian crisis.
On 2024-09-27, Mittens Romney <robberbaron@invalid.ut> wrote:
-hh wrote:
the history of the USA is that we went basically 200 years without
securing all of our borders against immigrants.
Nope.
You lied again Huntzy-traitor.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/sweden-offers-to-pay-migrants-from-third-world-countries-34000-to-self-deport/ar-AA1qHxZc
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/raging-controversy-border-began-100-years-ago-180969343/
The Raging Controversy at the Border Began With This Incident 100 Years Ago >> In Nogales, Arizona, the United States and Mexico agreed to build walls
separating their countries
In early August 1918, Felix B. Peñaloza, the presidente municipal, or
mayor, of Nogales, Mexico, ordered construction of a fence running along
the boundary line between his city and Nogales, Arizona. The fence would
consist of six wires strung to a height of six feet. His intent was to
direct the flow of people crossing the border through two gateways, to
make it easier for a growing number of soldiers, customs agents and
other officials to oversee transborder movement. Peñaloza also met with
U.S. representatives to discuss a second, parallel fence, to be built by
the Americans. Mexican officials said they “would welcome the building
of such a fence by the United States Government, as it would aid
officials on both sides of the line in enforcing their regulations,” and >> they insisted that “such action would not be irritating or offensive to
Mexican sentiment.”
Today a ten-mile-long rusted steel border wall is a defining feature of
the cities. Its origin story begins with these two fences. When they
were first erected in Nogales a century ago, they were neither a brazen
political statement nor a barrier to immigrants, but a cooperative
measure, embraced by both the United States and Mexico in the spirit of
“good fences make good neighbors.” But the proposed American fence
became what was most likely the first permanent barrier to control the
movement of people across the U.S.-Mexico border.
But on August 27, 1918, soon after Mexican workers had erected the fence
in Nogales, conflict broke out when an unidentified man attempted to
cross into Mexico. A U.S. customs inspector ordered him to halt, but he
did not stop. Officers on both sides of the border raised their guns,
and a firefight broke out. About two hours later, at least 12 Mexicans
and Americans had been killed, including Peñaloza, who had built the
fence precisely to minimize the risk of conflict between the nations.
Ironically, despite his failure, U.S. officials in Nogales, Arizona,
soon went ahead with plans for their own fence—which quickly became a
model for controlling the movement of people across the U.S.-Mexico
border. Following Nogales’ lead, officials in Calexico, California,
erected a fence that ran two miles along the boundary line there. By the
1920s, fences were a fixture in most border towns.
Over time, the fences were put to a new use. In the 1940s, the U.S.
Immigration and Naturalization Service coordinated with the
International Boundary and Water Commission to erect chain-link barriers
on the border. More fences, a border patrolman later acknowledged,
forced unauthorized migrants through dangerous mountains, deserts and
rivers “around the ends of the fence.” The U.S. expansion of the fencing >> in the 1990s doubled-down on this strategy, leading to a dramatic
increase in the number of migrants who died attempting the treacherous
crossing. Thus the fences and other barriers that stand along much of
the U.S.-Mexico border now mark not only an international boundary but
also a humanitarian crisis.
You are correct.
Even back in the late 1800's - 1900's when Ellis Island was a main port of entry checks limited by the technology at the time were performed. Cough, have a fever etc and you were at best quarantined at worst sent back on the next ship.
Also something most people are not aware of but the passengers were actually vetted prior to their journey and this was logged in the ship's manifesto.
Basic information of course, criminals, known bad actors and so forth.
Again this was limited by the technology at the time but it was the best they could do.
Compare this to the current situation due to Biden/Harris.
I want asylum.
Ok, you are in.
While the US citizens were wearing face diapers during COVID these people had no such official restrictions.
Think about that.
My grandma came over from Western Europe with my mom in tow as a new born. Her husband had passed away.
She had like $10.00 to her name, did not speak English at all and had no skills.
But she was hard working and honest and smart.
She taught herself how to read and speak English by looking at the comic strips in the papers and connecting what the characters were doing to what they were saying.
She started off scrubbing floors as a housekeeper for a very, very well known multi-billionaire.
After some time she was put in charge of his entire staff of housekeepers, butlers, personal assistants and so forth because she was honest and hard working.
When she finally retired, the family left my grandma a good number of shares in their Fortune 100 company so she ultimately ended up quite wealthy.
When she passed in the 1980's, the family paid for her funeral.
There is a lot more but that demonstrates a true example of the "American Dream".
Compare this to many of those illegal migrants crossing the border, getting cellphones, free medical care, free housing,free education and so forth while our veterans are suffering.
It's disgusting.
Well, how do you make quality people from people that start off by
openly violating our laws?
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