• Misleading:: Another report cites "low cost" of wind and solar power

    From John Smyth@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 10 11:17:04 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics.republicans, alt.computer.workshop

    'Misleading: Another report cites 'low cost' of wind and solar power
    'The inherent intermittency of wind and solar reduces the physical and
    economic value of their capacity relative to traditional generating
    resources''

    <https://www.wnd.com/2025/08/misleading-another-report-cites-low-cost-wind-solar/>

    'n a just-released report, the International Renewable Energy Agency
    (IRENA) claims that renewable energy is the most cost-competitive source
    of new electricity generation worldwide, The report further claims that
    "91% of new renewable power projects commissioned last year were more cost-effective than any new fossil fuel alternative" based on levelized
    costs, which can be thought of as the energy equivalent of a fixed
    mortgage.

    If those claims sound too good to be true, it's because they are.
    IRENA's boasts ignore a fundamental reality: the intermittent
    electricity generated from wind and solar is fundamentally different
    than electricity generated by traditional generating resources that are
    not subject to the whims of the weather.

    In the U.S., the Energy Information Administration (EIA) makes the same mistake. The EIA claims that wind and solar will account for the lion's
    share of new generating capacity for the next decade and will provide electricity at a lower levelized cost than any traditional resource,
    including new natural gas generators.

    But the episodic nature of wind and solar power has critical impacts on
    both supply adequacy and cost, which, while recognized by some, are
    nonetheless not incorporated into how bottom-line data. Traditional
    coal, natural gas, nuclear, and hydroelectric generating plants can be scheduled to run when needed. Some of them, especially nuclear and most
    coal plants, are designed to operate continuously and are referred to as "baseload" facilities. Others, especially natural gas plants, can
    quickly be turned on or off ("dispatched") to match changes in demand. Collectively, traditional generation can be both scheduled and
    dynamically managed, enabling the operators of electric grids to
    reliably meet demand at the lowest cost.

    The inherent intermittency of wind and solar reduces the physical and
    economic value of their capacity relative to traditional generating
    resources, as sufficient reserves or storage must be maintained to meet
    demand when they are unavailable. Merely reporting total wind and solar capacity misleads because it does not account for the adequacy of the electrical energy generated to meet demand and the actual costs to do
    so.

    Here's an analogy. Imagine that a city and its citizens are offered two
    types of buses for commuting. One is with new buses and free fares.
    However, these run only one-third of the time, are often unpredictable,
    and are less likely to show up on bad-weather days. If you wait for one
    of these new free buses but it fails to show up, you must suffer the inconvenience of having to take a relatively expensive Uber ride, which
    can cost even more on busy or bad-weather days. Meanwhile, the other
    option is to pay a modest fare (say, one-tenth of an Uber ride) on a conventional bus—but one that's reliable, regardless of weather. Over a
    year of commuting, the total costs for the "free" bus service are likely
    to be much higher and the value much lower than commuting on the
    conventional bus service.

    In the context of electric grids, Uber rides represent the cost of
    either backup generating capacity or battery storage to compensate for
    wind and solar unavailability. Adding to these costs is the fact that,
    when electricity demand is greatest—typically, during the early morning
    and early evening hours—little, if any, solar power will be available. Similarly, meteorological records show that on the hottest and coldest
    days, there is often little wind. There can also be multiday periods,
    often lasting days and even a week, when there is little or no wind (a
    wind drought) and multiple cloudy days when little solar power is
    generated. Thus, wind and solar are often most available when the
    electricity they generate has the least value.

    Fundamentally, cost and value are not the same thing. Comparing
    levelized costs, such as fixed mortgage payments for different homes,
    provides little insight into actual value. For example, a monthly
    mortgage payment of $2,000 for one house, versus one of, say, $2,500 for another, provides no information about either house's value in terms of
    size, location, condition, and so forth. Similarly, the levelized cost
    doesn't reveal power plant attributes, especially intermittency. The
    lowest levelized cost resources may not be the highest-value ones, or
    even the cheapest ones, when operated over time in the real world.

    For electricity planners and regulators to identify the highest true
    value, they must compare costs and operational benefits. Just like the
    commuter bus that doesn't arrive on a rainy morning, intermittent
    capacity that is unavailable when it is most needed has far lower
    economic value.

    Promoting misleading claims about wind and solar power distorts
    policymaking and will only exacerbate the growing inadequacy of electric supplies to meet increased demand in the wake of continued
    electrification efforts. It will lead to more frequent electricity
    rationing, as the Netherlands has recently imposed.

    That may appeal to hairshirt environmentalists, but it won't appeal to
    the broader populace, who are likely to express their displeasure at the
    ballot box'

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  • From Kevin D. Roberts, President of The@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 11 00:48:20 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.atheism, alt.global-warming
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    Forget burning oil and coal, we need to kill more obese white trash
    rightists and burn their corpses for energy. When abortion is finally
    banned there'll be an endless supply of them and it will be considered 'renewable'.

    Hitler made this discovery so rightists need not complain about one of
    their own ideas.

    Trapping and burning obese rightists for energy is still far superior and
    even renewable as a resource.

    We all know that the tornadoes floods heatwaves and hurricanes are not
    because of global warming but God's revenge on red state shitholes for
    using his name in vain and supporting the Devil.

    Burning deceased Conservatives will produce electricity

    In Durham, England, corpses will soon be used to generate electricity. A crematorium is installing turbines in its burners that will convert waste
    heat from the combustion of each corpse into as much as 150 kilowatt-hours
    of juice — enough to power 1,500 televisions for an hour. The facility
    plans to sell the electricity to local power companies.


    In Durham, England, corpses will soon be used to generate electricity.

    A crematorium is installing turbines in its burners that will convert waste heat from the combustion of each corpse into as much as 150 kilowatt-hours
    of juice — enough to power 1,500 televisions for an hour. The facility
    plans to sell the electricity to local power companies.

    Some might find this concept creepy. Others might be pleased to learn that
    the process "makes cremation much greener by utilizing its by-products," in
    the words of cremation engineer Steve Looker, owner and chief executive
    officer of the Florida-based company B&L Cremation Systems, which is unaffiliated with the Durham enterprise.

    In Europe, tightening regulations on crematorium emissions, coupled with
    the high price of energy, will lead more and more facilities to go the way
    of Durham in the future, Looker said. Will crematories in the United States follow suit?

    According to Looker, whose company is currently testing different methods
    of utilizing cremation waste heat, the expensive turbine systems being installed in Durham are not yet economically viable for crematories here.
    "In the U.S., most crematories don't have enough throughput," he told
    Life's Little Mysteries. "Cremation in some parts of Europe is over 90
    percent, but it is not over 50 percent yet here." That is, less than half
    of Americans opt for cremation. Most are buried.


    Consequently, while burners in Europe typically run 24 hours day, ones in America operate only eight hours each day, Looker said. "A typical turbine system would cost somewhere between $250,000 to $500,000. If it's running
    24 hours a day, that's a five-year payback. If it's running eight hours a
    day, that's a 15- or 20-year payback, which isn't feasible," he said.

    However, Looker is hopeful that the situation could change in the near
    future. "Over the next 10 years, with the baby boomers coming through, cremation is going to reach 75 to 80 percent. Then, this might be
    feasible."

    Furthermore, a turbine designed by a company called Thermal Dynamic Engineering, which produces just 50 kilowatt-hours of energy but is much
    less expensive to install than the Durham system, will be available in the
    near future, Looker said.

    Thus, it may indeed come to pass that deceased baby boomers will someday
    help power your household appliances.

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