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Yahoo Finance Live examines Apple shares amid concerns emerging around
delays in the iPhone 14's production from Chinese manufacturers.

Comments:

Johnny
1 hour ago

Stock is same price it was almost 2.5 years ago. Gone are the days of
easy money.

<https://finance.yahoo.com/video/apple-stock-falls-fourth-consecutive- 204838284.html>

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On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 2:52:51 PM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:

Yahoo Finance Live examines Apple shares amid concerns emerging around
delays in the iPhone 14's production from Chinese manufacturers.

Comments:

Johnny
1 hour ago

Stock is same price it was almost 2.5 years ago. Gone are the days of
easy money.

<https://finance.yahoo.com/video/apple-stock-falls-fourth-consecutive- 204838284.html>

Just end of year selling of losers for taxes. Expect the next two sessions to be down, too. Easy money if you are betting on losses.

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On 2022-12-28, Bruce <bruce@we.com> wrote:

Stock is same price it was almost 2.5 years ago.

So is the S&P 500 and Dow Jones. The NASDAQ is even worse. But that's
not stopping dip shit trolls from trying to make this about Apple. ; )

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In article <k147frFpbttU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

Stock is same price it was almost 2.5 years ago.

So is the S&P 500 and Dow Jones. The NASDAQ is even worse. But that's
not stopping dip shit trolls from trying to make this about Apple. ; )

tesla and facebook/meta shareholders say hello.

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On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 2:52:51 PM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:

Yahoo Finance Live examines Apple shares amid concerns emerging around delays in the iPhone 14's production from Chinese manufacturers.

Comments:

Johnny
1 hour ago

Stock is same price it was almost 2.5 years ago. Gone are the days of
easy money.

<https://finance.yahoo.com/video/apple-stock-falls-fourth-consecutive- 204838284.html>

i never owned any Apple products and still alive!
Thank you!
😎

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On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 2:55:29 AM UTC-8, Scream wrote:

On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 2:52:51 PM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:

Yahoo Finance Live examines Apple shares amid concerns emerging around delays in the iPhone 14's production from Chinese manufacturers.

Comments:

Johnny
1 hour ago

Stock is same price it was almost 2.5 years ago. Gone are the days of
easy money.

<https://finance.yahoo.com/video/apple-stock-falls-fourth-consecutive- 204838284.html>

i never owned any Apple products and still alive!
Thank you!
😎

Oh come on over to Apple... You know you want to!.
-HaHa-

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In article <tokmiu$cbvo$5@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

It's not just iPhone 14 production issues,

true. it's also mac production issues, delays on various products as
well as the overall economy.

it's that so many iPhone
owners are delaying replacing their phones waiting for the iPhone 15
with USB-C.

no they are very definitely not waiting.

sales numbers clearly show that the 14 family is seeing incredibly high
demand, in what can easily be considered to be what you are claiming as
a super-cycle.

On Xmas I was teasing my niece about her ancient iPhone X
and she said that she was waiting for the iPhone 15 Pro because of USB-C
and the expected smaller notch and better cameras.

bullshit.

the notch became smaller *last* year and very few people care about
usb-c, especially when they will have to deal with adapters. just ask
ipad users how that's working out. ipads sell in far lower quantities,
so the effect with iphone users will be much higher.

She's no tech expert

clearly neither are you.

but she realized that it was worth waiting a year for the next
super-cycle.

the *current* cycle can be considered a super-cycle, not that it
matters.

The question is whether or not the share price has already
built in the anticipated super-cycle.

no, that's not the question.

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On 12/28/2022 2:52 PM, Bruce wrote:

Yahoo Finance Live examines Apple shares amid concerns emerging around
delays in the iPhone 14's production from Chinese manufacturers.

Comments:

Johnny
1 hour ago

Stock is same price it was almost 2.5 years ago. Gone are the days of
easy money.

For many companies, excessively high P/E ratios are no longer
sustainable. Look at Tesla, whose P/E ratio has gone from 190 to 31 in
one year, and is still at least 3x what it should be. Apple's P/E is not excessive at this point, it's a little less than Microsoft's and higher
than Google's.

It's not just iPhone 14 production issues, it's that so many iPhone
owners are delaying replacing their phones waiting for the iPhone 15
with USB-C. On Xmas I was teasing my niece about her ancient iPhone X
and she said that she was waiting for the iPhone 15 Pro because of USB-C
and the expected smaller notch and better cameras. She's no tech expert
but she realized that it was worth waiting a year for the next
super-cycle. The question is whether or not the share price has already
built in the anticipated super-cycle.

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On 2022-12-29, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

In article <tokmiu$cbvo$5@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

It's not just iPhone 14 production issues,

true. it's also mac production issues, delays on various products as
well as the overall economy.

it's that so many iPhone owners are delaying replacing their phones
waiting for the iPhone 15 with USB-C.

no they are very definitely not waiting.

sales numbers clearly show that the 14 family is seeing incredibly
high demand, in what can easily be considered to be what you are
claiming as a super-cycle.

Yep.

November 10:

iPhone 14 production hit badly enough to reverse revenue growth, warns Foxconn <https://9to5mac.com/2022/11/10/iphone-production-2/>
---
The COVID-19 disruption to iPhone 14 production at Foxconn’s primary
assembly plant was bad enough for Apple to issue a warning about limited availability, and Foxconn has now issued a warning about the impact on
its own prospects for the current quarter.

Foxconn says that revenue from consumer electronics assembly will fall
in the all-important holiday quarter, which is usually a busy one for
the company
---

November 30:

iPhone 14 Series Sales are Booming - Apple Beats Samsung Again <https://www.gizchina.com/2022/11/30/iphone-14-series-sales-are-booming-apple-beats-samsung-again/>
---
Counterpoint also points out that Apple is the only major mobile phone
vendor to achieve month-on-month sales growth in October. Especially in
China, it has achieved the highest market share of 25%, thereby
surpassing Samsung Electronics to take the No. 1 throne in the global
mobile phone market. Apple’s iPhone 14 series sales hit 26.09 million
units two months after its release. This figure is s

On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 8:17:50 AM UTC-8, ramp...@gmail.com wrote:

On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 2:55:29 AM UTC-8, Scream wrote:

On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 2:52:51 PM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:

Yahoo Finance Live examines Apple shares amid concerns emerging around delays in the iPhone 14's production from Chinese manufacturers.

Comments:

Johnny
1 hour ago

Stock is same price it was almost 2.5 years ago. Gone are the days of easy money.

<https://finance.yahoo.com/video/apple-stock-falls-fourth-consecutive- 204838284.html>

i never owned any Apple products and still alive!
Thank you!
😎

Oh come on over to Apple... You know you want to!.
-HaHa-

Nothing in Apple products that I want, need or other less expensive product wouldn't offer it!
Apple products are made for snobs, like Rolex watches!
Snobs wear fake Rolex watches, made in China, to show they may have money or for status symbol!
Far as functionality, a $25 digital watch can outperform any Rolex!

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On Fri, 30 Dec 2022 05:34:04 +1100, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

On 12/28/2022 2:52 PM, Bruce wrote:

Yahoo Finance Live examines Apple shares amid concerns emerging around
delays in the iPhone 14's production from Chinese manufacturers.
Comments:
Johnny
1 hour ago
Stock is same price it was almost 2.5 years ago. Gone are the days of
easy money.

For many companies, excessively high P/E ratios are no longer
sustainable.

Look at Tesla, whose P/E ratio has gone from 190 to 31 in one year, and
is still at least 3x what it should be.

That's due to a different problem, Musk's stupidity with Twitter.

Apple's P/E is not excessive at this point, it's a little less than Microsoft's and higher than Google's.

It's not just iPhone 14 production issues, it's that so many iPhone
owners are delaying replacing their phones waiting for the iPhone 15
with USB-C.

I don't buy that many are doing that.

On Xmas I was teasing my niece about her ancient iPhone X and she said
that she was waiting for the iPhone 15 Pro because of USB-C and the
expected smaller notch and better cameras. She's no tech expert but she realized that it was worth waiting a year for the next super-cycle.

Not convinced that many are waiting for USB-C.

The question is whether or not the share price has already built in the anticipated super-cycle.

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On 12/29/2022 4:10 PM, chop wrote:

On Fri, 30 Dec 2022 05:34:04 +1100, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

On 12/28/2022 2:52 PM, Bruce wrote:

Yahoo Finance Live examines Apple shares amid concerns emerging around
delays in the iPhone 14's production from Chinese manufacturers.
 Comments:
 Johnny
1 hour ago
 Stock is same price it was almost 2.5 years ago.  Gone are the days of >>> easy money.

For many companies, excessively high P/E ratios are no longer
sustainable.

Look at Tesla, whose P/E ratio has gone from 190 to 31 in one year,
and is still at least 3x what it should be.

That's due to a different problem, Musk's stupidity with Twitter.

No doubt that that has had some impact on Tesla's share price, but the
reality is that the market cap of Tesla was insanely high for no
compelling reason.

Apple's P/E is not excessive at this point, it's a little less than
Microsoft's and higher than Google's.

It's not just iPhone 14 production issues, it's that so many iPhone
owners are delaying replacing their phones waiting for the iPhone 15
with USB-C.

I don't buy that many are doing that.

Analysts disagree. Part of the reason for the slow iPhone 14 sales is
that users are delaying upgrades.

On Xmas I was teasing my niece about her ancient iPhone X and she said
that she was waiting for the iPhone 15 Pro because of USB-C and the
expected smaller notch and better cameras. She's no tech expert but
she realized that it was worth waiting a year for the next super-cycle.

Not convinced that many are waiting for USB-C.

You may not be convinced, but the experts that analyze sales trends have
stated that one of the reasons for iPhone 14 sales is that users are
waiting for the iPhone 15.

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In article <tolb7m$eq7k$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

Look at Tesla, whose P/E ratio has gone from 190 to 31 in one year,
and is still at least 3x what it should be.

That's due to a different problem, Musk's stupidity with Twitter.

No doubt that that has had some impact on Tesla's share price, but the reality is that the market cap of Tesla was insanely high for no
compelling reason.

it has a lot to do with it, for several reasons.

elon sold significant amounts of tesla stock to fund his overpayment
for twitter, plus mismanagement of twitter has eroded his brand and
pissed off a lot of people, causing some of them to sell their cars and
also adversely impacting future tesla sales. his vehicles are not that
reliable and parts are sometimes difficult to obtain, plus other car
makers have very compelling offerings, without any of the drama.

Apple's P/E is not excessive at this point, it's a little less than
Microsoft's and higher than Google's.

It's not just iPhone 14 production issues, it's that so many iPhone
owners are delaying replacing their phones waiting for the iPhone 15
with USB-C.

I don't buy that many are doing that.

Analysts disagree.

logical fallacy, and wrong.

Part of the reason for the slow iPhone 14 sales is
that users are delaying upgrades.

iphone 14 sales are anything but slow. that's just more of your usual fabricated unsubstantiated bullshit.

in another post, jr posted several links refuting your bogus claim.

the reality is that iphone 14 demand is incredibly high, even in china.

<https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/09/13/high-demand-for-iphone-14-pr o-line-crashed-chinese-servers>
High demand for the iPhone 14 Pro and iPhone 14 Pro Max led to
Apple server crashes in China as consumers placed over two million
preorders in 24 hours.

You may not be convinced, but the experts that analyze sales trends have stated that one of the reasons for iPhone 14 sales is that users are
waiting for the iPhone 15.

nobody with any credibility has said that. only you.

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On Fri, 30 Dec 2022 11:26:27 +1100, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

On 12/29/2022 4:10 PM, chop wrote:

On Fri, 30 Dec 2022 05:34:04 +1100, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote:

On 12/28/2022 2:52 PM, Bruce wrote:

Yahoo Finance Live examines Apple shares amid concerns emerging around >>>> delays in the iPhone 14's production from Chinese manufacturers.
Comments:
Johnny
1 hour ago
Stock is same price it was almost 2.5 years ago. Gone are the days
of
easy money.

For many companies, excessively high P/E ratios are no longer
sustainable.

Look at Tesla, whose P/E ratio has gone from 190 to 31 in one year,
and is still at least 3x what it should be.

That's due to a different problem, Musk's stupidity with Twitter.

No doubt that that has had some impact on Tesla's share price, but the reality is that the market cap of Tesla was insanely high for no
compelling reason.

I don't agree. It is by far the most innovative of the EV
manufacturers with a hell of a backlog of orders even
at the stupid price they charge for their cars.

And it looks like they may well have produced a significant
advance in the life of the battery with EVs.

And they have a far better handle on self driving cars too.

Apple's P/E is not excessive at this point, it's a little less than
Microsoft's and higher than Google's.

It's not just iPhone 14 production issues, it's that so many iPhone
owners are delaying replacing their phones waiting for the iPhone 15
with USB-C.

I don't buy that many are doing that.

Analysts disagree. Part of the reason for the slow iPhone 14 sales

There is no real slow iPhone 14 sales, it is doing better
than the other top end smartphones sales wise.

is that users are delaying upgrades.

But I don't buy the claim that they are doing that so
they can get an iphone with USB-C. Clearly the ipad
with USB-C isnt doing anything for the sales of that ipad.

On Xmas I was teasing my niece about her ancient iPhone X and she said
that she was waiting for the iPhone 15 Pro because of USB-C and the
expected smaller notch and better cameras. She's no tech expert but
she realized that it was worth waiting a year for the next super-cycle.

Not convinced that many are waiting for USB-C.

You may not be convinced, but the experts that analyze sales trends have stated that one of the reasons for iPhone 14 sales is that users are
waiting for the iPhone 15.

Like I said, the evidence doesn't support that claim.

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On 2022-12-30, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

In article <tolb7m$eq7k$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

Part of the reason for the slow iPhone 14 sales is that users are
delaying upgrades.

iphone 14 sales are anything but slow. that's just more of your usual fabricated unsubstantiated bullshit.

in another post, jr posted several links refuting your bogus claim.

the reality is that iphone 14 demand is incredibly high, even in
china.

Like a child caught in a lie, he'll just ignore this evidence that he's
full of shit and continue to double down. ; )

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On Sat, 31 Dec 2022 01:20:08 +1100, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

On 12/29/2022 9:05 PM, chop wrote:

<snip>

I don't agree. It is by far the most innovative of the EV
manufacturers with a hell of a backlog of orders even
at the stupid price they charge for their cars.

In reality, they have no backlog,

Try telling that to those waiting for their car to be delivered.

they have significantly cut production,

Only because of the chip shortage that is affecting everyone.

and are now offering large discounts.

Like hell they are.

They have been removing technology from their vehicles that is vital in achieving FSD (full self driving)

Only because of the chip shortage that is affecting everyone.

though now they are poised to bring back that technology (LiDAR) that
they removed.

Because the chip shortage isnt as bad now.

"Tesla’s $7,500 discount

That is fuck all in given the stupid price of their cars.

feels desperate, and it’s giving investors the ick" <https://techcrunch.com/2022/12/22/teslas-7500-discount-feels-desperate-and-its-giving-investors-the-ick/>

Just because someone claims something...

"Exclusive: Tesla to run reduced output in Shanghai in January, plan
shows" <https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-run-reduced-output-shanghai-january-plan-shows-2022-12-27/>

Because of the massive problem china is currently having with covid.

"Apparently, the Musk-led company will only run production for 17 days
in the first month of 2023. It will then stop between January 20 and
January 31 in what is described in the report as “an extended break for Chinese New Year”. Such an extreme ended break is not established Tesla procedure.

Hardly surprising given the massive problem with covid in China.

While no explanation was offered as to the reason behind this pause in production,

Because the explanation is obvious, the massive problem with
covid in China which has affected Apple and others as well and
Chinese New Year.

it’s being speculated that demand for new Tesla cars has dropped significantly, including in the lucrative Chinese market." <https://www.trustedreviews.com/news/tesla-stock-plummets-even-further-as-reduced-production-planned-4292053>

Speculation isn't fact.

"Tesla appears to be turning back to radar for its vehicles" <https://techcrunch.com/2022/12/07/tesla-appears-to-be-turning-back-to-radar-for-its-vehicles/>

Unsurprising.

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On 12/29/2022 9:05 PM, chop wrote:

<snip>

I don't agree. It is by far the most innovative of the EV
manufacturers with a hell of a backlog of orders even
at the stupid price they charge for their cars.

In reality, they have no backlog, they have significantly cut
production, and are now offering large discounts. They have been
removing technology from their vehicles that is vital in achieving FSD
(full self driving) though now they are poised to bring back that
technology (LiDAR) that they removed.

"Tesla’s $7,500 discount feels desperate, and it’s giving investors the ick" <https://techcrunch.com/2022/12/22/teslas-7500-discount-feels-desperate-and-its-giving-investors-the-ick/>

"Exclusive: Tesla to run reduced output in Shanghai in January, plan
shows" <https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-run-reduced-output-shanghai-january-plan-shows-2022-12-27/>

"Apparently, the Musk-led company will only run production for 17 days
in the first month of 2023. It will then stop between January 20 and
January 31 in what is described in the report as “an extended break for Chinese New Year”. Such an extreme ended break is not established Tesla procedure.

While no explanation was offered as to the reason behind this pause in production, it’s being speculated that demand for new Tesla cars has
dropped significantly, including in the lucrative Chinese market." <https://www.trustedreviews.com/news/tesla-stock-plummets-even-further-as-reduced-production-planned-4292053>

"Tesla appears to be turning back to radar for its vehicles" <https://techcrunch.com/2022/12/07/tesla-appears-to-be-turning-back-to-radar-for-its-vehicles/>

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On 12/28/22 5:52 PM, Bruce wrote:

Yahoo Finance Live examines Apple shares amid concerns emerging around
delays in the iPhone 14's production from Chinese manufacturers.

Comments:

Johnny
1 hour ago

Stock is same price it was almost 2.5 years ago. Gone are the days of
easy money.

<https://finance.yahoo.com/video/apple-stock-falls-fourth-consecutive- 204838284.html>

Well I'll be. In addition to being a techno-wizard, you're also a
financial analyst, economist and manufacturing/supply chain insider and
expert!

Thanks for posting this...I can't wait for your next tip so I can call
my broker to buy/sell some more stock ;-)

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girls live

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On 12/30/2022 7:12 AM, chop wrote:

On Sat, 31 Dec 2022 01:20:08 +1100, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

On 12/29/2022 9:05 PM, chop wrote:

<snip>

I don't agree. It is by far the most innovative of the EV
manufacturers with a hell of a backlog of orders even
at the stupid price they charge for their cars.

In reality, they have no backlog,

Try telling that to those waiting for their car to be delivered.

they have significantly cut production,

Only because of the chip shortage that is affecting everyone.

and are now offering large discounts.

Like hell they are.

Nope. "Tesla Inc. is offering US consumers $7,500 to take delivery of
its two highest-volume models before year-end, adding to indications the carmaker is struggling with demand." <https://fortune.com/2022/12/22/tesla-discount-model-y-suv-model-3-struggling-demand/>.

They have been removing technology from their vehicles that is vital
in achieving FSD (full self driving)

Only because of the chip shortage that is affecting everyone.

Nope. "Tesla to save US$114 in ultrasonic sensors per car with risky Vision-only move" <https://www.notebookcheck.net/Tesla-to-save-US-114-in-ultrasonic-sensors-per-car-with-risky-Vision-only-move.661490.0.html>.

Nope. "How Tesla pivoted to avoid the global chip shortage that could
last years" <https://electrek.co/2021/05/03/how-tesla-pivoted-avoid-global-chip-shortage/>.

though now they are poised to bring back that technology (LiDAR) that
they removed.

Because the chip shortage isnt as bad now.

Nope. "Tesla to save US$114 in ultrasonic sensors per car with risky Vision-only move" <https://www.notebookcheck.net/Tesla-to-save-US-114-in-ultrasonic-sensors-per-car-with-risky-Vision-only-move.661490.0.html>.

"Tesla’s $7,500 discount

That is fuck all in given the stupid price of their cars.

Nope. "Tesla Inc. is offering US consumers $7,500 to take delivery of
its two highest-volume models before year-end, adding to indications the carmaker is struggling with demand." <https://fortune.com/2022/12/22/tesla-discount-model-y-suv-model-3-struggling-demand/>.

feels desperate, and it’s giving investors the ick"
<https://techcrunch.com/2022/12/22/teslas-7500-discount-feels-desperate-and-its-giving-investors-the-ick/>

Just because someone claims something...

"Exclusive: Tesla to run reduced output in Shanghai in January, plan
shows"
<https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-run-reduced-output-shanghai-january-plan-shows-2022-12-27/>

Because of the massive problem china is currently having with covid.

Nope. "Tesla Inc. plans to lower production at its Shanghai factory,
according to people familiar with the matter, in the latest sign demand
in China isn’t meeting expectations." <https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-12-05/tesla-reduces-shanghai-output-in-latest-sign-of-sluggish-demand>.

Next time try to provide citations and references, it will help gain you credibility.

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On Sat, 31 Dec 2022 02:39:26 +1100, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

On 12/30/2022 7:12 AM, chop wrote:

On Sat, 31 Dec 2022 01:20:08 +1100, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote:

On 12/29/2022 9:05 PM, chop wrote:

<snip>

I don't agree. It is by far the most innovative of the EV
manufacturers with a hell of a backlog of orders even
at the stupid price they charge for their cars.

In reality, they have no backlog,

Try telling that to those waiting for their car to be delivered.

they have significantly cut production,

Only because of the chip shortage that is affecting everyone.

and are now offering large discounts.

Like hell they are.

Nope.

Fraid so.

"Tesla Inc. is offering US consumers $7,500 to take delivery of

its two highest-volume models before year-end, adding to indications the carmaker is struggling with demand." <https://fortune.com/2022/12/22/tesla-discount-model-y-suv-model-3-struggling-demand/>.

That's not a LARGE discount given the stupid price of Tesla cars.

They have been removing technology from their vehicles that is vital
in achieving FSD (full self driving)

Only because of the chip shortage that is affecting everyone.

Nope.

Fraid so.

"Tesla to save US$114 in ultrasonic sensors per car with risky

Vision-only move" <https://www.notebookcheck.net/Tesla-to-save-US-114-in-ultrasonic-sensors-per-car-with-risky-Vision-only-move.661490.0.html>.

Only because of the chip shortage that is affecting everyone.

Nope.

Fraid so.

"How Tesla pivoted to avoid the global chip shortage that could

last years" <https://electrek.co/2021/05/03/how-tesla-pivoted-avoid-global-chip-shortage/>.

Just because some individual claims something...

though now they are poised to bring back that technology (LiDAR) that
they removed.

Because the chip shortage isnt as bad now.

Nope.

Fraid so.

"Tesla to save US$114 in ultrasonic sensors per car with risky
Vision-only move" <https://www.notebookcheck.net/Tesla-to-save-US-114-in-ultrasonic-sensors-per-car-with-risky-Vision-only-move.661490.0.html>.

Record's stuck.

"Tesla’s $7,500 discount

That is fuck all in given the stupid price of their cars.

Nope.

Fraid so.

"Tesla Inc. is offering US consumers $7,500 to take delivery of its two highest-volume models before year-end, adding to indications the
carmaker is struggling with demand." <https://fortune.com/2022/12/22/tesla-discount-model-y-suv-model-3-struggling-demand/>.

That is fuck all in given the stupid price of their cars.

feels desperate, and it’s giving investors the ick"
<https://techcrunch.com/2022/12/22/teslas-7500-discount-feels-desperate-and-its-giving-investors-the-ick/>

Just because someone claims something...

"Exclusive: Tesla to run reduced output in Shanghai in January, plan
shows"
<https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-run-reduced-output-shanghai-january-plan-shows-2022-12-27/>

Because of the massive problem china is currently having with covid.

Nope.

Fraid so.

"Tesla Inc. plans to lower production at its Shanghai factory, according
to people familiar with the matter, in the latest sign demand in China isn’t meeting expectations." <https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-12-05/tesla-reduces-shanghai-output-in-latest-sign-of-sluggish-demand>.

Pity that that claim about demand is a lie.

Next time try to provide citations and references,

No point with covid and Chinese New Year.

it will help gain you credibility.

Clearly doesn't help you given such useless citations and references
which nospam keeps exposing.

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