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    From Retrograde@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 12 01:00:41 2023
    From the «76 Dodge Charger: privacy hard-on» department:
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    Title: Connected Cars Are a “Privacy Nightmare,” Mozilla Foundation Says Author: hubie
    Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2023 07:27:00 -0400
    Link: https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=23/09/07/0158223&from=rss

    Freeman[1] writes:

    https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/09/connected-cars-are-a-privacy-nightmare-mozi
    lla-foundation-says/[2]

    Today, the Mozilla Foundation published its analysis of how well automakers handle the privacy of data collected by their connected cars, and the results will be unlikely to surprise any regular reader of Ars Technica. The researchers were horrified by their findings[3], stating that "cars are the worst product category we have ever reviewed for privacy."
    [...]
    For example, Nissan's privacy policy says it can collect "sensitive personal information, including driver's license number, national or state identification number, citizenship status, immigration status, race, national origin, religious or philosophical beliefs, sexual orientation, sexual activity, precise geolocation, health diagnosis data, and genetic
    information," although it's unlikely your car knows whether you're getting
    busy in the back seat. While this might be technically possible with a car fitted with a camera-based driver-monitoring system, Nissan's privacy policy notes the data source for the quoted paragraph as "direct contact with users and Nissan employees."

    (Although more sophisticated driver-monitoring systems that claim to detect emotional states have been demonstrated at shows like CES[4], we're unaware of any that are in production.)

    Mozilla found plenty more to worry about. Eighty-four percent of the brands they analyzed said they can share your data, and 76 percent said they can sell it. And more than half say they'll share data with the government and law enforcement by request.


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    [1]: https://soylentnews.org/~Freeman/ (link)
    [2]: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/09/connected-cars-are-a-privacy-nightmare-mozilla-foundation-says/ (link)
    [3]: https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/articles/its-official-cars-are-the-worst-product-category-we-have-ever-reviewed-for-privacy/ (link)
    [4]: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/02/the-car-of-the-future-is-taking-shape-and-it-will-know-how-we-feel-about-it/ (link)
    [5]: https://soylentnews.org/submit.pl?op=viewsubsubid=60720 (link)
    [6]: https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=23/09/07/0158223&from=rss (link)



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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to fungus@amongus.com.invalid on Mon Sep 11 20:26:34 2023
    On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 01:00:41 -0000 (UTC), Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:

    Connected Cars Are a "Privacy Nightmare," Mozilla Foundation Says

    And more than half say they'll share data with the government and law >enforcement by request

    I believe all will if court approves.

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  • From Michael Trew@21:1/5 to Retrograde on Mon Sep 11 23:56:41 2023
    On 9/11/2023 9:00 PM, Retrograde wrote:

    Today, the Mozilla Foundation published its analysis of how well automakers handle the privacy of data collected by their connected cars, and the results will be unlikely to surprise any regular reader of Ars Technica. The researchers were horrified by their findings[3], stating that "cars are the worst product category we have ever reviewed for privacy."
    [...]

    Get thyself to Craigslist (or it's recent replacement FB Marketplace)
    and find a 20+ year old car for cheap. A general rule of thumb for me,
    is that the car must be older than I am. For the most part, I've stuck
    to that. Of my current 10 vehicles (oops), the newest is a 1994 model.

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  • From rdh@21:1/5 to Michael Trew on Wed Sep 13 11:14:12 2023
    On 9/11/23 22:56, Michael Trew wrote:
    A general rule of thumb for me, is that the car must be older than I
    am. For the most part, I've stuck to that.

    This gets progressively harder the older you get, and once you hit
    thirty it's pretty much impossible.

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    ~rdh

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to rdh on Wed Sep 13 11:59:22 2023
    On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 11:14:12 -0500, rdh <rdh@tilde.institute> wrote:

    This gets progressively harder the older you get, and once you hit
    thirty it's pretty much impossible.

    More expensive, if a classic vehicle.

    https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-volvo-1800s-17/

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  • From Michael Trew@21:1/5 to rdh on Wed Sep 13 18:13:51 2023
    On 9/13/2023 12:14 PM, rdh wrote:
    On 9/11/23 22:56, Michael Trew wrote:
    A general rule of thumb for me, is that the car must be older than I
    am. For the most part, I've stuck to that.

    This gets progressively harder the older you get, and once you hit
    thirty it's pretty much impossible.

    My daily driver is a '93 Geo Metro (I'm 28). So far, so good (knock on
    wood).

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