Idaho hospital closes its maternity ward, citing state's 'political
climate,' after Idaho's Republican-run government implemented strict
abortion ban, @TODAYshow rpts; all its OBGYNs left the state; women
now struggle for care: https://twitter.com/malbertnews/status/1708162651623186879

In Bonner County, Idaho, women with wanted pregnancies are struggling
to obtain health care because of the state's abortion ban. https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1708557395771732024

RE: all its OBGYNs left the state

It looks like they screwed the pooch again.

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On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 21:24:01 -0400, Retrograde
<fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:

Women will go to Oregon or Montana...

Those with the dollars will....


"Huntsberger, who was on the Idaho Health and Welfare Department's now-disbanded Maternal Mortality Review Committee, emphasized that
poverty and maternal mortality are intertwined. In Idaho, she said,
Medicaid recipients accounted for the majority of pregnancy-related
deaths in recent years. Despite the committee's recommendations to
expand postpartum Medicaid coverage to last 12 months, Idaho was one
of just three states where legislators finished this year's session
without doing so.

"A lot of those people for whom it's going to get harder, they don't
have a lot of power," Huntsberger said. "There's no microphone readily accessible to them, so many of them are going to suffer in the
shadows. "

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/womens-health/pregnant-women-struggle-find-care-idaho-abortion-ban-rcna117872

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On Mon, 02 Oct 2023 19:40:00 -0500
JAB <here@is.invalid> wrote:

RE: all its OBGYNs left the state

It looks like they screwed the pooch again.

The business world succeeds where the political world fails. Women
will go to Oregon or Montana, and local hospital lobbyists will vote in
a team more business-friendly to capitalize on the huge number of
insurance dollars being spent in neighboring states. Political
buffoonery is thus a self-defeating game.

Or so I hope, at least. Certainly enough buffoonery around. *cough*Florida*cough*.

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On Mon, 02 Oct 2023 20:36:47 -0500
JAB <here@is.invalid> wrote:

On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 21:24:01 -0400, Retrograde
<fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:

Women will go to Oregon or Montana...

Those with the dollars will....

I get your point, and it's valid, but let's be clear we are complaining
women don't have the money to drive 150 miles to another clinic. Yet
they're pregnant? How the hell are they going to pay for the expenses
of being a parent?

This is insanity on all sides.

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On 10/3/23 06:53, Retrograde wrote:

I get your point, and it's valid, but let's be clear we are complaining
women don't have the money to drive 150 miles to another clinic. Yet
they're pregnant? How the hell are they going to pay for the expenses
of being a parent?

This is insanity on all sides.

People don't always choose when they have children, and even if they're
able to make the trip, labor doesn't always last long enough to drive to
a neighboring state.

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On Tue, 3 Oct 2023 08:24:47 -0500
rdh <rdh@tilde.institute> wrote:

On 10/3/23 06:53, Retrograde wrote:

I get your point, and it's valid, but let's be clear we are complaining women don't have the money to drive 150 miles to another clinic. Yet they're pregnant? How the hell are they going to pay for the expenses
of being a parent?

This is insanity on all sides.

People don't always choose when they have children,

Do they choose when they have sex? Maybe they should, if they're
broke-as-shit in a country where abortion is essentially not
permitted. When I was young and broke I took extraordinary precaution
to not have any children. As a result I didn't have any until I'd
saved enough money to be able to handle it.

I'm tired of the eternal victimhood this country promotes. Idaho
government hasn't done the right thing. But people have to take some
individual responsibility too, especially if they're this kind of poor.

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On Tue, 3 Oct 2023 12:39:18 -0400, Retrograde
<fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:

I'm tired of the eternal victimhood this country promotes....
But people have to take some individual responsibility too,
especially if they're this kind of poor.

"In Idaho, she said, Medicaid recipients accounted for the majority of pregnancy-related deaths in recent years."


Need more of this?

Bush Administration's 'Controversial' Abstinence-Only Education
Initiative 'Catching On,' New York Times Reports

The Bush administration's "controversial" abstinence-only education
initiative is "catching on, if only because there is more federal
money available for it," the New York Times reports in a profile of
the debate surrounding federal funding of sex education.

https://kffhealthnews.org/morning-breakout/dr00009729/



Abstinence-Only Education Is a Failure

Two new papers highlight the scientific and ethical shortcomings of
the abstinence-only-until-marriage approach.


https://www.publichealth.columbia.edu/news/abstinence-only-education-failure

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On 2023-10-03, JAB <here@is.invalid> wrote:

On Tue, 3 Oct 2023 12:39:18 -0400, Retrograde
<fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:

I'm tired of the eternal victimhood this country promotes....
But people have to take some individual responsibility too,
especially if they're this kind of poor.

"In Idaho, she said, Medicaid recipients accounted for the majority of pregnancy-related deaths in recent years."

Need more of this?

Bush Administration's 'Controversial' Abstinence-Only Education
Initiative 'Catching On,' New York Times Reports
Abstinence-Only Education Is a Failure

Agreed. Totally agreed. No, don't need more of that.

In sum:
1. telling people to avoid pregnancy by avoiding sex doesn't work
2. poor people keep getting knocked up
3. we've removed abortion as an option
4. these women can't afford to go elsewhere for prenatal care

4. Looks to me like:
a. many, impoverished children and women who die in childbirth
b. wards of the state
c. something horrible like a govt that mandates forced sterilizations

but not:
d. a government that taxes the rich to provide services to the poor
e. any additional responsibility by the men that knock these women up

You got any ideas? Starting to look like we're working overtime to
create a banana republic tin pot dictatorship mini-Afghanistan.

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On Wed, 4 Oct 2023 02:53:20 -0000 (UTC), Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:

2. poor people keep getting knocked up

For various reasons which I have not explored. Keeping him 'happy'
sex wise may be one reason...maybe due to not being able to afford the pill/etc.

4. these women can't afford to go elsewhere for prenatal care
a. many, impoverished children and women who die in childbirth

Republican eugenics program.

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On Wed, 4 Oct 2023 02:53:20 -0000 (UTC), Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:

a. many, impoverished children and women who die in childbirth

Sidebar

A grim trend among Americans without college degrees exposes an
enormous failure

The life expectancy gap between working class and more educated
Americans is widening.

When people talk about the difference between the haves and the
have-nots, they're typically thinking about wealth. But in America
there's another metric that divides the two: longevity.

As Princeton economists Anne Case and Angus Deaton show in their new
research, the gulf in life expectancy between people with and without
a college degree has widened dramatically since the 1990s. As of the
end of 2021, there was a shocking 8.5-year age gap between the two
cohorts, with the life span of Americans without a college degree
trending sharply downward in recent years.

It is this grim trend of shortening life expectancy among Americans
without college degrees that explains why the U.S.'s mortality rate is
a stark outlier among rich nations, far lower than countries such as
Japan and Switzerland. "If all Americans had the life expectancy of
those who are college educated, the United States would have been one
of the best performers among the rich countries in terms of life
expectancy, not the worst," wrote Case and Deaton in a recent op-ed
explaining their findings in The New York Times. "It is the experience
of those without college degrees that accounts for America's failure."

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/college-degree-life-expectancy-rcna118571

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On 10/3/2023 12:39 PM, Retrograde wrote:

On Tue, 3 Oct 2023 08:24:47 -0500
rdh<rdh@tilde.institute> wrote:

People don't always choose when they have children,

Do they choose when they have sex? Maybe they should, if they're broke-as-shit in a country where abortion is essentially not
permitted.

BINGO! If you aren't ready for the possibility of children, and don't
have a plan if one were to come about, then DON'T have sexual relations;
Period. If you're mature enough for the former, you also need to be
mature enough for the latter possibility.

When I was young and broke I took extraordinary precaution
to not have any children. As a result I didn't have any until I'd
saved enough money to be able to handle it.

People these days aren't frugal enough. If I had a group of young
children (I don't; just one), I would truly cook like it's the great depression. Pot of soup or noodles to go around. People today prefer
take-out food to actual cooking, and they pay quite a premium for it.

I'm tired of the eternal victimhood this country promotes. Idaho
government hasn't done the right thing. But people have to take some individual responsibility too, especially if they're this kind of poor.

They should have plenty of potatoes in Idaho to feed them ;)

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On 10/4/2023 6:18 AM, JAB wrote:

On Wed, 4 Oct 2023 02:53:20 -0000 (UTC), Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:

2. poor people keep getting knocked up

For various reasons which I have not explored. Keeping him 'happy'
sex wise may be one reason...maybe due to not being able to afford the pill/etc.

Story time from someone who, within the past decade or two, grew up in a
poor Appalachian community. There were kids who worked to succeed, move
to college, etc... But the overwhelming number of kids with whom I
graduated (well, some of them didn't finish school), were content to get knocked up as teenagers and move into government housing, like the
generation before them. The jobs in my town dried up with our
grandparent's generation. The potteries and mills are long-gone.

Our current government and policies encourage generation after
generation of welfare families. I own my house, but this evening, as I
do every Friday, I picked up my daughter from the her mother's house, in
a housing project. A woman stopped me, going door to door, giving out
"free tablets and internet connections". I wanted to tell her that I
work for a living and my tax dollars are funding the stuff they are
giving these welfare families... But instead, I politely declined, and
went on about my day.

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On Fri, 06 Oct 2023 17:46:56 -0400, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:

But the overwhelming number of kids with whom I
graduated (well, some of them didn't finish school), were content to get >knocked up as teenagers and move into government housing, like the
generation before them.

Quite a generalization....as I recall, there were females wanting to
get knocked up to escape parental 'control.' But, their expectations
were not in sync with reality.

As one doctor said, marriage should not happen until a person's 30th
birthday. In other words, younger ones don't have their shit
together.

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