Death of Atlanta deacon who was electrically shocked during arrest
ruled a homicide
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Johnny Hollman became unresponsive while being arrested after a minor
car crash. The officer shocked Hollman with an electrical stun gun and handcuffed him after Hollman refused to sign a traffic ticket.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/johnny-hollman-atlanta-police-department-homicide/
RE: refused to sign a traffic ticket
Second time I've heard of a Taser being used when someone does not
sign the ticket.
This shows a lack of effective training for LEOs.
On Mon, 09 Oct 2023 11:13:43 -0500
JAB <here@is.invalid> wrote:
RE: refused to sign a traffic ticket Second time I've heard of a
Taser being used when someone does not sign the ticket. This shows a
lack of effective training for LEOs.
Fear the State.
Death of Atlanta deacon who was electrically shocked during arrest
ruled a homicide
...
...
Johnny Hollman became unresponsive while being arrested after a minor
car crash. The officer shocked Hollman with an electrical stun gun and handcuffed him after Hollman refused to sign a traffic ticket.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/johnny-hollman-atlanta-police-department-homicide/
RE: refused to sign a traffic ticket
Second time I've heard of a Taser being used when someone does not
sign the ticket.
This shows a lack of effective training for LEOs.
Seems like refusing to sign the ticket is just escalating
the tension and setting up a confrontation, no?
IMO more like a lack of effective selection.
Fair enough. But there's usually an appeal process where you can
formally dispute the traffic ticket using an established channel. Seems
like refusing to sign the ticket is just escalating the tension and
setting up a confrontation, no?
IMO more like a lack of effective selection. Some people have an "I'm the >boss" attitude and should never be accepted as an LEO.
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Cure got out of the car at the deputy's request and complied with
commands "until learning that he was under arrest," the GBI said.
He refused to comply with the deputy's requests after that,
It's not clear what precipitated the traffic stop or on what grounds
Cure was being placed under arrest.
Regardless, had he
complied with the requests, he'd still be alive.
On 10/17/2023 7:13 PM, JAB wrote:
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Cure got out of the car at the deputy's request and complied with
commands "until learning that he was under arrest," the GBI said.
He refused to comply with the deputy's requests after that,
It's not clear what precipitated the traffic stop or on what grounds
Cure was being placed under arrest.
It certainly could be ruled excessive force. Regardless, had he
complied with the requests, he'd still be alive. Play stupid games, and
win stupid prizes.
Regardless.....
On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 21:24:23 -0400, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
Regardless.....
Where I live, a person remains in their vehicle, and the officer
writes up a ticket.
If Cure was "exercising" his first amendment right, this may have
ticked off the officer.
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It's not clear what precipitated the traffic stop or on what grounds
Cure was being placed under arrest.
Where I live, a person remains in their vehicle, and the officerThat isn't true everywhere.
writes up a ticket.
Probably "driving while Black" in that part of the country.
On Wed, 18 Oct 2023 17:01:58 -0500, ErnieB <ernie-baresch@neb.rr.com>
wrote:
Where I live, a person remains in their vehicle, and the officerThat isn't true everywhere.
writes up a ticket.
Safety guidelines have been established....
Routine Stops, Second Edition
NCJ Number 72541
Date Published 1980
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The routine traffic stop procedure includes witnessing the violation, preparation for stop, parking the patrol vehicle, approaching the
stopped vehicle, position at the violator's vehicle, writing the
citation or performing a records check, and what to do if the violator
gets out. https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/routine-stops-second-edition
Probably "driving while Black" in that part of the country.
Maybe driving a new Cadillac, so the LEO assumed something wasn't right....stereotyping, in other words.
So the deputy is probably a little nervous, and racist, but
"in control of each situation" until he wasn't.
On Wed, 18 Oct 2023 21:52:09 -0500, ErnieB <ernie-baresch@neb.rr.com>
wrote:
So the deputy is probably a little nervous, and racist, but
"in control of each situation" until he wasn't.
High caffeine drinks affect body aspects (insomnia, nervousness, restlessness, nausea, increased heart rate, and other side effects),
but I'm not aware of research addressing the mental aspects.
I would suspect insomnia, irritability, and nervousness would affect a person's mental ability.
Locally, I've seen LEOs drinking these energy-shot "drinks" while on
duty. Nationwide, it would be interesting to know how much these LEOs
are consuming.
More speculation.
More speculation.
On Fri, 20 Oct 2023 14:37:12 -0500, ErnieB <ernie-baresch@neb.rr.com>
wrote:
More speculation.
Consider amphetamine abuse....well documented. ================================
Although consumption of low to moderate doses of caffeine is generally
safe, an increasing number of clinical studies are showing that some
caffeine users become dependent on the drug and are unable to reduce consumption despite knowledge of recurrent health problems associated
with continued use. Thus, the World Health Organization and some
health care professionals recognize caffeine dependence as a clinical disorder.
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Studies suggest that dopamine release in the nucleus accumbens shell
may be a specific neuropharmacological mechanism underlying the
addictive potential of caffeine.29-32 Notably, dopamine release in
this brain region is also caused by other drugs of dependence,
including amphetamines and cocaine.33,34
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3777290/
....draw your own conclusions.
He was tased twice but still didn't quit fighting
so the deputy shot him
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