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  • Hamas could end this war today

    From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 5 21:15:30 2023
    Michael McFaul @McFaul

    Hamas could end this war today by giving up power in Gaza and
    releasing the hostages. They won't of course. But they could, and
    thereby save many lives and give new momentum to Palestinian
    sovereignty. But they won't.

    https://twitter.com/McFaul/status/1720939383896101232

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  • From Retrograde@21:1/5 to JAB on Mon Nov 6 19:37:52 2023
    On 2023-11-06, JAB <here@is.invalid> wrote:
    Michael McFaul @McFaul

    Hamas could end this war today by giving up power in Gaza and
    releasing the hostages. They won't of course. But they could, and
    thereby save many lives and give new momentum to Palestinian
    sovereignty. But they won't.

    https://twitter.com/McFaul/status/1720939383896101232

    True. As for saving lives, they don't give a shit. They are operating
    from within refugee centers and hospitals, betting the West won't dare
    bomb them for fear of hitting civilians. A callous approach to battle
    on Hamas' behalf. Let's destroy them and give the Palestinian people
    a chance for better leadership.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to fungus@amongus.com.invalid on Mon Nov 6 19:59:51 2023
    On Mon, 6 Nov 2023 19:37:52 -0000 (UTC), Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:

    As for saving lives, they don't give a shit.

    Hamas (is an acronym for Islamic Resistance Movement) apparently
    perceives their behavior is OK with their religion.

    Palestinians there are opposed to them, but Hamas won't allow
    elections...power trippers....who want Palestinians to conform to
    their ways.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to fungus@amongus.com.invalid on Tue Nov 7 21:00:15 2023
    On Mon, 6 Nov 2023 19:37:52 -0000 (UTC), Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:

    As for saving lives, they don't give a shit.

    7:47 min vid via CNN
    Nov 6, 2023

    Hamas - "No nation is liberated without sacrifices"

    How Hamas frames the civilian casualties of war in Gaza https://twitter.com/TheLeadCNN/status/1721693050940924371

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  • From rdh@21:1/5 to JAB on Wed Nov 8 09:18:46 2023
    On 11/7/23 21:00, JAB wrote:
    On Mon, 6 Nov 2023 19:37:52 -0000 (UTC), Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:

    As for saving lives, they don't give a shit.

    7:47 min vid via CNN
    Nov 6, 2023

    Hamas - "No nation is liberated without sacrifices"

    How Hamas frames the civilian casualties of war in Gaza https://twitter.com/TheLeadCNN/status/1721693050940924371

    And how does Israel feel about the civilian casualties?

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to rdh on Thu Nov 9 05:50:46 2023
    On Wed, 8 Nov 2023 09:18:46 -0600, rdh <rdh@tilde.institute> wrote:

    7:47 min vid via CNN
    Nov 6, 2023

    Hamas - "No nation is liberated without sacrifices"

    How Hamas frames the civilian casualties of war in Gaza
    https://twitter.com/TheLeadCNN/status/1721693050940924371

    And how does Israel feel about the civilian casualties?

    One could examine previous history that details the Kingdom of Israel
    being conquered by others (Neo-Assyrian Empire, Pompey, Ottoman
    Empire), but to my awareness, Jews have not been hostile to others,
    while others (States/Churches) have been hostile to them.

    https://www.montana.edu/historybug/yersiniaessays/pariera-dinkins.html

    Israel would like to eliminate Hamas, but I'm not aware of them
    wanting to eliminate "peaceful" Palestinians.

    Civilian Casualties - They have attempted to reduce "collateral
    damage," which suggests they are "pro life."

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  • From rdh@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 9 08:03:36 2023
    My dude, this is a complicated issue, and Hamas is definitely a
    terrorist organization, but you need to stop pretending Israel is
    completely blameless here. Apartheid is always, *ALWAYS* bad.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to rdh on Thu Nov 9 12:28:19 2023
    On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 08:03:36 -0600, rdh <rdh@tilde.institute> wrote:

    but you need to stop pretending Israel is
    completely blameless here

    An assumption on your part....I hope your logic does not suggest the
    US was to blame for the September 11 attack.

    Keep in mind,

    1. Islamists have killed 167,096 people since 1979 https://www.fondapol.org/en/in-media/islamists-have-killed-167096-people-since-1979-most-of-them-were-muslims/

    2. Have about 170 million people been killed in the name of Allah?
    ....60 million Christians, 80 million Hindus, 10 million Buddhists and
    120 million Africans of varying religions.... https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/52936/have-about-170-million-people-been-killed-in-the-name-of-allah

    It seems them people have a historical track record of kill, kill,
    and kill.

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  • From Retrograde@21:1/5 to rdh on Sun Nov 12 17:24:44 2023
    On 2023-11-09, rdh <rdh@tilde.institute> wrote:
    My dude, this is a complicated issue, and Hamas is definitely a
    terrorist organization, but you need to stop pretending Israel is
    completely blameless here. Apartheid is always, *ALWAYS* bad.

    100% agree. No one is blameless in this conflict, not even the US.

    I predict a full-on Mideast conflagration for a year or two, until
    everyone runs out of money and ammunition (while solving nothing).

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  • From Kerr-Mudd, John@21:1/5 to Retrograde on Sun Nov 12 20:04:21 2023
    On Sun, 12 Nov 2023 17:24:44 -0000 (UTC)
    Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:

    On 2023-11-09, rdh <rdh@tilde.institute> wrote:
    My dude, this is a complicated issue, and Hamas is definitely a
    terrorist organization, but you need to stop pretending Israel is completely blameless here. Apartheid is always, *ALWAYS* bad.

    100% agree. No one is blameless in this conflict, not even the US.

    Especially the US, who like to keep the pot boiling. It's used it's veto
    on many rUN resolutions condemning Israeli transgressions over the years.

    I predict a full-on Mideast conflagration for a year or two, until
    everyone runs out of money and ammunition (while solving nothing).

    I thought you meant in the US; MidEast v MidWest (AIUI the farmers
    daughters there are great, if not up to Californian standard.)


    --
    Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to admin@127.0.0.1 on Sun Nov 12 19:20:05 2023
    On Sun, 12 Nov 2023 20:04:21 +0000, "Kerr-Mudd, John"
    <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:

    Especially the US....used it's veto...Israeli transgressions

    Israel has increased its land area, but I'd have to take a deep dive
    on this topic to fully understand, from a historical perspective. I
    suspect many countries are guilty of this same behavior.

    UN can behave in a political way, for instance,

    "While France, Germany, Sweden and other EU states are expected to
    support most of the estimated 15 resolutions to be adopted against
    Israel by December, the same European nations have failed to introduce
    a single UNGA resolution on the human rights situation in China,
    Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, Cuba, Turkey, Pakistan, Vietnam, Algeria, or
    on 175 other countries," said Neuer. "Where is their concern for
    international law and human rights?" https://unwatch.org/u-n-condemns-israel-8-times-rest-of-world-0/ ==========================================

    UN is filled with noodleheads whose ideations are off the charts.

    1. Hamas wants to eliminate Israel/Jews

    So, what is the UN solution...cease fire? Then Hamas regroups, and
    does it again.

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  • From Retrograde@21:1/5 to John" on Mon Nov 13 17:52:30 2023
    On Sun, 12 Nov 2023 20:04:21 +0000
    "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:

    On Sun, 12 Nov 2023 17:24:44 -0000 (UTC)
    Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:

    On 2023-11-09, rdh <rdh@tilde.institute> wrote:
    My dude, this is a complicated issue, and Hamas is definitely a
    terrorist organization, but you need to stop pretending Israel is completely blameless here. Apartheid is always, *ALWAYS* bad.

    100% agree. No one is blameless in this conflict, not even the US.

    Especially the US, who like to keep the pot boiling. It's used it's veto
    on many rUN resolutions condemning Israeli transgressions over the years.

    The American politician that criticizes Israel quickly loses the
    American Jewish vote and is out. It's a political death sentence.
    That doesn't excuse the behavior though, and you are right, US has
    quite relentlessly backed bad behavior.

    My prediction for a year-long conflagration remains in place.

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